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Impatience is a virtue

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Tabaluga

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I am admin at The Corroboree forums and owners of Shaman Australis Botanicals. Would love to occasionally contribute to certain threads here, but don't have the time and patience for posting trivial stuff in the sandpit to become full member šŸ˜‰

Please promote me. I am sure there are members here who can vouch for my childishness and various undesirable attributes, but I do also have a lot of knowledge to share šŸ˜

edit: scroll to post 13 for full introduction.
 
You sure sound like you could contribute though :) You can always help around with questions from new comers. Some good advice is always needed. Patience is more of a virtue though, hard work and a good reward makes one the most satisfied. You are very welcome here :) have a good one
 
I did spend an hour looking at threads in the welcome section and found just one that I felt like contributing to. I did try.
It's the third time in the last few months that I've popped in to give advice only to be thwarted by the system. The instructions don't state a post requirement, but a 'personal maturity' requirement before being promoted. So rather than posting 10 inane posts to pad my reputation [which are likely to be incommensurate of what I COULD contribute] I was hoping to simply jump into the juicy sciencey bits straight away.
Unless of course the promotion is actually automatic with a certain post number in which case I'll just keep filling this thread with drivel ;)
 
I dunno. Stating that you're awesome and above the promotion process doesn't see like a very humble introduction.
If you truly cared about this community I'm sure you could find it in your heart to make a few heartfelt posts or threads and earn your stripes.
 
"I did spend an hour looking at threads in the welcome section and found just one that I felt like contributing to"

just saying, thats good
 
I didn't say I was above the promotion process. It might help if you actually read what the process is before criticising:

PROMOTION
You will be promoted to full membership when you have shown enough maturity in your posts. What this maturity is, is up to the moderators.

It helps to get promoted if:
* A full member vouches for you
* You keep making valuable posts, this can be experience reports, helpful answers & questions, literally all contributions!
* You write an essay why you want a full membership, this essay doesn't have to be long or without spelling errors, it just has to be genuine

Again, the decision to promote you to full membership is up to the mods! There is no minimum amount of posts you must make or a minimum amount of time you need to spend here, if the moderators think you earned your full membership then that will be the moment you get your promotion!

It clearly states there is no minimum of anything to get promoted and that promotion is based purely on the mods' decision. It does state that certain things HELP to get promoted, but again there is no minimum of such things other than that the mods need to be satisfied to grant the promotion.

So in reference to the 3 things that help:
1) I am hoping a few full members will vouch for me once they see this thread.
2) I am hoping that some mods know me from other forums and from when I was a member at the nexus in its original incarnation all those years ago, and that that establishes my 'posting maturity'.
3) Short, but done.

I don't seek to be a member of this forum on a social level as I don't have time for that. I usually come here via links posted on other forums when scientific and experiential input is required in a thead here to which I can contribute and help out. It's not the end of the world if I don't get promoted as I can give my input elsewhere, but it would be nice and convenient. So I guess for me it is a matter of weighing up the inconvenience of trying to attain full membershiip here VS the inconvenience of not being able to post my input here directly.

Thank you for assuming I am awesome, but after re-reading my posts I can't actually see any reference to having said or implied that. All I said was that I'd prefer to skip making inane posts and jumping right into the science, which the sandpit seems to be lacking.

At least I get to pad my post count with this discussion ;)
 
Trivial and inane posts will not get promoted.

Taking 15 minutes to describe your experience with psychedelics, motivation behind it and any special expertise you possess, along with helping a few new members with their question will get you promoted (very fast).
 
a lot of newcomers register and start asking ?'s that are already answered in a prior thread or on the WIKI. I did this at first, but then I started to experiment and tried, and i'm still trying, to come up with any kind of innovation so Knowledge is being added to the collective. Help some people out share good solid info and be very kind and respectful and you'll be promoted really fast. Regurgitating the known is redundant and it's often through our mistakes, failures, and happy accidents that we learn the most. new techniques new ideas meaningful blast off reports talking someone down from a bad trip pointing someone to an appropiate thread and most importantly read as much info that is contained on this site and its links so you can add something new to this collective.:thumb_up:
 
I'm just going to try to bite my tongue here... but that is nearly impossible with that kind of attitude staring me in the face.

We've all read the promotion statement- why repost it?

Actually reading others posts and making genuine contributions would go a lot further than "padding post count with inane replies to discussions."
 
Thanks for the comments guys.

I'm just going to try to bite my tongue here... but that is nearly impossible with that kind of attitude staring me in the face.

what attitude? The fact that i would like to help others with my knowledge rather than posting chit chat in the welcome section?


We've all read the promotion statement- why repost it?

Because cosmiclearning had obviously not read it as it clearly states there are no minimum requirements other than satisfying the mods and hence there is no such thing as 'being above the process'. I am trying to make the point that the process does not state any absolute requirements and hence I *MAY* satisfy the requirements already. If a mod tells me otherwise then that's fine.


Actually reading others posts and making genuine contributions would go a lot further than "padding post count with inane replies to discussions."

