you give these things whatever power they have over you, whatever level of "reality" they may exist as..doesnt matter. Im dead serious. Dont let things like this do this to you.
ocelot said:I second fractal enchantment's advice (and the others who said similar things)!
Whatever these things are; sleep paralysis, evil entities...? In the material realm they can only have the power that you give them - and they will try to trick or frighten you into letting them use/feed on your energy, but ultimately you do have the power to resist
Good luck with dealing with this
lysergify said:ocelot said:I second fractal enchantment's advice (and the others who said similar things)!
Whatever these things are; sleep paralysis, evil entities...? In the material realm they can only have the power that you give them - and they will try to trick or frighten you into letting them use/feed on your energy, but ultimately you do have the power to resist
Good luck with dealing with this
Hmm I partially disagree with this advice. If OP is indeed being attacked by something from the non-material realm, then it would make sense to use a similar protection device against it. An entity made of "mind-stuff" cannot be countered with physical stuff, only with other "mind-stuff". SWIM has had good results using the Bible against these sorts of entities (specifically evil "spirits" haunting a place), calling upon Christ and all that stuff. Even though the Bible has been used to justify all sorts of bad actions, inquisitions, etc., there's still a lot of light and a lot of power in it.
Also, from what I know about shamanic traditions, they typically advise people to go to an MD first, before consulting the wizard, but if the Western route fails they then send the person to the shaman. Hope this helps, good luck.
fractal enchantment said:I dont think the bible has any light whatsoever in it that doesnt come from you. You relate to the bibe as a thing of light..you give the bible any power that it has. The bible is just bunch of paper and ink. Nothing more. Without a human to make sense of the symbols and relate to them, they are completey meaningless.
Your certainty that what you are experiencing is not possibly a product of your mind is troubling. I’m not even convinced that my everyday reality is indeed “real”, and here you are insisting that these subjective phenomena are real!avatar said:...it is real and independant of my Self and that fact does not disempower me, as you can see i am taking appropriate action and seeking the guidance and support of enrolling my fellow man to assist me in this, i am refusing to be a victim and i am taking as much action on the pysical level as i possible can, but thanks anyway
Talk to this "entity" know its a part of you just like everything else in this universe. Ask its name, what its intention is all while in active and receptive mediation when it next occurs. Be receptive and responsive. Ask then allow it to use your thoughts to respond, in other words listen to your thoughts do not think, so much. Enter into Dialog with it, see where it goes. See what happens, Its a person, just like any person.
i really don't think that its concerned for my well
being, so anyways the attempted infused snore sounds lasts a second or 2 till i jolt or turn sides, then a minute
later it happens again, this happened last night and the night before like 5 or 6 times each before i finally fell
back to sleep again
gibran2 said:Your certainty that what you are experiencing is not possibly a product of your mind is troubling. I’m not even convinced that my everyday reality is indeed “real”, and here you are insisting that these subjective phenomena are real!
Dorge said:Its interesting... There are some people in the world that have spiritualist belief systems. These folks like avatar here have these sorts of experiences all the time... entire nations of people. Jesus go to brazil sometime! These experiences and Avatars beliefs are extremely common there.
Dorge said:I do not think your mentally ill, But it is true that many pre-psychotic people or people diagnosed with psychosis NOS even when medicated have many of their hallucinations and voices occur at bed time like your describing. But because of your beliefs I do not think this is the case... they are also usually followed by delusional thinking which I have not read and can usually spot pretty quickly. And as I said many people around the world share the same beliefs and experiences you have.
JasperRain said:In different parts of the world there are obviously many belief systems. It seems to me that the divider between spiritualism/realism is based upon wealth of the nation along with their educational standards. Humankind has always sought to understand the world--at first it was described as being made by Gods and Goddesses, thunder and lightning were signs of a troubled God ect... In western culture we now know this is obviously untrue, while many parts of the world (whom are considered to be underdeveloped) still believe this. In the dark ages schizophrenics were thought to be demon possessed, and someone who was bi-polar was a tool of the devil. So, while western cultures views may be in the minority, I faithfully put more stock into it's beliefs.