Information On Using Different Acids.

[polmos]

I've been thinking about this for a while but cannot find an answer.

What happens when someone extracts akaloids like say "dmt"
(if legal to do in your country obviously)
using a mixture of acids ? For example - Acetic acid & Phosphoric acid together.
Would they end up with - Dmt Acetate, Dmt Phosphate,
a mixture of both, or something else ?

I'm just curious...

 

[polmos]

Also, what would happen if one was to mix Acetic acid & Phosphoric acid (PH-4) water boils together in an A/B extrection ?

 

[polmos]

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[benzyme]

you'll have a mess of excess salts, and not all of it will be dmt.
acetic acid has one pka, phosphoric acid has three.
(for future reference and for simplicity's sake, don't use phosphoric).

 

[polmos]

you'll have a mess of excess salts, and not all of it will be dmt.
acetic acid has one pka, phosphoric acid has three.
(for future reference and for simplicity's sake, don't use phosphoric).

What if the extraction was finished as-is with phosphoric acid.
And the spent bark was dehydrated, then another extraction was done using vinegar
to see if one could pull any more ?

 

[benzyme]

why did you use phosphoric acid?

 

[Jees]

Answering for myself:

* for drinking brews: getting nice pH's with it (4 to 5) without any taste, on rue, mhrb, vine, leafs, seems to work like a charm, boiling, cold soaks, have really not noticed any shortcoming to it. Would think of phos-A as food-safe over HCl and tasteless over vinegar.

This is the first time encountering negative news about Phos-A. But the word of a reputed chemist is to be taken seriously. Benzyme, Is your rebuff on phos-A also concerning the drinkable brews, or only regarding making extracts?

 

[polmos]

why did you use phosphoric acid?

I'm just curious, as i was under the impression (originally) that Phosphoric Acid
would give people better yields than vinegar.


Back to my last question, what if someone would dehydrate the spent bark & start over with vinegar ?
Would the phos-A evaporate off the spent bark if they dehydrated it ?

 

[benzyme]

no, phosphoric acid isn't particularly volatile.
instead (like I mentioned), you'll be left with a lot of salts.

good thing you have a decent meter, you'd need to know the various pKa's of phosphoric acid, and the pKa of DMT's terminal amine, to get anywhere using that acid.

Phosphoric acid is not the most extraction-friendly acid (it also degrades polypropylene).

 

[polmos]

you'll have a mess of excess salts, and not all of it will be dmt.
acetic acid has one pka, phosphoric acid has three.
(for future reference and for simplicity's sake, don't use phosphoric).

One more question on that.
Would you mind elaborating on how exactly that would effect the end result
(after basifying & pulling\freeze precipitating with naphtha) ?