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Ibogaine in Star Jasmine????

Migrated topic.
YES, thank you for making this post! I didn't want to do it.
It is being discussed in a thread that i cannot post in yet.

This plant is growing all over the place, here in the southeast!

"QUOTE The meddling monk:
The chinese Star Jasmine is also interesting (although in a different family to other jasmines) .

Quote:


"In essence, 50 kg of apparently fresh leaves and stems were extracted and purified to obtain 20 grams of a mixture of alkaloids, a major one of which was ibogaine."


"(There are) four indole alkaloids, namely ibogaine, tabernaemontanine, vobasine, and voacangine-7-hydroxyindolenine, (that) have been isolated (in Star Jasmine)."

Pharmacology
The main alkaloid found in the leaves and stems of Trachelospermum jasminoides is ibogaine, along with tabernaemontanine, vobasine and voacangine-7-hydroxyindolenine (this last one is possibly an extraction artefact). The total alkaloid content is about 0.04%, but no percentages were given for the separate alkaloids. There is at least one anecdotal reference of a researcher ingesting a quantity of seeds of this species, resulting in strong effects (no more details than that known). We have never seen this plant seed though.

Interesting.

BTW - all of those alkaloids are good stuff.


Read more: drugsforum star jasmine disscussion


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The main alkaloid found in the leaves and stems of Trachelospermum jasminoides is ibogaine, along with tabernaemontanine, vobasine and voacangine-7-hydroxyindolenine (this last one is possibly an extraction artefact). The total alkaloid content is about 0.04%, but no percentages were given for the separate alkaloids. There is at least one anecdotal reference of a researcher ingesting a quantity of seeds of this species, resulting in strong effects (no more details than that known).

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Small amounts of ibogaine are found in Voacanga Africana root bark.
:Reported to contain voacangine (carbomethoxy-ibogaine), ibogamin, plus many other unidentified alkaloids in the root & trunk bark, leaves and seeds. The total alkaloid fraction is said to be slightly toxic, acting as CNS depressants & hypotensives
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SOURCE
Star Jasmine, also known as Chinese Star Jasmine, Confederate Jasmine, or Trachelospermum Jasminoides. This plant is completely legal in the United States and is often grown and used for its appealing fragrance. It is even reportedly easy to grow. The problem, as there always is, is that the Ibogaine alkaloid content is very small; Shaman Australis (below) puts it at around 0.04%

Reprinted from Entheogen.com:

Ibogaine from Trachelospermum jasminoides

(Star Jasmine)

"Leaves and stems (50 kg) were dried in the shade and extracted with ethanol. The crude alcoholic extracts were concentrated and partitioned between 10% hydrochloric acid and chloroform (pH 1). The chloroform layer was dried with anhydrous sodium sulfate and concentrated to a gum (25 g, F1). The aqueous acidic layer was basified with aqueous ammonia and extracted into chloroform at various pH values (5, 7, 9, and 11). The fraction obtained at pH-5 (20 g, F2) was found to contain major alkaloids. We have recently reported five indole alkaloids from this plant (2)."

"The crude alkaloidal fraction (F1, 25 g) was subjected to flash chromatography. [...] The alkaloid isolated was identified as voacangine-7-hydroxyindolenine by comparison of its spectral data with those reported in the literature (3). [...] Voacangine-7-hydroxyindolenine may have been formed by air oxidation during the extraction and isolation process."

"Fraction F2 (20 g) was also loaded on a silica column (750 g) and was eluted with increasing polarities of mixtures of petroleum ether, chloroform, ethyl acetate, and methanol." "The fraction obtained on elution with chloroform:ethyl acetate (3:1) consisted of a mixture of four alkaloids. This fraction was subjected to a flash chromatography which was eluted with increasing polarities of mixtures of petroleum ether in acetone. The fraction obtained on elution with 70% petroleum ether in acetone was found to contain two major alkaloids. These alkaloids were separated by preparative TLC on silica gel (petroleum ether:acetone:ammonia, 6:3.95:0.05). The faster moving alkaloid was identified as ibogaine by comparison of its spectral data with those reported in the literature (7) while the slower moving alkaloid was identified as tabernaemontanine (8)."

"Further elution of the same column with 60% petroleum ether in acetone afforded another alkaloid which was further purified by preparative TLC on silica gel (petroleum ether:acetone:ammonia, 1:1:0

Editor's Notes: The above extraction my be incomplete - this is the most complete form I could find for it, though - please do not attempt until further research is completed.

