Is DMT/AYA as scary as it sounds?

[nemo1994]

I’m new here. I just joined. I have a life I’m happy with. I don’t have any trauma but I have found myself here due to some experiences with magic mushrooms. I grew my own and it has led me to researching everything about how all this has happened. What I mean is how life has happened. I have only had great experiences from taking these mushrooms.

I have excelled in every aspect of my life since consuming these mushrooms. I have taken 3 grams total about. .2, .5 , 1.5 grams. I was seeing space ships and the moon looked like an alien head( this was from 1.5 grams). I felt like I was in a globe the stars felt so close I could touch. I realized I’m ready to “ meet “ these spirits. I have learned it’s easiest through DMT. I have read how to brew with the vine and the dmt plants. But I’m scared. My wife is scared too. I’m not scared of the experience, but I’m scared of losing my precious mind that I cherish and need for work.

I have a very professional job that requires me to think very hard to save lives. I work in an intensive care unit.

Can anyone reassure me that normal people do this type of stuff ? I just want to try DMT once in my life. I feel it has answers waiting for me and if I die without trying DMT it’s like dying without sex. Am I over worrying or is this something I should stay away from and stick to my mushrooms ?

Thank you so much for anyone who takes the time to reply. It means a lot.

 

[acacian]

You’ve probably come to the wrong place to be convinced against taking DMT. Many of us here hold down day jobs while also having a relationship with DMT. So yes it is absolutely possible to do. It’s unlikely DMT is going to unravel you, unless you are already on that trajectory.

Only you can know really. It is almost certain that DMT will change your life. How it does so is unique to the individual. Does it feel right for you to do DMT?

 

[MAGMA17]

When I first approached psychedelics I had never even smoked a cigarette or a joint and I had never gotten drunk in my life (just like I don't do it now). I have nothing in particular against those things, but this is simply to tell you that the most disparate people have had this type of experience.

I have to say that for me the encounter with DMT was not easy, it was much stronger than what I expected. It is not something you can prepare for. So do not take anything for granted.

I realized I’m ready to “ meet “ these spirits.

Better that in your mind you replace it with something more humble.

I’m not scared of the experience, but I’m scared of losing my precious mind that I cherish and need for work.

I don't think I've ever heard of someone who with just one single experience lost his mind with DMT. More experienced users may be able to correct me.

I have a very professional job that requires me to think very hard to save lives. I work in an intensive care unit.

Thank you for your precious job!

I feel it has answers waiting for me

Don't expect anything.

if I die without trying DMT it’s like dying without sex.

Both sex and DMT are ultimately nothing that important, as nothing is.

 

[Bas Sarkin]

Unless you are already psychotic and/or delusional (in which case it might very well be pushed even more to the foreground), the risks of 'losing your mind' are, I would argue, infinitesimal.

The effects of the molecule itself are temporary, about a few minutes when smoked, to a few hours when eaten combined with a maoi. After the trip: there are zero lingering effects (like head ache, blurred vision, hangover, tiredness) of the molecule itself. You can function as before. Even during the trip itself: you don't 'lose' your mind. Your consciousness will be as clear as ever.

What can upset people is the change in perspective. It gives a lot of stuff to think about, to digest, to incorporate. This can be a distraction. Approach the molecule with respect. If you eat it with a maoi, meditate beforehand, fast, take a few days off or do it in the weekend. After, again meditate. Incorporate your experience. Take a day.

The most frightening things are that all your trauma can present itself to you (you say you don't have any, but you never know what lurks in your subconsciousness). And the loss of ego, the 'ego death'. Resisting the feeling of dying, resisting the 'letting go' can give you a hell of a trip, leading to anxiety. But if you are relaxed, and let things happen, knowing for sure that you wont really die, just enjoy the trip, the visions, even when they get scary, you will have a great time.