My point exactly. I don't want to post in social threads. I don't want to comment in tek threads if I am not familiar with the tek. It's been 16 years since my first steps in hyperspace, so I can barely remember them and hence would be unsuited to comment in that section. And I did not find anything I could contribute to in the open discussion. That's the only options as stated in the welcome statement.

Next week I will have probably forgotten that I wanted to contribute here ... until the next interesting thread gets linked elsewhere in a couple of months and then the whole thing starts again. Just because I don't eat, breathe and **** DMT doesn't mean I haven't got stuff to contribute in specific threads. If that's not wanted then fine, but I know my limitations so I thought I'd give it a try. Can't believe it has become so controversial, LOL.
 
The post count doesn't mean much... and I'm not a mod, but after I read an intro I like to have a little picture of the person. That makes me decide whether I'd like them around here or not. In that sense, whether you are an admin or own a store or not doesn't make a big difference.

And it's not about smoking, eating and ****ing DMT. I don't do that either. It's about knowing which kind of person you are and what do you have experience with. It's not very difficult to see the simple points behind the encouragement to write a little essay in those terms.
 
Shaolin said:
Trivial and inane posts will not get promoted.

Taking 15 minutes to describe your experience with psychedelics, motivation behind it and any special expertise you possess, along with helping a few new members with their question will get you promoted (very fast).
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Thanks for the advice. Will give the first part a go, which may help with the second part. Giving a run down of my experience is probably the best way to show where my expertise lies.

I've been interested in pharmacology and neurochemistry since age 15 [ie 1984] in particular in respect to plant products. This was strictly in regards to depression, addiction and other serotonin/dopamine/adrenaline/GABA conditions. At age 21 I had my first acid trip which quickly shifted my focus to the pharmacology of psychoactive substances. I am now 44 and this is still my main focus, but I have broadened my interest considerably over the years.

For many years I was interested in harm minimisation as related to synthetic drugs, posting testing results and elucidating contaminants of various production methods. I opened a shamanic plant nursery 14 years ago and a shamanic plant forum 12 years ago [which is now the oldest ethnobotany forum in the world]. I regularly answer questions for erowid and other harm minimisation sites. I was the first to test various foods and drugs while on MAOIa and rewrote the 90's MAOI precautions FAQ from its original 6 pages down to 1 page after establishing the safety of tyramine and other stimulants while confirming the dangers of serotonergics [eg mdma] and yohimbine. Mid 90's was also the time I encountered DMT. First synthetic [in europe] and then acacia extract in australia.

I have consumed more than 500 different medicinal plants - many of which I have grown myself. While respecting them all, I did not shy away from any plant spirit, including tropanes [datura], iboga, sleepy grass [and many other LSAs], etc.
In the mid 90's I was the first large scale global manufacturer of salvia extracts which finally dispelled the myths of its inactivity. The first published salvia extraction teks were mine.

I maintain a collection of over 2000 ethnobotanical plant species and many varieties [probably the largest non-government ethnobotanical collection in australia]. Most of them are medicinal and psychoactive species. I led and financed the teams that collected and released kratom and iboga plants to the world.

On my forum I used to contribute mostly about ethnobotany, but for the last few years have specialised in legislation as it affects plants and drugs. I now advise politicians, scientists and lawyers on drug policy and in particular interpretations of the chemistry as it pertains to drug law. I give free advice to most people who need it including local Santo Daime and UdV as well as any individuals looking for legal clarifications. My specialty is finding legal loopholes. My motivation in all this is that I have a deep belief in the sovereignty of the body and the overriding principle of personal responsibility.

I have some chronic and sometimes debilitating health problems that the docs have given up on which means I spend a lot of time doing my own research and experiments. hence my inability to contribute to any forum [including my own] on a social level as I simply don't have the time.

My areas of expertise are:
Chemistry [extraction and synth]
Law - Mostly australian, but also international [as relates to drug chemistry and plants]
Ethnobotany [cultivation and anthropology]
Pharmacology
 
Uh, I guess it is. You've wasted no time in alienating people. I wouldn't count on a fast promotion if I were you.
 
Hello Tabaluga,

Welcome to the Nexus. Thanks for following up that first post with something a lot more real. The initial post you made was an equation for how NOT to get promoted here at Nexus, regardless of who you are or claim you are. We see those about every week or two and they get old in my opinion.

But, your fourth follow-up post was a lot better - that's more like it. Way to truly introduce yourself rather than saying I'm not going to bother, promote me. Thank you so much for taking the time. I for one appreciated it. I will watch you on this site and if all looks like it's right, I will quickly vote you for promotion. No biggie, as my vote is very low-value, but if others feel the same way, promotion could result very quickly.

Meanwhile, what's the rush man? Take a good look around. Frankly, the Welcome Area is where the most action is and where the most interesting posts are. It takes a LONG time to become familiar with this HUGE resource. People have worked for several years creating a huge amount of accurately researched depth information here. Cutting edge research is being conducted on plant analysis, finding new DMT plants, new teks, as well as growing entheogenic plants from live starts and/or seeds.

Since when is impatience a virtue? You wrote you were 44 years old. This is also my age. Is this a main lesson you have learned?

