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I'd like to ask a blunt question...

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Is it cheating to say neither, but that the key thing is to completely redefine your concept of what you call 'real'? To suggest that the so-called entities are 'real' is to categorise 'them' by the flawed definition of reality that we commonly use.

To me the reality we inhabit when we're not on dmt is as valid as the reality we inhabit when we're on it. You may argue that 'no, because this reality is genuine, we can see it, feel it' - but I'd argue that this is only a commonly held (and rough) agreement. Reality is defined entirely by perception. No two people would be able to explain to a third person what their experience of sitting under the same tree at the same time was, they couldn't explain the exact feeling of the bark etc.

The entities may not be 'real' by the definitions we use in this reality but at the same time that makes no difference because this is completely irrelevant. If they exist to you and seem real at any point in time then by definition they are real. Whether or not the fact that you experience them is dictated by a drug is completely beside the point in my opinion.

I've put this a lot more succinctly elsewhere but it's on a different computer.

Here's a point: my gf holds the opinion that "because it stems from the action of a drug it cannot be real" She says "if you hadn't been there you would think that it's only a drug, it's impossible". The point, however, is that anything is possible. Whether or not our minds have the capacity to see the bigger picture is a matter for debate. Personally I think that we don't, and this is why I take the position of circumventing the question altogether.

Agnosticism strikes back.

(I also object to the word 'only')
 
No language can explain it completely - semantics and dualisms cripple our languages. It is comical sometimes when we come back from a chat with God and we try to cobble the experience back together with mere words ..! But we LOVE to try - poetry, song. music ... dance ... and the ramblings on DMT Nexus !!

Mathematics is where we need to turn to 'explain' it ... but who can follow String Theory..?!

String theory - Wikipedia

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I am mostly undecided on this particular question, and honestly, the answer is not that important to me. It interests me, but it isn't paramount to my belief system. I can still grow personally as a result of the experience. If I were to find out that it is strictly the result of brain chemistry, I wouldn't cease using DMT. I wouldn't reject my past experiences and regress to the mentality I was in before I discovered psychedelics.

Is it cheating to say neither, but that the key thing is to completely redefine your concept of what you call 'real'? To suggest that the so-called entities are 'real' is to categorise 'them' by the flawed definition of reality that we commonly use.
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Reality is defined entirely by perception
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I would rather say that the common sense of reality is defined by memory and time. You see an object (or touch, or hear, or smell).. ok that's perception.
Then you move, or the object move. Is the object still in the reality ? Nobody can say, but before that, a memory of the object have been taken. When you see that object again, without noticeable changes, it is automatically compared to the 'stored' object and because some time has passed you will make a link between the memory and the object (perception).
Reality is that link between memory and perception, with the help of the inner feeling of time.

During dreams (especially lucid ones) or DMT trips, no link can be made.
In a dream, objects are always changing. Sometimes they stay unchanged for few minutes, but they always change.
During a DMT trip, changes are even faster. There are sometimes similarities between objects but SWIM never met a similarity that could make him think "this is the same object"

If memory links could be made, the difference between the common reality and 'hallucinations' would only be a matter of time duration... which is very relative as we all know.
 
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As we have been reminded before in this forum, reality is a controlled 'drug' experience.
Seratonin is a neurotransmitter and most certainly factors in on our perception of reality. It is called that because it manufactured and used by the brain.

N,N-DMT is a chemical cousin(if not brother) to seratonin. If dmt is 'not' a neurotransmitter, then it is referred to as a drug. It changes perception by some unknown means but perhaps we can assume a 'tweakage' of the seratonergic system.

But what if it IS a natural neurotransmitter as many have supposed. What if at moments before imminent death, larger quantities than the brain typically handles are flooded out from the pineal gland or wherever. Would it not follow that its possible use would be to make that connection to the supernatural? To 'upload' YOU to the cosmos, heaven or the great hall of Akashic records, just before consciousness was lost in this mortal coil?

Dmt is a brain hack, either way. All I really know is my personal experience. That when I have a sufficient dose, I connect with...the source perhaps? That is how I describe it both during and after. I am good for many days afterward. Healed.
I believe that mostly they are figments, but that dmt allows the possibility of real contact with the supernatural and that given the right circumstance(mental training, readiness, spiritual need and when 'they' are ready) it CAN happen. Check LLB's posts.

Either way, this forum may never answer the question with certainty given that opinion is a human condition.

Love all,

Good luck,

J
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Would it not follow that its possible use would be to make that connection to the supernatural?
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Jason, You assume then, that prior to things that you can experiment yourself (like reality as described above) there is another plan (supernatural).
From where did you get that idea of a supernatural plan ?

Could you really say "this is something that I knew for sure, way before I heard about it in readings, cinema, or listened from someone else" ?

Another question for everybody wondering about reality and superreality : how guys do you make the difference between a dream/DMT experience and everyday's life experience ?
 
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I assume nothing. I guess I didn't put enough 'what if's' or 'possibly's'.

Is dmt a natural neurotransmitter? If so, what is it's role? Is it released during high stress as suggested by Strassman?

In my personal experience, I was was once extremely ill and after 2 1/2 days of it I experienced a definite psychedelic experience. It seemed more psylocin than dmt due to its duration, although whatever it was could have been released consistently into my blood having been native to my body and not ingested per my choice. It lasted for over 24 hours so suspect its release was extended. I don't know what it was just that it seems analogous to the NDE.

I really try to not go the God route with any of this stuff, but it seems to me that there is more going on IN FRONT OF our eyes than we are aware. And no. To be so clear, I do not believe in God in a christian sense of the ideal. I lean more towards Buddhism and that of course is NOT a religion.