Check out trip reports on erowid

 

[Sabnock1990]

If all you're worried about is losing your mind lol, i took this stuff daily/near daily for 4 years straight, i turned out absolutely fine though it did take about the same amount of time for me to be absolutely firmly back to baseline consciousness afterwards, and by that i simply mean that i still felt pretty connected to the space for a long while after and it was like i was still at that level of perception of things but was perfectly functional, if anything i think the Cannabis i had smoked during that time kept me in things, but then i quit Cannabis and it's like the residual DMT effects just faded away and wore off and i was back to my "usual" self, though definitely changed/better lol.

Just keep in mind that DMT in general is very intense stuff, but you can sip on DMT tea for 10 minutes or similarly "sip" on some Changa (like smoking Cannabis) for a much smoother experience overall. The only really intense part is the come up, largely owing to it's Alpha 1A Adrenergic receptor agonism, but during the experience the Alpha 1A agonism will settle down and Alpha 2A agonism seems to take over, and then things feel a bit more Psilocin-like, ime/imo. You can also add 3 to 4 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea to the mix for some added relaxative and anti-anxiety properties which will calm the nerves, make for a more comfortable, positive and smoother experience and will reduce the bodyload discomfort.

 

[Sabnock1990]

Both sex and DMT are ultimately nothing that important, as nothing is.

At least imo, i agree about the sex, not a big deal, but DMT? Shiiiiit lol, DMT for me is the most important, significant, amazing, mysterious and perhaps even secretive thing that i have ever encountered in life and i don't see that opinion changing ever lol. Lots of things in Life imo have importance and value and beauty, but what's the point if you can't see it, ya know? And maybe some people don't need DMT or anything else to fully take things in and to experience things that DMT can induce, but i'm willing to bet it's pretty rare, all things considered.

 

[MAGMA17]

At least imo, i agree about the sex, not a big deal, but DMT? Shiiiiit lol, DMT for me is the most important, significant, amazing, mysterious and perhaps even secretive thing that i have ever encountered in life and i don't see that opinion changing ever lol. Lots of things in Life imo have importance and value and beauty, but what's the point if you can't see it, ya know? And maybe some people don't need DMT or anything else to fully take things in and to experience things that DMT can induce, but i'm willing to bet it's pretty rare, all things considered.

It wasn't to belittle DMT, I fully understand the importance it can have for many people's lives. Having excluded everything from the "important" category, I have in fact taken nothing away from the DMT.

In general, it is not true that you need DMT to have a wonderful experience in life. You don't need anything other than yourself. There's nothing wrong with getting help from a plant or a molecule, but it's not mandatory. I don't think it's rare to find people who appreciate the beauty of life without DMT.

 

[Sabnock1990]

It wasn't to belittle DMT, I fully understand the importance it can have for many people's lives. Having excluded everything from the "important" category, I have in fact taken nothing away from the DMT.

In general, it is not true that you need DMT to have a wonderful experience in life. You don't need anything other than yourself. There's nothing wrong with getting help from a plant or a molecule, but it's not mandatory. I don't think it's rare to find people who appreciate the beauty of life without DMT.

Idk man, i just know that without ever having encountered DMT, i wouldn't know anything about anything lol, sure i've lived life before DMT as i have been after DMT, but i've only ever Lived when i'm working with DMT, and idk maybe that says more about me than DMT lol, but for me it's like there's life, and then there's Life, and i just can't tap into Life without something of DMT's magnitude.

When you speak from your experience though, are you referring to smoked/vaped DMT, or oral DMT, or both/other routes? I'm mainly referring to oral DMT, i've had amazing experiences with smoked/vaped (especially as Changa) as well, but oral DMT is where the teaching and study really happens, ime. Oral DMT to me is like a school, a "mystery school" of sorts, probably THE mystery school lol. I see it as some sort of hidden backdoor access to Reality and the mysteries of the universe that's been put there right within ourselves, and could likely be released when we die (perhaps even when we're born or what not), which imo would make it important as well. There's so much phenomena with DMT that i agree with McKenna, "I cannot believe that this could be kept under wraps, the way it has", "...why this is not four-inch headlines on every newspaper on the planet I cannot understand, because I don’t know what news you were waiting for, but this is the news that I was waiting for" lol.