Hang in there, keep posting, and maybe review the Attitude one more time. Promotion WILL come as it does to all of those who show they understand the rules here and who participate.

Again, welcome to the Nexus.


P.S.: What contributions, if any, did you make to the old Entheogen Review? If any, what was your pseudonym?
 
Thanks for following up that first post with something a lot more real. The initial post you made was an equation for how NOT to get promoted here at Nexus

There was no requirement of length or content in the instructions, so I opted for the minimum ;)


regardless of who you are or claim you are. We see those about every week or two and they get old in my opinion.

I don't use my claim for VIP treatment [I don't believe in that regardless of who it is]. I use it merely for familiarity. Many people know me here [but not under my tabaluga nic] and what better way to introduce myself than to provide my full real identity! The fact that I am associated with that forum and that business is simply who I am. It's like someone else saying they work at walmart or at the local deli for the last decade.


I for one appreciated it. I will watch you on this site and if all looks like it's right, I will quickly vote you for promotion.

thanks! much appreciated.


Meanwhile, what's the rush man? Take a good look around. Frankly, the Welcome Area is where the most action is and where the most interesting posts are. It takes a LONG time to become familiar with this HUGE resource. People have worked for several years creating a huge amount of accurately researched depth information here. Cutting edge research is being conducted on plant analysis, finding new DMT plants, new teks, as well as growing entheogenic plants from live starts and/or seeds.

I am well aware of the value of this resource. I have contributed to it in many ways in the past. I am 44 and simply don't have a lot of time in my life. I like to help people, but my help is far more valuable in the areas no accessible to new members. I may only pop in once a month to help out with a problem, or I might be here for a week every day and then not for months at a time. Whatever it takes to solve important problems and to prevent spread of misinformation. There area lot of australian members here and some of the legal issues facing us in the next few months will be quite overwhelming.


Since when is impatience a virtue? You sound like you might be close to 30 years old. Is this a main lesson you have learned?

I am 44, but I am still trying to pack as much into my days as I used to 10 years ago - despite my health problems. The other side has far more reseources than we do and there are just not enough people to fight with the right tools on this side. I did not pick legal issues out of any desire, but out of necessity. That necessity keeps growing while the capacity keeps shrinking. My reference to impatience being a virtue was tongue in cheek. It is the occasional impatience that allows me to be virtuous where it counts. ie time saved in one area allows me to spend it in another. At the moment that means spending more time educating people about the law and gathering momentum to fight it. I can always rest when we have won or lost ;)

re The Entheogen review, I can't recall if I have actually made any contributions to it. I am friends with both previous editors and have given advice on some topics, but can't recall having written anything. why do you ask?
 
For a moment there I was a full member. Had just written the long technical post I'd been keen to write all along for THIS thread, but when I hit submit I was suddenly not a full member anymore and the post is gone.

if alienating people who put words in my mouth and who are mostly new members themselves is what got me demoted then all I can say is WOW.

This game is silly. I'm outta here.
 
Sorry if you missed my edit. I noted my reason for edit as hallucination as I thought I had seen for a moment you were a Full Member also. We are the same age and I edited my post to say that.

Sorry about your health problems - I've got a slew of them too and frankly it does suck, especially with all those good memories of my body's earlier days with such good functioning and lack of chronic pain. I gotta say though, in addition to letting the docs scan me and test my blood every month or two as well as consume prescriptions, that meditation and cannabis have been tremendously helpful to me.

All you need to do to reply to that thread is just make a post in the Open Discussion area reading "Re: Elemi Booster?" Then as you begin to write, be sure to produce the link just as you did here. Your post will get a lot of looks and replies I am sure. Just as almost all do in the Open Area.

I asked about ER because you bragged a lot about your bonafides especially in the early and mid '90's. So much that was really happening along those cutting edge lines back then was documented by the brave psychonauts who made ER submissions. I always ask older members or those who make big claims if they contributed - I remember a number of the bigger contributor's names and articles quite clearly and I was kinda wondering if I "knew you" on that front.

Finally, it's not a game here. It's a very very unique culture and forum. Different from all others, including drug forums. If you had taken more than an hour, and truly read all those links in your Welcoming PM you might have realized that.


P.S.: Outta here now that you got what you whined for and demanded. Okay. Stay well and keep safe.
 
I asked about ER because you bragged a lot about your bonafides especially in the early and mid '90's. So much that was really happening along those cutting edge lines back then was documented by the brave psychonauts who made ER submissions. I always ask older members or those who make big claims if they contributed - I remember a number of the bigger contributor's names and articles quite clearly and I was kinda wondering if I "knew you" on that front.

First I don't say anything about myself and get attacked for that, then I give a partial run down of what I've been involved in and get accused of bragging? There is no pleasing you lot ;)
I did most of my stuff online as I was online before I started in ethnobotany [about 94]. Was a member of many open and closed lists where most of the TER content originated, but usually used my own name there. As soon as I started my own forum I just posted everything there. It's still there. If you were on any of the lists we probably know each other - PM me with details if you like.


edit: Hmm, now I am a member again. I think I might wait till tomorrow now before posting in the main section just in case it changes again, LOL.
 
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