Reprinted from Shaman Australis Botanicals:

Botanical information
An evergreen vine, it grows to a height of 7m. The stem is woody and branching; the leaves are green, ovate-acuminate and thick; the flowers are white, star shaped, fragrant , 5 petalled and invurving, occurring in terminal clusters.
A native of S China, it is adaptable to most soils in an open, sunny position, and is frost resistant but drought tender.
Propagation is by cuttings taken in spring.

Traditional uses
None reported.

Pharmacology
The main alkaloid found in the leaves and stems of Trachelospermum jasminoides is ibogaine, along with tabernaemontanine, vobasine and voacangine-7-hydroxyindolenine (this last one is possibly an extraction artefact). The total alkaloid content is about 0.04%, but no percentages were given for the separate alkaloids. There is at least one anecdotal reference of a researcher ingesting a quantity of seeds of this species, resulting in strong effects (no more details than that known). We have never seen this plant seed though.

FURTHER INFO ON FORUMS:
Lycaeum extraction tek
Lyceaum iboga index
Micotopia
eboka
BlueLight
iboga tribe.net

One more thing that is just kindof curious.. i was walking around outside one night when i
noticed that sweet flowery smell of DMT, and found it was coming from all the star jasmine.
 
I have looked into this a couple times over the last 2 years and talked to some people, and it seems like it is a really low % in the plant and mostly made up of other iboga alkaloids and there is issues with possible toxicity.

Still I want to get a plant and I wonder about 10x leaf extracts added to changa or something.
 
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Iboga: The Visionary Root of African Shamanism by Vicent Ravalec, Mellendi, and Agnès Paicheler

Erowid review

This book has a chapter on plants containing ibogain and mentions Star Jasmine - if I remember correctly. It also mentions a few other plants as well.
 
TO me it looks like this is the same plant that is called Tabernaemontana sananho in other threads here. There are a ton of confusion about Sananho/Sanango and I guess I'm adding to it now, or not.

Vendors are charging an arm and a leg for T Sananho so it would be interesting to know if these are actually the same plant as the star jasmine seems abundant.
 
From The Garden of Eden:

Trachelospermum asiaticum (Sieb. et Zucc.) Nakai (T. asiaticum
var. brevisepalum (C.K. Schneid.) Tsiang; T. divaricatum var. brevisepalum C.K. Schneid.; T. foetidum (Matsum. et Nakai) Nakai; T. gracilipes Hook. f.; T. jasminoides ssp. foetidum Matsum. et Nakai; T. lanyuense C.E. Chang; T. siamense Craib; Malouetia asiatica Sieb. et Zucc.; Melodinus cavaleriei H. Lév.) – luo shi teng, teikakazura
Trachelospermum jasminoides (Lindl.) Lem. (T. adnascens Hance; T. divaricatum Thunb.; Rhynchospermum jasminoides Lindl.) – Chinese star jasmine, star jasmine, confederate jasmine, luo shi teng
The dried, leafy stem of ‘luo shi teng’ [usually T. jasminoides, or T. asi- aticum] is used in TCM in a dose of 5-10g, to relax rigid muscles, stop bleeding, and restore the normal flow of vital energy. It also acts as a tonic, analgesic and emmenagogue (Huang 1993; Keys 1976). The plant is used in Indian and Pakistani folk medicine to treat rheumatism, wounds, gonorrhoea, sciatica, carcinomas and viper bites; the seeds have haemostatic and cardiotonic properties (Rahman et al. 1987). In India, T. fragrans [‘dudhi’] is used as a substitute for ‘dita’, Alstonia scholaris (Nadkarni 1976).
Bioassays of a crude T. asiaticum [leaves and stems] extract, which was obtained in low yield, showed mild empathogenic or stimulant activ- ity. At the dose that filled one ‘vegicap’, the extract showed empathogen- ic activity similar to low-dose ibogaine. Variation existed between different batches, with some appearing inactive, and others becoming so after a few days, possibly due to the auto-oxidation that is common in iboga alkaloids (theobromus pers. comm.). An extract of T. jasminoides [dose not stated] produced effects which were described as “quite psychedelic”, but also “awful” – disturbing fluctuations in blood pressure were noted, as well as disturbed vision and moments of unconsciousness. Several days were re- quired before the psychonaut felt normal again. Smaller doses of the same extract had a mild and pleasant effect (Torsten pers. comm.).
T. asiaticum leaves and stems have yielded pregnane glycosides, in- cluding teikaside A [0.002%] as a major component, as well as lignans (Abe & Yamauchi 1981). T. asiaticum var. intermedium stems have yield- ed scopoletin, vanillic acid, and the lignans arctigenin, matairesinol, tra- chelogenin, nortrachelogenin and (2R,3R)2-4”-OH-3”-MeO-benzyl-3- 3’,4’,5’-trimethoxybenzyl-butyrolactone (Nishibe et al. 1981). Neither of these plants seems to have been analysed for alkaloids, though they poten- tially contain alkaloids similar to those found in T. jasminoides.
T. jasminoides has been found to yield several indole alkaloids [0.09% from leaves and stems], consisting of ibogaine, tabernaemontanine, vobasi- ne and voacangine-7-OH-indolenine (Rahman et al. 1988); another study found instead coronaridine, voacangine, apparicine, conoflorine and 19- epi-voacangarine [see also Tabernaemontana, Voacanga] (Rahman et al. 1987). The herb has also yielded glycosides and other compounds – arctiin, dambonitol, tracheloside, nortracheloside, matairesinoside, matairesinol-4,4’-di-O--D-glucopyranoside, nortrachelogenin-4,4’-di- O--D-glucopyranoside and arctigenin-4’--gentiobioside (Buckingham et al. ed. 1994; Huang 1993; Nishibe et al. 1971b).
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Mandukeya said:
TO me it looks like this is the same plant that is called Tabernaemontana sananho in other threads here. There are a ton of confusion about Sananho/Sanango and I guess I'm adding to it now, or not.

