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Information/advice - Exploring Dark&negative areas of hyperspace (The Void)

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Have been shattered by a massive freight train as the dimensions of scenery soon changed into intrinsic machinery as the ceiling, floor works soon transmuted into gears, metal bolts, and a much brighter color change, not to mention extremely dark. Was in an abandoned railway at the time, and should have known better when it said "NO ENTRY" bounded by chains.. All that came to mind was the meaningful, "Hits you like a freight train". It scared me to shit, the railway changed its course and this future-esque engineered piece of work made its way into my body feeling every epidermal pulsation. Of course I would consider it as a negative experience, but cannot believe thats what is to be accomplished. They may want something from us, but the willpower I have is entirely for me to conquer alone. There are many more evils surrounding me right now which frightens me a lot more than any farfadette army could ever do.

Litrium, we are not especially bound by the spirits and entities or transdimensional aliens brought on by our own receptors spent on to harm us in any way. This exposes nothing spiritual, and instead exploits the negativity brought onto oneself. We try searching for entities for what, why do you have the urge to contact in something higher as we can get along perfectly fine with or without? If the entheogen experience is viewed as negative than religiously and spiritually would be counter-productive.

My artistic side adverted onto moving onto higher ground, gratified by the beauty to accept what has been provided. Explore the fun of life because all that awaits us is death, which is explicitly moving onward.
 
litrium said:
I think it's quite arrogant to think that they have nothing to offer and have no knowledge to dispense.
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Well I said quiet the opposite - was simply pointing out that I don't whole heartingly agree with the idea of this other place which is defined partly by their theory, though I do agree they understand how it works and how to use it. But I could be wrong, however I just feel there is no other or outside or there .. only here, which is all which is you which is everything which is the same and to which difference lends no companionship.

Antrocles, the bucket and scrub rooms require such an effort and will - it's funny how much you get done and how fulfilling it is when it's clean though, in comparison to the already clean rooms.. though all are just as rewarding.
 
It doesn't matter whether you believe entities are real or manifestations of the universal godself or meaningless hallucinations. The only thing that matters is, as Crowley said, that by doing certain things, certain results will follow. The experiences that you have on these drugs are not like the experience of looking at something nasty under a microscope in a lab. These are experiences that can change you in profound, permanent and unimaginable ways, experiences that force you to confront aspects of yourself and your identity that you may never have known to exist. Don't delude yourself into thinking that you can stare into the darkest corners of the human soul and then return from the trip and ever look at life the same. This is serious shit.
 
Thats what Dr Dee said in northern africa. what it means I do not know
most likely jibberish again in the year two.....................thosand(holds flashlight to face)

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kick the demon in the balls and storm the castle
 
Psychodelirium said:
Don't delude yourself into thinking that you can stare into the darkest corners of the human soul and then return from the trip and ever look at life the same. This is serious shit.
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To me, it sounds like you've deluded yourself into truly believing you can not do such a thing. You control you. When you doubt control in yourself - you tend to lose it.

Though, that's not to say some things, some scenarios, require conditioning... but that conditioning is growth. Let's hope it's positive. 8)
 
wake and bacon said:
Psychodelirium said:
Don't delude yourself into thinking that you can stare into the darkest corners of the human soul and then return from the trip and ever look at life the same. This is serious shit.
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To me, it sounds like you've deluded yourself into truly believing you can not do such a thing. You control you. When you doubt control in yourself - you tend to lose it.
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The "you" is the thing that changes with experience. That's the whole point. I mean when you go down into the dark shit, it's not like you are just passively observing it so you can bring back notes. It is a lived experience in your life; an experience that teaches you and changes you.

Also there is a "dark side" which is just a wall that obscures and scares you away from dealing with something personal and psychodynamic. This is, so to speak, your dark side, and you ought to shed some light on it as a matter of principle.

But then there's the Dark Side proper, which is the mind of psychopaths, of serial killers, of torturers, etc. It's the dark side of human sacrifice, black magic, dark shamanism, and so on. Do you really want to get into that kind of shit with DMT? I believe strongly that psychedelics can show you not simply what it's like to be you, but what it's like to be human, and there are some really twisted aspects to humanity. I mean people post "bad trip" reports with DMT sometimes and it's like, well I felt drained, or my soul was being milked, or I was uncomfortable, or the spice slapped me around. But there are also "bad trip" reports where people are torn apart with existential horror and never touch a psychedelic again. And no one's read the "bad trip" reports where someone understands what it's like to be an SS officer in a concentration camp, but I bet you could get that experience from DMT if you really wanted to.

I mean I'm not saying spice is bad, stay away from the spice. But to use something as powerful as DMT intentionally to see how far you can get into human evil sounds like an absolutely terrible idea to me and I fear for the sanity of anyone who tries to do it.
 
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"You have NO idea the power of the dark side!" so sayeth some sith.
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Happy hunting!
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So he wants to give the universe a prostate exam. I say More Power To Him!
Might just find out something that most of us are never gonna know.
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I agree with Psychodelirium. Don't tempt fate by seeking out the darkside. Just explore whatever comes your way.