 

[espurrr]

I don’t have any trauma

you're about to find out

 

[Panpsychic]

I’m new here. I just joined. I have a life I’m happy with. I don’t have any trauma but I have found myself here due to some experiences with magic mushrooms. I grew my own and it has led me to researching everything about how all this has happened. What I mean is how life has happened. I have only had great experiences from taking these mushrooms.

I have excelled in every aspect of my life since consuming these mushrooms. I have taken 3 grams total about. .2, .5 , 1.5 grams. I was seeing space ships and the moon looked like an alien head( this was from 1.5 grams). I felt like I was in a globe the stars felt so close I could touch. I realized I’m ready to “ meet “ these spirits. I have learned it’s easiest through DMT. I have read how to brew with the vine and the dmt plants. But I’m scared. My wife is scared too. I’m not scared of the experience, but I’m scared of losing my precious mind that I cherish and need for work.

I have a very professional job that requires me to think very hard to save lives. I work in an intensive care unit.

Can anyone reassure me that normal people do this type of stuff ? I just want to try DMT once in my life. I feel it has answers waiting for me and if I die without trying DMT it’s like dying without sex. Am I over worrying or is this something I should stay away from and stick to my mushrooms ?

Thank you so much for anyone who takes the time to reply. It means a lot.

You won't lose your mind. If you are ok with shrooms you should be fine with DMT.
That said, there is nothing that can prepare you, its is an order of magnitude more powerful than psilocybin, although this may also be due to the combined effects of the MAOI whether caapi or rue which are sacred in their own right.

"Normal people" - who wants to be like that anyway? Just sitting medicated on television no thanks, this is a key to the depths of reality.

When you speak from your experience though, are you referring to smoked/vaped DMT, or oral DMT, or both/other routes? I'm mainly referring to oral DMT, i've had amazing experiences with smoked/vaped (especially as Changa) as well, but oral DMT is where the teaching and study really happens, ime. Oral DMT to me is like a school, a "mystery school" of sorts, probably THE mystery school lol. I see it as some sort of hidden backdoor access to Reality and the mysteries of the universe that's been put there right within ourselves, and could likely be released when we die (perhaps even when we're born or what not), which imo would make it important as well. There's so much phenomena with DMT that i agree with McKenna, "I cannot believe that this could be kept under wraps, the way it has", "...why this is not four-inch headlines on every newspaper on the planet I cannot understand, because I don’t know what news you were waiting for, but this is the news that I was waiting for" lol.

Don't forget oral harmalas and then smoked DMT/Changa, a good middle ground.

I love the way you descibe it though - indeed a hidden backdoor to unravelling the mysteries of the cosmos.

A secret key to enlightenment that still requires meditation and work to be done, but takes you to the Ultimate Reality first then works back from there rather than the other way around.

The Mystery School in Hyperspace.

 

[SympatheticMoron]

Consider changa. I found it's much gentler and you can go as far as you want. Much more leisurely in my experience.

I do a 3g mullein, damiana, mint, sage blend, 300mg DMT 300mg harmine. I'll also extract a few stalks of lavender in the alcohol for a short period of time before constituting the actives into the blend. This is weaker than I see a lot of proposed blends - 10:1 vs 1:1.

I tend to low-dose 3-7mg a puff and that's that.

However, my first time on vaping freebase... might have been 30mg my instant reaction was
>nobody should do this

changa is gentle, navigable and can take you as far as you want. Easier to handle and use.

Here is an affirmation I subscribe to. Not everything you meet has your best interest in mind, don't forget that.

 

[NormPeterson]

... I’m scared of losing my precious mind that I cherish and need for work...

The fear of losing your mind is real... I’ve read that men think about sex something like once every minute and thought that that seems about right. Well, after trying DMT, sex isn’t all that is thought about every minute.

I’m actually kind of serious here.

As other have said there is little risk of not being able to think clearly; the risk is in having a whole lot more to think about.

All the best.

 

[nemo1994]

You’ve probably come to the wrong place to be convinced against taking DMT. Many of us here hold down day jobs while also having a relationship with DMT. So yes it is absolutely possible to do. It’s unlikely DMT is going to unravel you, unless you are already on that trajectory.