Vendors are charging an arm and a leg for T Sananho so it would be interesting to know if these are actually the same plant as the star jasmine seems abundant.
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Tabernaemontana sananho is not the same as trachelospermum jasminoides. Anyways, tabernaemontana divaricata from India and tabernaemontana undulata (becchete) are both used as an eye tonic.....There is also other (unrelated-non-dogbane) plants that are called "sanango" (chiric sanango)
 
Wow ! Coll find in post #4

Because of the OP asking I dont want to withhold a translation :D The really relevant part is this:

"Zur Giftigkeit:
Im Sternjasmin wurden diverse Alkaloide nachgewiesen, unter anderem Ibogain. Ibogain wird eine halluzinogene Wirkung nachgesagt, die der, des in der Steppenraute (Peganum harmala) vorkommenden Harmalins ähnelt."

It says:

"Regarding Toxicity:
The presence of different alkaloids, inogaine amongst them, has been veryfied. A halluzinogen effect, that resembles that of the harmine present in Peganum Harmala, is attributed to ibogaine.

So basically yes accodring to the source cited it is present in star jasmine - sadly no information on potency here.

Several plants known to contain ibogaine voacangine voacamine ... are members of Apocynaceae, in fact as of now I can not think of a plant containing one of theese that is no Apocynacea, but to be sure about this I would first have to crack my memory nut on this and even then - no one can ever be sure :)
 
First experiment :cry: failed.
i tried acid/base/NaPhthaS, on i guess about ~kilo of leaves (enough to almost fill walmart bag).
Anyone interested in growing some seeds here is a star jasmine give-away, it's almost finished.
The vines had been exposed to cold weather, and so had changed from dark-green to dark-red.

i should have de-fatted before basing, then extracting!

i ended up with a used tea layer, fatty layer, and clear naptha layer.

Separate the fatty from the naptha and separated those two, and evaporated them.
The clear naptha evaporated to nothing, and the fats left a thick, brown, sticky, stuff.

Still have the fats extract, but not sure why, a re-extract if possible.

Wondering now if methanol extract would do the trick?
 
So I got 2 plants. Immediately fell in love with them. Great guys. Smoked half a fresh leaf and barely anything, same with stem bark. But I feel there is something to it and will dry it and try again.

To collect all information here because this thread already has quite a lot of info.

From this thread

Smell of Jasmine as strong as Valium

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/7881819/Smell-of-jasmine-as-calming-as-valium.html I figured this would be of interest to this community. What do you all make of these findings?
forum.dmt-nexus.me forum.dmt-nexus.me

"There is at least one anecdotal reference of a researcher ingesting a quantity of seeds of this species, resulting in strong effects (no more details than that known)."

Trying to find who is Torsten because he is mentioned in Garden of Eden and found this forum.

