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Is "breaking through" worth it?
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Thanks to everyone who posted. Thanks Gibran2 that was a pretty extreme experience you related.
I've decided that I do want to make the effort to break through now "at least once in my life". However, realistically I think I'll still have to get it done in one hit as Soulfood suggested otherwise as I'll just change my mind "half way to eternity" as usual.
It seems I have two options if I want to break-through on vaped spice.
1) Buy a GVG
2) Adjust my technique with the vaporstar and bong to allow me to get a full breakthrough dose in one hit.
Option 1) doesn't require much discussion at this point in time, in all likelihood it will work. It will just cost me 100 euro.
Option 2) has the advantage that I already have everything I need to try it immediately so that seems the most appealing option right now.
With that in mind does anyone have any experience trying to break-through in one hit using the vaporstar? Is it achievable, if so how did you do it?
What I'm thinking I might try is a technique of toking continuously on the vaporstar and getting as much vapor into the bong as possible, while getting as little in my lungs as possible. This method should, I imagine, build up a nice thick white a cloud of vapor in the bong. I'll be unable to completely avoid inhaling some vapor of course so, when I start to lose co-ordination from the spice I'll remove my finger from the carb-hole and take the full of the bong of vapor in one mighty/desperate lungful. :lol:
Does this sound like a likely plan? I hope so because if it doesn't blast me to hyperspace in one go I doubt I'll have the gumption or the co-ordination to repeat the procedure for a second hit.
P.S Will whether or not there is water in the bong have any baring on how long the vapor stays suspended in the air before condensing on the sides or dissolving into the water? I figure the longer the vapor stays suspended in the bong the longer I have to build up a dense cloud for the hit.
I've decided that I do want to make the effort to break through now "at least once in my life". However, realistically I think I'll still have to get it done in one hit as Soulfood suggested otherwise as I'll just change my mind "half way to eternity" as usual.
It seems I have two options if I want to break-through on vaped spice.
1) Buy a GVG
2) Adjust my technique with the vaporstar and bong to allow me to get a full breakthrough dose in one hit.
Option 1) doesn't require much discussion at this point in time, in all likelihood it will work. It will just cost me 100 euro.
Option 2) has the advantage that I already have everything I need to try it immediately so that seems the most appealing option right now.
With that in mind does anyone have any experience trying to break-through in one hit using the vaporstar? Is it achievable, if so how did you do it?
What I'm thinking I might try is a technique of toking continuously on the vaporstar and getting as much vapor into the bong as possible, while getting as little in my lungs as possible. This method should, I imagine, build up a nice thick white a cloud of vapor in the bong. I'll be unable to completely avoid inhaling some vapor of course so, when I start to lose co-ordination from the spice I'll remove my finger from the carb-hole and take the full of the bong of vapor in one mighty/desperate lungful. :lol:
Does this sound like a likely plan? I hope so because if it doesn't blast me to hyperspace in one go I doubt I'll have the gumption or the co-ordination to repeat the procedure for a second hit.
P.S Will whether or not there is water in the bong have any baring on how long the vapor stays suspended in the air before condensing on the sides or dissolving into the water? I figure the longer the vapor stays suspended in the bong the longer I have to build up a dense cloud for the hit.
teotenakeltje
Rising Star
the technique you describe above works like a charm! Don't worry about getting vapor in your lungs before releasing the hole, you can really suck on it till the whole bong is full with thick vapor, release,suck and....byebye!! 
This is how i managed to break true immediatly. I placed some spice on a bed of mint. I don't know the exact dose (didn't have a mg scale at the time), but i guess it must have been 20mg. It didn't look like much at all, that's why it caught me by surprise
I didn't even had the time to exhale completely...i think i even dosed a bit too much because i blacked out partially.
The experience is just hard to describe in words..i'll leave that to the more talented members here. Let's say I forgot all about my existence on earth, got teased by funny looking gnomes, merged with hyperspace, feared for my life and my loved ones, and then enjoyed the afterglow.
This is how i managed to break true immediatly. I placed some spice on a bed of mint. I don't know the exact dose (didn't have a mg scale at the time), but i guess it must have been 20mg. It didn't look like much at all, that's why it caught me by surprise
I didn't even had the time to exhale completely...i think i even dosed a bit too much because i blacked out partially.
The experience is just hard to describe in words..i'll leave that to the more talented members here. Let's say I forgot all about my existence on earth, got teased by funny looking gnomes, merged with hyperspace, feared for my life and my loved ones, and then enjoyed the afterglow.
teotenakeltje said:
Breaking True. :d
JBArk
Had a lot of run ins with those ice cream parlor girls early on . I used to get one
That looked like a shiny plastic cartoon nurse . Never what I expected .
I don't see them anymore they've been replaced by a more complex series
Of light entities . Try predosing with caapi in some form. That will get you there .
That looked like a shiny plastic cartoon nurse . Never what I expected .
I don't see them anymore they've been replaced by a more complex series
Of light entities . Try predosing with caapi in some form. That will get you there .