Only you can know really. It is almost certain that DMT will change your life. How it does so is unique to the individual. Does it feel right for you to do DMT?

I know but everyone actually seems somewhat smart on these forums. I’m looking for real experiences and it seems pretty safe from what I have gathered through the forums. I mainly wanted reassurance. It feels totally right. I just might need to ease myself in more like I did with the shrooms. .2 then .5 then 1.5.

 

[nemo1994]

When I first approached psychedelics I had never even smoked a cigarette or a joint and I had never gotten drunk in my life (just like I don't do it now). I have nothing in particular against those things, but this is simply to tell you that the most disparate people have had this type of experience.

I have to say that for me the encounter with DMT was not easy, it was much stronger than what I expected. It is not something you can prepare for. So do not take anything for granted.

Better that in your mind you replace it with something more humble.


I don't think I've ever heard of someone who with just one single experience lost his mind with DMT. More experienced users may be able to correct me.


Thank you for your precious job!


Don't expect anything.


Both sex and DMT are ultimately nothing that important, as nothing is.

Thank you for the detailed response. A few things ,

What do you mean by replace it with something humble. Like an angel? Spirits too dark ?

Your last response is very deep to me. Is it fair to say you are trying to say DMT makes you realize nothing is really important in reality? Like things you once felt were important for happiness may become not important? To think sex isn’t that important is odd to me. Maybe it’s because I haven’t had the experience ? I love sex and I’m just wondering if you could explain what you mean a little more in your last message. Thanks so much.

 

[nemo1994]

you're about to find out

lol this actually made me laugh. Thank you. I actually have a lot of trauma from childhood. I’ve spent 15 years in therapy etc. I’m actually reached it in life without psychedelics but I had to face my trauma. I am curious if anything I don’t remember will come up like sexual abuse. But it wouldn’t scare me and I already have opened up the idea and have comes to terms with that being a possibility. I needed to face all my traumas so I can break the cycle with my wife when I have a child some day. I’m looking forward to seeing if anything I have subconsciously blocked out comes up. Although I’m still not afraid of it. It’s definitely calling my name.

 

[nemo1994]

Unless you are already psychotic and/or delusional (in which case it might very well be pushed even more to the foreground), the risks of 'losing your mind' are, I would argue, infinitesimal.

The effects of the molecule itself are temporary, about a few minutes when smoked, to a few hours when eaten combined with a maoi. After the trip: there are zero lingering effects (like head ache, blurred vision, hangover, tiredness) of the molecule itself. You can function as before. Even during the trip itself: you don't 'lose' your mind. Your consciousness will be as clear as ever.

What can upset people is the change in perspective. It gives a lot of stuff to think about, to digest, to incorporate. This can be a distraction. Approach the molecule with respect. If you eat it with a maoi, meditate beforehand, fast, take a few days off or do it in the weekend. After, again meditate. Incorporate your experience. Take a day.

The most frightening things are that all your trauma can present itself to you (you say you don't have any, but you never know what lurks in your subconsciousness). And the loss of ego, the 'ego death'. Resisting the feeling of dying, resisting the 'letting go' can give you a hell of a trip, leading to anxiety. But if you are relaxed, and let things happen, knowing for sure that you wont really die, just enjoy the trip, the visions, even when they get scary, you will have a great time.

Check out trip reports on erowid

Your response was so much to the point and concise haha. Really explained it all so well as if you knew exactly what I was looking to hear. And although I don’t know you, I trust your response. Thank you for the insight

 

[nemo1994]

If all you're worried about is losing your mind lol, i took this stuff daily/near daily for 4 years straight, i turned out absolutely fine though it did take about the same amount of time for me to be absolutely firmly back to baseline consciousness afterwards, and by that i simply mean that i still felt pretty connected to the space for a long while after and it was like i was still at that level of perception of things but was perfectly functional, if anything i think the Cannabis i had smoked during that time kept me in things, but then i quit Cannabis and it's like the residual DMT effects just faded away and wore off and i was back to my "usual" self, though definitely changed/better lol.