Trachelospermum jasminoides

I have just been reading about some of the interesting things found in Chinese Star Jasmine, and I was wondering how one would go about refining/preparing something from this plant, and then how to take it? Not that I would ever do anything as naughty as that ;-)
www.shaman-australis.com

This one is funny. Guy is a true shaman for dreaming about consuming plants😂

"hope the lack of answers doesnt reflect a lack of interest in this plant.
a friend tells me of a dream of his in which he dried and smoked a half,and later a whole leaf.he thought this would be like social level iboga use,aphrodesiac etc.pleasant calm stimulant at this dose.wards off sleep.bit of fuzzy headacheness maybe only sign of any toxicity.slightly harsh smoke,so he scraped the bark off[having no real access to root material] the stem,and dried it.abit stronger,abit less harsh,prefered.one possible side effect,after consuming daily for a month or so he lost all 'satisfaction' and interest in smoking tobacco.he walked away from a 25year habit with no effort,after 5 failed attempts in the previous 2 years.he was depressed for about 3 months after and found the bark to help.he had not had bark for aweek before giving up,only noticing the link later.
sorry you and rk had to wait so long for this but the guy can be hard to find.as you would expect with someone who dreams such things.
t s t ."

"my friend lost one one of his starj to no known reason.however it gave him a chance to try the roots which showed no signs of damage.previous technique used.effects qqualitativly and quantitativly superior!!!
very clear effect,no sign of 'fuzzy headacheness'..
t s t . "

"Torsten, you should correct your webpage, in that it is highly likely that your "unknown researcher" consuming seeds anecdote is almost positively false. The seeds of star jasmine are so small they look like grass-seeds, and they have a big hairy tuft on the end. Tryptameanie should be able to confirm this, and I can send you some myself for visual inspection."

"talked to a gnome yesterday who said he placed about a cup of sj dried bark in a blender,covered with vinegar,blended a lot,let sit 24hrs,poured off liquid,reduced liquid to sticky red brown substance.he got noticable effects from about a quater t spoon orally,though not as strong as smoking the bark.slight fuzzyness and sort of mild headachey feeling was largely sorted by a third cone of brug,which then produced a short period of euphoria,definately increased the effect too.overall the effects build slowly,the dose could have been about double.a sort of stimulation with mild psychedelic visual effects,
only seemed to last a few hours.
t s t ."

:huh:

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www.shaman-australis.com

So we know that whole plant is maybe psychoactive on it's own, and there is a question about it's seeds.

Root bark should be best, then stem bark, and leaves the worst. Me personally didn't notice difference between stem bark and leaves.

Maybe it can be made more active in combination with harmalas or weed?

Upon smoking I felt a bit euphoria, clearheaded, and everything looking a bit weird for some short time. Possibly placebo, after this I felt as if I smoked weed, that internal dialogue and focus on my thoughts is greater outside world is not in focus.
Trying to talk to plant spirit, seemed that it lives in some realm of white/yellow light, and a lot of green like plants etc simmilar to leaves of it. It said it liked dogs or is in association with them. Funny because this plant kills dogs I think? 😂

Idk but I believe that this plant has potential and will try roots.
 
Incredible. Although I'm not sure others will find it so pleasant.
One small root wide as tootpick and around 2-3cm long. Bark scraped off with knife mixed with tobacco and smoked. Definitely some effects.

First to notice was tingling in head, then in arms. Lightheadedness. By the end of cigarette I felt a bit nauseous idk if from whatever it is in plant, harsh smoke or not eating normal meal.

Went to bed to check for cev. No cevs.
Sometimes I try astral projection although rarely. In 20minutes or so without even trying I came to that phase when your whole body is tingling and I saw myself holding my phone and researching plants. When I became aware of the situation it subsided and I saw a plant similar to star jasmine with moonlight reflecting on it leaves.

At the beginning I tried to talk with plant spirit. One of the first things I saw were hunting dogs hunting something, running somewhere. Then chinese people going after them. This were first internal images and would come up rarely but after I asked to see more and prayed to God or plant idk, it started much stronger.

Was shown a dog mouth salivating while it ate the root of this plant.
Some other images, then looking at phone and plant on moonlight and after that tried to do climbing rope technique for AP.
Reached some plateau and found a small star jasmine plant, knife, book and pipe.

Someone approach 3meters high told me he was my guide and what to do. After that he left and told me thats basically end of this experience.

Tinnitus was present from the beginning and I think is subsiding now after hour and a half.

How much off this is because I'm a bit sleep deprived I don't know. Also the dog thing may be because I call it my sananho. Once I was high with weed and started automatic writing this produced a recepie for my sananho and my interest in this plant.

Base of the recepie is star jasmine and syrian rue with cannabis and veronica persica or some other veronica.