Felnik said:
I did pre-dose orally with 200mg Caapi extract an hour before. Next I'll be trying a 30mg sub-lingual dose a half-hour before vaping as was recommended earlier in the thread.
Felnik said:
When I saw them they looked pretty complex, they were doing the kaleidoscopic thing so I couldn't quite tell if I was seeing 5 ice-cream parlor girl entities or 1 entity morphing between multiple dimensions, but they were all smiling and so was I, so it was all good.
It's fascinating to me how much similarity of experience there seems to be in the kinds of visions that different people report having.
teotenakeltje
Rising Star
jbark said:
:d oops
teotenakeltje said:
Breaking True was my answer to the question, also!
JBArk
"oh oh ... I've done it now..!" ... that feeling of fear is all the ego can do... as God is sucking all of you into the lungs of heaven, in a giant breath ... God's inhale ... and you just wandered into it like a luminous speck... of dust ...
God sucks you in, all the way into everything that God made. ...
... and then God's exhale is what creates everything, breathing out, and atoms re-condenses back into being ... But I swear it was ALL MADE OF LOVE just before the atoms and objects formed...
... definately worth it ..!
God sucks you in, all the way into everything that God made. ...
... and then God's exhale is what creates everything, breathing out, and atoms re-condenses back into being ... But I swear it was ALL MADE OF LOVE just before the atoms and objects formed...
... definately worth it ..!
My answer to the OPs question is a categorical yes.
The difference between sub-breakthru doses and those which get you there is marked and only by experiencing it will the true power of this compound be revealed.If you only dabble with the lower doses, I think a part of you will always wonder about the fuller experience.
Mindset is key and adopting an observers attitude during the mission is the way to go.Leave interpretation for later.
The difference between sub-breakthru doses and those which get you there is marked and only by experiencing it will the true power of this compound be revealed.If you only dabble with the lower doses, I think a part of you will always wonder about the fuller experience.
Mindset is key and adopting an observers attitude during the mission is the way to go.Leave interpretation for later.
unclesyd
Rising Star
I think any fear and anxiety associated with the (break threw/true) process stems form the old ego not wanting to let itself go. And maybe related to that or is created by your ego the fear of the unknown/fear of doing some psychological/physical harm. If you know what you are doing and are prepared though I believe only good things can come from this process.
But for the properly prepared/practiced voyageur the break-threw/ego death process is not to be feared but something to yearn for and welcome into your life. Once I was in a similar position of fear/inexperience and the book (The Psychedelic Experience)(can be read for free on Erowid) by Leary/Metzer/Ram Dass(forget his real name at the moment), helped me to find my way. I am a huge advocate of this manual for spiritual growth. I also break threw/kill my ego with almost every voyage.
So to sum up if you are frightened of the break threw then you probably are not ready/prepared for it. But if these are just nervous little butterflies in your stomach then as they say go out on that stage and break a leg. Just picture all of us watching in our underwear. 8)
But for the properly prepared/practiced voyageur the break-threw/ego death process is not to be feared but something to yearn for and welcome into your life. Once I was in a similar position of fear/inexperience and the book (The Psychedelic Experience)(can be read for free on Erowid) by Leary/Metzer/Ram Dass(forget his real name at the moment), helped me to find my way. I am a huge advocate of this manual for spiritual growth. I also break threw/kill my ego with almost every voyage.
So to sum up if you are frightened of the break threw then you probably are not ready/prepared for it. But if these are just nervous little butterflies in your stomach then as they say go out on that stage and break a leg. Just picture all of us watching in our underwear. 8)
Is it worth
the intensity
of seeing
our possibilities?
Yes I say.
the intensity
of seeing
our possibilities?
Yes I say.
Ayawasqero
Rising Star
Is transcendence worth striving for? Is Paris a city? I mean, what kind of question is this to ask?
Kookaburra
Rising Star
tadgh78 said:
If it's difficult or impossible for you to get in one hit (high tolerance, etc), it might help to have a friend around to help light/hold the piece, etc. Sometimes it can be a lot easier when the only thing you have to do/think about is breathe.
fractals said:
Dosing with Harmalas and having a GVG really helps.
lowjackal
PuddinTane
gibran2 said:A breakthrough goes far beyond leprechauns and melting into walls.tadgh78 said:Really, how much better is it? Wouldn't most people consider a sub-breakthrough DMT trip to be a pretty wild ride already?
Swim has taken a strong pharma trip before and has had his ass handed to him in short order; vomiting, telepathy with the leprechauns in the walls, melting into the bathroom tiles, roaring with laughter at the absurdity of life and swims not even sure that that would be considered a "break through!"
Swims not sure he can handle a breakthrough and not sure he even wants to.
A breakthrough is obviously very hard to put into words, but I often describe mine as “participation in the eternal mystery”. It is a glimpse of what truly is. It is a sacred experience.
That was perfectly put. Once u are there, u are there for what seems like alot more than 5 to 7 min. But those moments would make a more holy bible than anything the Gideons can mass produce and distribute. If I could only get the many languages /audible forms of godlike communication on audio..hmmmm