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I'd like to ask a blunt question...

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AweStruck

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Where do you sit, A or B?

A - Entities are real and independent, "Hyperspace" actually exists.
B - Entities and "Hyperspace" are only inner visions triggered by a powerfull drug.

If A:
1 - DMT allows me to "see" this hyperspace with my "minds eye".
2 - DMT allows some part of me to cross into this hyperspace.

if B:
My visions of Hyperspace and the Entities are in some fundamental ways similar to many other users because:

1- my subcontious mind pulled from previously relayed stories that originated from a small group of very influential people.
2 - There is something inherent in the chemical that makes us see the same kinds of things.

Sorry if this question is in bad form but I'm the new guy.

If it's not I'd like to keep going...
 
B. Although I don't think you really need the 'only' ;) The ontogeny of the DMT trance has nothing to do with it's transformative potency.

1 and 2 are too simple to understand the experience. Maybe we need options 3, 4 and to speculate about the commonalities between experiences. Of course this is still too simple but it's a start.

3.We share common deep cultural elements like language. This physically changes our brains in similar ways.

4. Many of us experience similar worlds. Cities are cities and towns are towns the world over. There are big differences but the similarities are deeper. We all love our kids and enjoy pets and music and mating etc. etc.

5. Our brains are all structurally very similar. I bet you couldn't tell two brains from people you know really well if they were laying in front of you :) It is not too surprising that people can have similar experiences.
 
the question is irrelevant because the "entity trip" is just a teaser.
the real trip begins when one realizes that he/she is God and that this life is
contained in God's imagination, and the game is to awaken and remember who you
really are- God.

oh, for the days of elvish tricksters teasing with jeweled impossiblilties.
 
Feel free to add options or comments.

the question is irrelevant because the "entity trip" is just a teaser.
the real trip begins when one realizes that he/she is God and that this life is
contained in God's imagination, and the game is to awaken and remember who you
really are- God.
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Wow, talk about a spoiler...:p
 
BillHicks said:
...all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.
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There ya go. Option C. This is the dream world, DMT lets us see beyond our normal 5 senses.
 
"There is no single infinity"

Ever heard of Georg Cantor? http://en.kvarkadabra.net/2008/12/man-who-counted-infinity.html

I bet that trying to understand 'the hyperspace(s)' is no less difficult than trying to count infinities.

Anyone ready to sacrifice your life for this? Who knows, you may succeed... well, or go crazy...

I believe that effects matter more than any theories. There may be theorists among hyperspace explorers but I don't really care. If you come up with some definite provable answer, let me know. Meanwhile... let's just enjoy (or learn from) hyperspace experiences and leave some room for uncertainty.

And to answer the main question, I think both A and B can be true at the same time. There may be some other dimension where some kind of 'beings' exist and DMT is one of keys to access it. However, our subconscious is no less powerful and produces visions as an interface to the hyperspace. It's like a computer program - there is some code being executed in the background and we then see only a window and a few buttons to interact with it. The code is like hyperspace and the interface is our mind's eye. And this is just a suggestion. I don't really have any fixed belief in regards to the hyperspace.
 
AweStruck said:
the question is irrelevant because the "entity trip" is just a teaser.
the real trip begins when one realizes that he/she is God and that this life is
contained in God's imagination, and the game is to awaken and remember who you
really are- God.
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Wow, talk about a spoiler...:p
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Kind of a spoiler, but one needs to experience it to truly understand it.
 
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Blunt quest?
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I think you may find that those who have tried more than one dmt analogue are in the 'in yer head' camp. Given experiential filters and cross-referenceing the effects(subjectively of course), etc. Now as for cultural or religious beliefs, those may weigh in more heavily. Long before I ever heard of the Nexus or Dr. Rick Strassman or Terrence Mckenna I read of the effects of DMT and read of people having Near Death Experiences and put two and two together to answer an a priori belief that they were one and the same and that all human experience is chemically based. I have since come to doubt that earlier belief and am still currently on the fence awaiting further information(read Edgar Cayce). As I read in a recent post elsewhere in this forum:

"Believe in those seeking truth, doubt those who have found it."

