darklordsson
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Energy Control has a license to work with controlled substances afaik. The samples can be submitted more or less anonymously. So I don't see the legality issue being that big of deal in this case.
Here is kinda what I have in mind:
A list of available samples is created, we could maintain this list privately to protect anonymity.
When enough money becomes available via donations to run to run a sample we have the person with the sample send it anonymously directly to the lab.
The lab runs the sample and sends the results to a designated person who posts them online.
When enough money comes in for another sample it's sent off, and so on.
A few ideas I have in mind about what kind of samples we could test:
We could test phalaris arundinacea from different climates/locations and check for alkaloid differences. We could find out what alks are in wild aquatica/paradoxa/canariensis/etc... We could look at what alkaloids are present in digitaria species or in a whole variety of other grass species.
We could test what alkaloids are present in various cacti like lophophora alberto/koehresii/fricii etc... What alkaloids are present in the various "brands" of trichs and in other species such as myrtillocactus.
How does the alkaloid profile and concentration of trichocereus bridgesii monstrose compare to standard T. bridgesii and L. williamsii?
Is ibogaine really present in star jasmine?
and so on and so forth
Here is kinda what I have in mind:
A list of available samples is created, we could maintain this list privately to protect anonymity.
When enough money becomes available via donations to run to run a sample we have the person with the sample send it anonymously directly to the lab.
The lab runs the sample and sends the results to a designated person who posts them online.
When enough money comes in for another sample it's sent off, and so on.
A few ideas I have in mind about what kind of samples we could test:
We could test phalaris arundinacea from different climates/locations and check for alkaloid differences. We could find out what alks are in wild aquatica/paradoxa/canariensis/etc... We could look at what alkaloids are present in digitaria species or in a whole variety of other grass species.
We could test what alkaloids are present in various cacti like lophophora alberto/koehresii/fricii etc... What alkaloids are present in the various "brands" of trichs and in other species such as myrtillocactus.
How does the alkaloid profile and concentration of trichocereus bridgesii monstrose compare to standard T. bridgesii and L. williamsii?
Is ibogaine really present in star jasmine?
and so on and so forth
darklordsson
Rising Star
That would defiantly boost the pharalas research 10 fold. Especially if the research in isolating alkaloids could be done.
the analysis would give a chemical profile, which would give some insight on how to apply a separation technique for various alkaloids, like solvent partitioning (get me the data, i'll write a tek). I'd favor LC-MS over GC-MS, as no derivatization is needed for any alkaloid, and I'd want tandem mass spec data, to see a full chemical fingerprint.
might as well get your $'s worth. GC-MS is an old method, and definitely cheaper to run.
might as well get your $'s worth. GC-MS is an old method, and definitely cheaper to run.
DreaMTripper
Rising Star
I would be more than happy to ask an offsite aquaintance to chip in to forward phalaris research.
Why not send it to them? they take international samples.
concombres
Rising Star
Jim27 said:
Ecstasydata.org is u.s. Based & anonymous. They are a bit pricey for powders & i can't compare to energy control since i've not used them yet.
downwardsfromzero
Boundary condition
One could press a tablet using a nut and 2 bolts and save oneself a few bucks.concombres said:
Submitting a sample | International Energy Control
energycontrol-international.org
A new webpage has been launch for the service.. It is also possible to test cannabis and other plants and extracts for pesticides and heavy metals.
I highly recommend everyone to test any substance they consume, specially if they haven't extracted/synthesized it themselves (or if it comes from new experimental plants). If not with a lab, then TLC kit... but please, be safe people!
PsilocybeChild
Rising Star
I appreciate this, can't afford much more than that, or might as well dump chem and get new batch.
Why does everyone believe, the prices quoted are not fair?
Do you know what costs inccour running these machines and having trained personal doing the analysis? You might not like it but energycontrol is a nonprofit organisation. That means, they are not allowed ..well, to turn a profit.
Do you know what costs inccour running these machines and having trained personal doing the analysis? You might not like it but energycontrol is a nonprofit organisation. That means, they are not allowed ..well, to turn a profit.
