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Kobranek

Kobranek

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Pondering joining the church to become a founding member, however, there's a part of me that feels like we are already the founding members with the work that we are doing here at the nexus so there is no need. The legality is of concern since I don't live in a legal state and would rather stay anonymous until I feel safe enough to come out of the woodwork.

$100 annual fee to support the church and may be able to have a DMTx experience if one is chosen after a competitive essay selection process.

What's the nexus' thoughts? Couldn't we just claim a similar religious exemption for a US chapter and other chapter houses throughout the world as legality allows?

Thank you Trav and everyone else for creating this space for us to further support the mission we truly believe in❤️
 
If you're living in a state where having those experiences won't get you into legal trouble, joining a church just sounds like jumping through more unnecessary hoops to have an experience you can already have on your own terms. If you like what that establishment stands for and want to support them, then by all means do so. I'm sure they can put the donation to good use.

But as it stands, and I mean this in a respectful way, I wouldn't love seeing the Nexus associated with a religious organization of any kind.
 
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The Church of Psy

I wish there could be a church dedicated to finding truth through psychedelics. Polytheistic and welcoming of all ideas, harsh or happy. I know New Mexico has one, but I wish there could be a nationwide one. On the sabbath, we could all drop acid, smoke spice, or partake in the holy mushroom...
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Temple Earth: Church of Entheogenic Spirituality & Ethnobotanical Temple of Humanity

The Temple accepts all people, all races, sexes and Homo sapiens of every type, as long as they are over 17 years of age. Our Mission at Temple Earth- To promote a return to a simpler, more spiritual life in harmony with the enviroment and natural world. To promote the cultivation and spread...
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concept entheogenic church

I was looking into what needs to be done to legally start a church, is it really as easy as filling out some forms? Once established does there need to be church doctrine? (specially if we claim that use of entheogens is constitutionally protected) We wrote one up anyway, and may actually try...
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So the idea has been floating around since before the Nexus.
 
Entropymancer said:
There are some good discussions on the religious use defense on the ayahuasca forums if you're interested
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Yes, those decisions are certainly good for those religions, and they pave the way for other qualifying religions to get the same protection. But it's easy to forget how narrow the protections really are. Individuals belonging to the church cannot legally brew or drink ayahuasca at home; the protection is only for the use of the beverage within a church meeting/ceremony. And the church has to obtain a DEA license to handle a schedule I drug and comply with all of the storage and record-keeping regulations that go with that (all the same sort of red tape Strassman went through 20 years ago while conducting his research). Add all that to the stringent requirements a religion must meet to obtain an exemption for the use of a schedule I drug and you see that, based on current precedent, this really does not appear to be a functional option to protect individual liberty with regard to the use of entheogens; it's really only a good route for actual churches (like the daime and udv).

Also as I mentioned before, this strategy has no influence at all in protecting the legal status of a particular drug; in fact it's pretty much irrelevant to plants that are currently legal. They can still be scheduled at any time, regardless of whether they're in use by a religious group. It simply provides a route to exemption from drug laws for (some) churches that employ (some) drugs.

I'd rather throw in with Ethan Nadelmann's Drug Policy Alliance and the folks at the Center for Cognitive Liberty and Ethics than start a fake "religion."
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Thank you for the responses! I agree with the nexus transcending any organized religion and staying that way. I don't subscribe to dogma and am not wanting to perpetuate any cultural misappropriation in any way.

These are definitely interesting times to see how the psychedelic renaissance/ movement is pushing the bar towards legalization here in the US.

Monetary requirements to gain acceptance keeps me weary which is why I love it here. Not because I'm cheap but because I've been accepted here just because of my fascination with dmt. Okay maybe because I'm cheap😆

At the same time there has been a lot of hard work that has been done here that may have benefited these groups that go unacknowledged. I know the nexus isn't about holding proprietary rights but still acknowledging the hard work of others and not claiming it as their own is where I strongly feel that I don't want the nexus to get the short end of the stick.
 
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