If I AM God, then it IS what I think. Whatever that is. Most truth is personal, anyway. Just because a rose IS red, doesn't mean my red isn't your blue.

Is that vague enough to not answer your question?
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Love all,

J

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Garulfo said:
3- There is something inherent in the brain that makes us see the same kinds of things
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B3
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Would this not imply that we are all linked in some way , regardless of breed(white, black,asian,hispanic etc)?

Then there is of course, assuming that the first assumption is true, then why? Why do we all share this commonality in the brain's wiring. Why SHOULD we all see the same/similar things? There would need to be some reason the brain wishes to show everyone this 'alternate reality.'
 
smokeydaze said:
wiru, if you haven't already check out the discussion here as it has some decent momentum and ideas..
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I have been avoiding that thread somehow all the time. However, I'll definitely take a look at it. Thanks.
 
AweStruck said:
Where do you sit, A or B?

A - Entities are real and independent, "Hyperspace" actually exists.
B - Entities and "Hyperspace" are only inner visions triggered by a powerfull drug.
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C - Entities are real and independent like numbers and computer programs and formal systems are real and independent, but not like tables and chairs are real and independent. Hyperspace actually exists like cyberspace actually exists, but not like my garage actually exists.

If A:
1 - DMT allows me to "see" this hyperspace with my "minds eye".
2 - DMT allows some part of me to cross into this hyperspace.

if B:
My visions of Hyperspace and the Entities are in some fundamental ways similar to many other users because:

1- my subcontious mind pulled from previously relayed stories that originated from a small group of very influential people.
2 - There is something inherent in the chemical that makes us see the same kinds of things.
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C1 - There is a "space of human experience" the fundamental limits of which are defined by the cognitive architecture of the human mind. People invariably locate the same landmarks in this space, because all people have human brains. However, no two people travel on exactly the same trajectory through this space, because no two people have exactly identical brains.
 
A1 ... There IS a non-physical reality to which we are all connected, emmeshed - We ALL have non-physical selves that reside within and that can percive Hyperspace (the pineal gland is an ancient eye). This non-physical self is some HUGE thing to discover, in addition to our body and physical senses.

And when I'm awake in this normal consciousness I am just God's fingertip, the tip of the Hyperspaceberg - but when I sleep or take dmt I can access the Whole Universe that God is creating, including me, and become God.


On a tangent, I have this theory that comforts me when I try to rationalize feeling like God (again..!)(maybe I'll elaborate in detail elsewhere) - Science shows us that Dark Matter and Dark Energy compose 95% of the known Universe - it is stuff we cannot 'see' but we infer it's presence (gravitational lensing for eg). But we living beings, along with stars, planets, dust and every atom out there are just 5% of the known Universe - this is called the "Luminous Universe" and it is just a measly 5% of all that is known to exist according to astrophyicists.

So in breif: Perhaps Hyperspace is 'in' the Dark Matter and Energy realms ..? I feel convinced that Hyperspace is charged full of an intent to 'enter' the luminous Universe. This is what God is up to ... making the rocks,dust, stars etc etc and life - God makes all things appear in the physical realms. The whole expanding, luminous Universe is being supported and inflated by the non-luminous Universe, which is perhaps where 'most of God' is.... all enveloped in Dark Energy and Dark Matter.

With the support of all-of-Hyperspace behind me, I'm stoked ! It is the realm of our ancestors, of unborn souls, and I'm lucky enough to HAVE been incarnated ! Realizing that I have been freed from the non-luminous Universe is such a Joy and gift from God ! Then I feel more at ease with the idea that my heart's intent and my will are like God blowing bubbles into this existance (vs the Messaiah complex) - bubbles of all possible realities, unfolding for me, as I blow them with genuine, selfless, loving intent - this brings a chain of pops and bings and boops of synchronicity in my life ! .. into my daily life now !
 
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