And No I can't say I know anything for sure. All of us have our subconscious inundated with media. This is the communication era.


As for the difference between waking and sleeping realities? Do some research on what brain hemispheres are operating during each state. That is a good start.

I really feel like you are baiting me. If you have a real question then feel free to PM me.
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As for the difference between waking and sleeping realities? Do some research on what brain hemispheres are operating during each state. That is a good start.

Did a lot of readings (really a lot, from Freud to Stephen Laberge or more recent books about neurology of sleeping)
I experienced a lot of lucid dreams, will experience a lot I hope... and still is in total mystery about dreams.

I really feel like you are baiting me.
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Not at all. I find all that discussions very interresting and I enjoy pushing arguments, especially with people who have a different point of view like you. I find it is a good way to clarify my own point of views and I can only do that on this awesome forum with you guys, awesome people.
I am not interrested that much in discussing *about* scientific discovers or worse, personal interpretations from scientific knowledge. Well, it can not hurt but it's often pointeless. Like all that speculations about what is the purpose, or lack of purpose of the DMT inside the body. Yet, nobody knows.
The next researches of Strassman should put some light on this issue, but I'm not even sure he was able to start his experimentation yet.

In my personal experience, I was was once extremely ill and after 2 1/2 days of it I experienced a definite psychedelic experience.
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I find this REALLY interresting. It's something that you lived and it seems it was strong. Speculating about what was in your blood at this time... does it matter ?
 
Thanks for all the feedback! In my limited time here I've noticed many people talking about "hyperspace" as if it were a "real" place. I just wanted a show of hands.

I was so blown away buy what I experienced I'm having problems accepting it was anything but internal.
To add to my thoughts,,,, If I did experience something of another reality then WOW! I can barely grasp the ramifications..... Would it not be the most amazing discovery of all time?
 
pyx said:
Xstacy said:
Garulfo said:
3- There is something inherent in the brain that makes us see the same kinds of things
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Would this not imply that we are all linked in some way , regardless of breed(white, black,asian,hispanic etc)?

Then there is of course, assuming that the first assumption is true, then why? Why do we all share this commonality in the brain's wiring. Why SHOULD we all see the same/similar things? There would need to be some reason the brain wishes to show everyone this 'alternate reality.'
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we all share a common ancestor. our brains all function in the same manner. why does beer get everyone drunk the same way (more or less)?

also Pharmacology - Wikipedia
more succinctly Psychopharmacology - Wikipedia
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But that does not explain to me, however why everyone seems to see the same entities. That implies that either we all have the same imagination or we are all going to the same demention.

Also different people react to alcohol differently. Some are angry, some are violent, and some are passive and just silly. So it doesnt get everyoen drunk the same way. But on all breakthroughs, everyone has said they see 'something'
 
The reptilians are real. They are multi dimensional and live just outside of our frequency range. If you subscribe to this idea you will love David Ickes work. Just google David Icke or search on youtube.

Although I am new to DMT(-nexus.com), I've always been a subscriber of this theory due to Ickes work. I'm still waiting to see them for myself though (in a dream of coarse :p)
 
AweStruck said:
I was so blown away buy what I experienced I'm having problems accepting it was anything but internal.
To add to my thoughts,,,, If I did experience something of another reality then WOW! I can barely grasp the ramifications..... Would it not be the most amazing discovery of all time?
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My feeling exactly.

To your original question, jasons741 summed it up better than I could. I would add there has not been a single case of psychedelic levels of n,n-DMT found in the human body, even upon or after death -- only trace trace amounts, if any.

[I would also add there are not many cases, thus the need for research. Thank God (me?) for the internet and all of us in it (me again?).]

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Has anyone ever plugged a DMT measuring device to someone about to die and took reading? I doubt at time of death the MAOI's just die off instantly so they would still be working to neutralize the DMT in the body even post death?

I do not know, I am mearly asking. I have not read Dr Stassman's book completely either so I do not know where his research ended.
 
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But that does not explain to me, however why everyone seems to see the same entities. That implies that either we all have the same imagination or we are all going to the same demention.

Also different people react to alcohol differently. Some are angry, some are violent, and some are passive and just silly. So it doesnt get everyoen drunk the same way. But on all breakthroughs, everyone has said they see 'something'
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Well not everyone sees any entities at all, and not everyone sees the same entities either. Saying the entities shape shift is sort of a cop out. It's like the movie Contact. How many people felt ripped off when it was a shape shifting alien?

Personally, I don't believe there really are entities. That being said, this is the question of a skeptic, not a person being biased.

How can you be sure people are seeing the same entities, if they are never consistently the same? Not just different to other people, but by that individual themselves?

One way it could almost make sense would be.....if DMT screws with your sensory perceptions to the point that they cause individuals to pick up on frequencies which they normally don't, and that other living things exist in these frequencies. So they would have evolved somehow to need to know where we were in our frequency, to interact with us in some way, maybe parasitically or something like that. Or possibly they aren't aware of our frequency either, unless under the influence as well. This is kind of assuming that all senses have some sort of wave-like quality. There are colors and sounds around us right now that we aren't able to pick up on, maybe touch works similarly, and maybe the empty space between atoms is actually......something else.
 
I saw a cartoon dragon on DMT. Also a chocolate bar...

So I don't take hyperspace seriously in the sense of communing with other life, but I still take the messages they give me quite seriously.

I tell you all this. If such a dimension does exist, then it only exists within ourselves.
 
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