^ Exactly....
There are all the costs for the machines themselves (lc-ms was donated but gc-ms and uv-vis spec purchased), the costs for the mantainance, the professionals and their hours of work, costs for all the reference standards and legal paperwork, etc. Not to mention Energy Control does totally free testing for anybody in the country as well as in festivals also in other countries of Europe. Most people there are either volunteering or the ones that are hired receive very basic salaries, nobody is getting profit at that organization.
I think people should be thankful they exist at all and think twice before saying anything they do "isn't fair". Sure not everybody can afford it right now but that doesn't mean it's not fair, it just means you can't afford.
And maybe at some point someone else can get legal authorization to receive drug samples internationally and starts such a service for cheaper, paying their costs somehow else... If so, that would be great, and I would definitely love to forward the message to others. So far I'm unaware of anybody stepping forward for that.
Also do consider that there are way cheaper options such as TLC kits the user can test themselves which already give a lot of important information harm reduction-wise.
There are all the costs for the machines themselves (lc-ms was donated but gc-ms and uv-vis spec purchased), the costs for the mantainance, the professionals and their hours of work, costs for all the reference standards and legal paperwork, etc. Not to mention Energy Control does totally free testing for anybody in the country as well as in festivals also in other countries of Europe. Most people there are either volunteering or the ones that are hired receive very basic salaries, nobody is getting profit at that organization.
I think people should be thankful they exist at all and think twice before saying anything they do "isn't fair". Sure not everybody can afford it right now but that doesn't mean it's not fair, it just means you can't afford.
And maybe at some point someone else can get legal authorization to receive drug samples internationally and starts such a service for cheaper, paying their costs somehow else... If so, that would be great, and I would definitely love to forward the message to others. So far I'm unaware of anybody stepping forward for that.
Also do consider that there are way cheaper options such as TLC kits the user can test themselves which already give a lot of important information harm reduction-wise.
endlessness said:Submitting a sample | International Energy Control
A new webpage has been launch for the service.. It is also possible to test cannabis and other plants and extracts for pesticides and heavy metals.
I highly recommend everyone to test any substance they consume, specially if they haven't extracted/synthesized it themselves (or if it comes from new experimental plants). If not with a lab, then TLC kit... but please, be safe people!
PsilocybeChild
Rising Star
That's how I feel, never implied it isn't fair, just that I can't afford it right now as I barely have any work atm. But very thankful those services exist.
Is the PDF report worth the extra 50 euros or does the text email give the info needed?Thinking of sending out a harmalol candidate from rue if it passes all the ongoing testing that can be done in the kitchen (but it may be unstable in air which is another ongoing test).
The text version has all the info you need unless you are a chem nerd 
But anyways, to save you some money, let me remind you that this offer still stands:
But anyways, to save you some money, let me remind you that this offer still stands:
endlessness said:The text version has all the info you need unless you are a chem nerd
But anyways, to save you some money, let me remind you that this offer still stands:
Free lab test for your (garden or local) plants !!! Interested?? - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
Oops, I missed that thread - my apologies, shows I'm a newbie.
Would a substance extracted from purchased rue seeds be ok/qualify? Basically want to test a mystery powder that gets picked up with ammonia and won't fall out during manske (and therefore is usually discarded in typical rue extractions focused on harmine/harmaline). The powder could be a harmalol candidate and has green fluorescence which disappears upon basing.
This is not something particular new, there are reports of pulling harmalol from rue using KOH to separate it from harmine/harmaline (testing ammonia instead of KOH here since it dries clean). However traditional rue extractions are focused on harmine/harmaline recovery and potential harmalol recovery is not typically considered.
Gory details with references and papers in this thread. I'm working on being more clear and to the point, pitubo pointed out I can be difficult to follow, so sorry about that.
Algodritmo
eclectic
Awesome service, used it more than once. This should be widely available for free in every country. If every country dedicated a small percentage of the money dedicated to the world on drugs on this, it would be so much easier for everyone involved!