It felt a little bit toxic mainly due to tinnitus. And I think that further experiments should be in spring or summer. But maybe I boil 30cm of vine and try that.

There is definitely something in this plant and I'm amazed that such small amount of root had some effects even if half of that is imagined. After all of this I fill empowered.

The moonlight thing is interesting. Maybe try the plant on full moon at night?
 
Volshebnik said:
Maybe it can be made more active in combination with harmalas
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I'd be very cautious about that, since it could cause serotonin syndrome.
Volshebnik said:
The moonlight thing is interesting. Maybe try the plant on full moon at night?
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Full moon was on Mon 13th Jan 2025 at 22:53 UCT, so if this was a very recent experience you may have attuned to that?

I've had this one on my radar for years and I'm a bit annoyed that I didn't buy a plant or two already over a decade ago when they were right in front of me. 😑

Interesting research, please proceed with caution! Remember, it's not just ibogaine that you're dealing with:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Alkaloids from Trachelospermum jasminoides - PubMed

Alkaloids from Trachelospermum jasminoides
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Phytochemistry, Pharmacology and Traditional Uses of Plants from the Genus Trachelospermum L - PMC

This paper is intended to review advances in the botanical, phytochemical, traditional uses and pharmacological studies of the genus Trachelospermum. Until now, 138 chemical constituents have been isolated and characterized from these plants, ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Indole Alkaloids from Trachelospermum jasminoides - PubMed

The leaves and stems of T. JASMINOIDES have been found to contain indole alkaloids. Five indole alkaloids, coronaridine, voacangine, apparicine, conoflorine, and 19-epi-voacangarine have been isolated. The (13)C-NMR spectra of apparicine and 19-epi-voacangarine are also reported.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Chemical constituents of Trachelospermum jasminoides - PubMed

Ten compounds, comprising a new C(8) normonoterpenoid glycoside, trachelinoside (1), structurally as 4-(2-O-beta-D-glucopyranosyl)-hydroxyethyl-5,5-dimethyldihydrofuran-2(3H)-one, together with nine known compounds, were isolated from the 85% ethanol extract of the vines and leaves of...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
All experiments are from today. Will be cautious with syrian rue. Thank you for all the info.
Its still more or less full moon so maybe today I'll make the tea. But I need to stop experimenting very soon and get serious about some other jobs I have.

It very beautiful plant, I suggest you buy at least one even if you do no experiments with it. It just has some nice rainforest vibe to it. 😁
 
Quidded (chewed right?) one leaf. Its very hot outside so I already felt tired but I think there was definitely some sedation from this. Everything felt a bit weird for couple of minutes, and when I think about it now, still do. Slight numbness or tingles in my head, slightly lightheaded.

Bear in mind I'm easily influenced by substances. Gave it to friend couple of weeks ago while we were drinking, he said he noticed something but wasn't sure because of alcohol. One young leaf in both experiments.

And just to write here so I remember. Plant spirit told me, harvest around noon, full moon, put in jar with water, let it ferment for few days, add wood ash or a lot of baking soda, shake, few days more, evaporate everything.

I also have idea of making alcohol tincture, but idk how can I separate glycosides and other toxic compounds from this?
 
indirectly nexus is making my mother and grandmother miserable... there are plants everywhere... it is always another...

I am at the point, when if you have south facing window without plants, I will slowly start to creep something ins... there is a slight chance that I have a problem...

<3
 
I just Ordered a Star Jasmine/Confederate Jasmine Leaf and Stem Extract, and I was going to Start a Thread Talking about how Texas just Legalized Clinical Studies for Ibogaine and to Talk about what the Extract does when it comes, but then I Found this Thread.

Here is Rick Perry (Former Texas Governor) Talking about Iboga on Joe Rogan’s Podcast:

The Effect Profile being Described in this Thread is Interesting, Calming, etc. I am Interested to see what the Extract does. I will be Posting about it in this Thread I guess instead of making my own Thread.

But I have known about this Plant for Years and Years, I think from the same Wikipedia Page Mentioned in this Thread, and it is Easy to Find Seeds or Even Potted Plants Ready to be Implanted into Gardens at Several Hardware Stores and Major Online Market Places.

I Ordered an Alcohol Based Extract because Google says Ibogaine Readily Dissolves in Alcohol, but I’m not sure if there will be any Ibogaine in it, and with the Illegality of Ibogaine I would be Surprised if there was any in the Extract.