By the way, it is cool how this community has two very different and opposing view points as represented by Antrocles and Litrium. Very interesting reading.
 
jasons741 said:
So he wants to give the universe a prostate exam. I say More Power To Him!
Might just find out something that most of us are never gonna know.
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That's what my goal is! So much knowledge has come from the deep happy trips people have had so far. So many good trips have changed peoples lives in profound ways, GOOD TRIPS. Could there be things to learn from the inner workings of The Void? What answers might come from it? Other then the more obvious, profound [negative mental] changes that could come from driving deep enough into The Void (enough times). Could there be, hidden mystery's?

Questions I intend to find out. Please keep on shearing your views. Be it against this trip to The Void, or for this trip to The Void.
 
Maybe the dark side is a spice trying to show you what you need to change for the better? Love doesnt always work to fix problems. Rarely does a kind word help the alcoholic. Fear of death often does help. Maybe that is why spice helps with many addictions. It can be a nice trip or it can be a bad trip. But the results seem to speak for themselves.

There is nothing to fear in exploring any place in hyperspace. If you are scared of what you might find, dont do spice. There is a chance you are going to go there, like it or not. Your ego can not save you.

SWIM had a bad trip and it scared the hell out of him, so what did he do? Took a day off, thinking, meditating and went back and had the most amazing breakthrough experience of his life.

Fear not my child, for love is always with you. Do not give into fear as you should not give in to astonishment. Face your fear and seek the message the spice is trying to show you. Let go as you will not be caught in hyperspace - at least until you die...
 
To me it seems that Antrocles' former experiences with the spice - and perhaps also his general psychological make-up - calibrates his consciousness in such a way that the demons of hyperspace just cannot touch him. His faith may provide the best possible insulation layer against these kinds of attacks.

The quest of the shamans for psychic tools of self-defense may have the same psychological roots as the arms race between the USA and USSR during the cold war. Christianity has a lot to say about this subject. Actually, in a sense Christianity is the doctrine of letting go ("thy will be done"). In Christian terms, the thing that helps us sail safely in the waters of hyperspace is Faith.
 
Another thought that came up related to this thread:

One area of life where the dark side is quite deeply explored nowadays is psychedelic trance music. There is even a subgenre called "killer", with the declared intent to "kill" you (your ego) through specially crafted sound waves. This might seem like an invitation for demonic invasion on one hand, and a call for enlightenment on the other. To me, this seems like an interesting modern version of traditional tantric practice. Sometimes I have a feeling that today's trance parties are like training grounds for letting go.
 
Yet another one: a decade ago, a friend of mine came to the conclusion that the goa trance phenomenon was created by alien beings who infiltrated the minds of the musicians and directed them to create the frequencies necessary for mind control. Plus they helped to spread MDMA in the dance scene. They did all of this because - according to my friend - they were living on the energy generated by human beings when dancing to trance music while on MDMA.

Now this story made me quite anxious (during that time, reality was much more fluid than nowadays), but came out of the paranoia when I remembered a tale about an incarnation of the Buddha, who gave his own body to the tiger to eat when he saw that the tiger (or the tiger's babies) were hungry. All this from compassion.

So I decided that next time I would go with this intent to the party: if you are hungry, well, here I am, feed on me, and what's more: help me generate more because then it's a win-win situation (I dance my ass off and they get what they want). And this helped: I've never felt this "drainage" every since (or when I did, it was clearly because of myself not able to let it go - the fight took up an enormous amount of energy).
 
cellux said:
Another thought that came up related to this thread:

One area of life where the dark side is quite deeply explored nowadays is psychedelic trance music. There is even a subgenre called "killer", with the declared intent to "kill" you (your ego) through specially crafted sound waves. This might seem like an invitation for demonic invasion on one hand, and a call for enlightenment on the other. To me, this seems like an interesting modern version of traditional tantric practice. Sometimes I have a feeling that today's trance parties are like training grounds for letting go.
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I am not sure I have ever listened to the Subgenre Killer, could you link a few good e.g? I like the views you have posted, happy that you added to the topic!

I must say after my 1st experience, I have not had the chance to try spice again since then. I still intend on looking into The Void. I think back now on some questions I asked. Like, how to induce a dark trip without disrespecting spice?! I think some Dark trance, or Killer trance might be the answer. I can go in with full respect, and have the music aim me in the direction I want to go.
 
If dark psytrance doesn't cut it, then look after albums by a band called Elend, especially "Les Ténèbres Du Dehors" and "Umbersun".

Elend is the darkest music I've ever heard. And I call that dark not because of the effects (like horror screams in dark psytrance, which is easy to do), but dark because of the emotions expressed therein.

(If you like Elend, you may also like their "counter-point": Dead Can Dance. Esp. recommended their DVD "Towards the Within", especially the tracks "Tristan" and "Sanvean" - but only after you've listened through the tracks before them! That album had been designed as a progression towards Light. And Sanvean... well, Sanvean expresses something that is in the center of my heart.)

Another band with tracks capable of evoking elements of the dark side is Hawkwind, for instance their albums "It's the Business of the Future to Be Dangerous" and "Alien 4".
 
And for an example of how the weirdest "massacre" of sounds can transform into a heavenly experience, listen to the album "Da Budet" by the Russian artist "Psykovsky". That album requires a tremendous amount of energy to live through it, but if you have it, you will be rewarded tremendously. :)
 
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