And I’m Interested in knowing what else is in the Plant, I’ll be Reading through these Links soon:

Transform said:
I'd be very cautious about that, since it could cause serotonin syndrome.

Full moon was on Mon 13th Jan 2025 at 22:53 UCT, so if this was a very recent experience you may have attuned to that?

I've had this one on my radar for years and I'm a bit annoyed that I didn't buy a plant or two already over a decade ago when they were right in front of me. 😑

Interesting research, please proceed with caution! Remember, it's not just ibogaine that you're dealing with:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Alkaloids from Trachelospermum jasminoides - PubMed

Alkaloids from Trachelospermum jasminoides
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Phytochemistry, Pharmacology and Traditional Uses of Plants from the Genus Trachelospermum L - PMC

This paper is intended to review advances in the botanical, phytochemical, traditional uses and pharmacological studies of the genus Trachelospermum. Until now, 138 chemical constituents have been isolated and characterized from these plants, ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Indole Alkaloids from Trachelospermum jasminoides - PubMed

The leaves and stems of T. JASMINOIDES have been found to contain indole alkaloids. Five indole alkaloids, coronaridine, voacangine, apparicine, conoflorine, and 19-epi-voacangarine have been isolated. The (13)C-NMR spectra of apparicine and 19-epi-voacangarine are also reported.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Chemical constituents of Trachelospermum jasminoides - PubMed

Ten compounds, comprising a new C(8) normonoterpenoid glycoside, trachelinoside (1), structurally as 4-(2-O-beta-D-glucopyranosyl)-hydroxyethyl-5,5-dimethyldihydrofuran-2(3H)-one, together with nine known compounds, were isolated from the 85% ethanol extract of the vines and leaves of...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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I want to get into something here for Everyone. Texas is Leading the Charge for Ibogaine Treatment in America. In the Joe Rogan Podcast with Rick Perry You can see the Guy that is there with him Talking about his History with the State of Kentucky, and how Basically Kentucky Fumbled this whole Project because the New Attorney General doesn’t Agree with the Concept, so now Texas picked up where Kentucky left off. And this actually Passed, this is Part of Texas Law now.

Then in the Podcast Joe Rogan also asks like, “What will this look like if it this Passes?” Because it was before it was Passed into Texas Law. And they say that First there will be an RFP Process and a Pharmaceutical Manufacturer will have to be Chosen that can take on the Responsibility of Structuring the Clinical Trials and getting the FDA to Accept them, etc.

But I want to Talk about where this goes Next. And to do that I will Describe what Happened with a kind of Corrupt Judge, but this gets to kind of some of the Culture of Texas. The Corrupt Judge is Judge Sandoval, but I’ll Start by Talking about Judge Ray Wheless who is kind of the Pioneer of the Collin County Drug Court.

Ray Wheless is no longer a Judge, he Retired, but he is an Example of Someone who could get on-Board with this whole Project, and it would move Forward. Because what I am saying is that Collin County has a History, and that brings us to Judge Sandoval. Collin County is a County that Votes Republican Downballot and Judge Sandoval was maybe one of the most Conservative Judges and was Loved until he did some Things to turn the Community against him. He was called “Hang-em-all Sandoval” because of his Merciless approach as a Judge.

Eventually his behavior in the Court Room led him to being the First Republican to lose to a Democrat in Collin County, and then the County Government was so Angry that there was a Democrat Judge that they Falsely accused her of Several Felonies and part of the Reason they did it was because the FBI was Investigating them for their Corrupt Investigation of the Democrat Judge (Judge Wooten), so they charged her with 5 Felonies just to get the FBI off their backs.

But that’s a whole Other Subject. She ended up being awarded $500,000 for all of that, the Case is called Wooten v. Roach.

But back to the Point.

Judge Sandoval was actually part of the Drug Court System. He was part of a Drug Treatment Program where a Drug called “Prometa” was Administered to Meth Addicts. And

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Gabasync - Wikipedia

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I don’t remember the exact numbers so I may be getting this Wrong, but there was something like an 8% Fatality Rate, and Sandoval counted those as Successes, he considered those People to be “Cured of Addiction” (because they were Dead) and he added them to the Success Rate Statistics when he would Talk about the Success of his Program. And this Program isn’t even what got him kicked out of Office, People were completely Okay with him doing that.

So my Point is that once Clinical Studies are done, and assuming the Clinical Trials go well, the Next Step is to get Judges on-Board, and to have Ibogaine Treatment actually be part of Sentencing and Pre-Trial Treatment in Drug Courts Across Texas.

And this is likely going to Happen.
 
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