Just keep in mind that DMT in general is very intense stuff, but you can sip on DMT tea for 10 minutes or similarly "sip" on some Changa (like smoking Cannabis) for a much smoother experience overall. The only really intense part is the come up, largely owing to it's Alpha 1A Adrenergic receptor agonism, but during the experience the Alpha 1A agonism will settle down and Alpha 2A agonism seems to take over, and then things feel a bit more Psilocin-like, ime/imo. You can also add 3 to 4 grams of dried Lemon Balm leaf tea to the mix for some added relaxative and anti-anxiety properties which will calm the nerves, make for a more comfortable, positive and smoother experience and will reduce the bodyload discomfort.

Wow I didn’t think about sipping on tea. I have only chugged the mushroom tea I made. But since the effects are fast sipping may be best.

Do you still partake in DMT after your 4 years straight ? That’s kinda crazy for me to fathom no lie lol.

Would you please share a little bit about changa? It has come up a few times in this chat and I can’t find much in the search bar from a quick search. I’ll look some more but is changa just Ava vine and a dmt plant but processed differently to smoke instead of a tea like aya ?

 

[nemo1994]

You won't lose your mind. If you are ok with shrooms you should be fine with DMT.
That said, there is nothing that can prepare you, its is an order of magnitude more powerful than psilocybin, although this may also be due to the combined effects of the MAOI whether caapi or rue which are sacred in their own right.

"Normal people" - who wants to be like that anyway? Just sitting medicated on television no thanks, this is a key to the depths of reality.



Don't forget oral harmalas and then smoked DMT/Changa, a good middle ground.

I love the way you descibe it though - indeed a hidden backdoor to unravelling the mysteries of the cosmos.

A secret key to enlightenment that still requires meditation and work to be done, but takes you to the Ultimate Reality first then works back from there rather than the other way around.

The Mystery School in Hyperspace.

This is the keys to a depth of reality is deep. I have been feeling that with psilocybin very low doses. It’s weird it’s known as this crazy drug shrooms I mean at least in my social circle yet it has changed my life in a matter of weeks. I’m such a better person from my experiences in every aspect.

Changa has come up quite a bit. I need to do more research on that.

 

[nemo1994]

Consider changa. I found it's much gentler and you can go as far as you want. Much more leisurely in my experience.

I do a 3g mullein, damiana, mint, sage blend, 300mg DMT 300mg harmine. I'll also extract a few stalks of lavender in the alcohol for a short period of time before constituting the actives into the blend. This is weaker than I see a lot of proposed blends - 10:1 vs 1:1.

I tend to low-dose 3-7mg a puff and that's that.

However, my first time on vaping freebase... might have been 30mg my instant reaction was
>nobody should do this

changa is gentle, navigable and can take you as far as you want. Easier to handle and use.

Here is an affirmation I subscribe to. Not everything you meet has your best interest in mind, don't forget that.

Can you link me to a post where I can find information on making something like you mentioned ? I’m confused on what changa is and is that recipe for the 10:1 “changa “ to me that just sounds like aya vine and a dmt plant? How is it smoked lol. I’ve read about the teks. I don’t mind reading myself. I just don’t know where to start exactly. The ability to smoke 3-7 mg a puff seems like a great way to control it. I like that. So is that .3 grams dmt like mimosa bark and .3 grams aya vine ?

 

[nemo1994]

Consider changa. I found it's much gentler and you can go as far as you want. Much more leisurely in my experience.

I do a 3g mullein, damiana, mint, sage blend, 300mg DMT 300mg harmine. I'll also extract a few stalks of lavender in the alcohol for a short period of time before constituting the actives into the blend. This is weaker than I see a lot of proposed blends - 10:1 vs 1:1.

I tend to low-dose 3-7mg a puff and that's that.

However, my first time on vaping freebase... might have been 30mg my instant reaction was
>nobody should do this

changa is gentle, navigable and can take you as far as you want. Easier to handle and use.

Here is an affirmation I subscribe to. Not everything you meet has your best interest in mind, don't forget that.

Appreciate the video too. I listened a few times. Totally resonate.

I have read more on changa. What are your ratios for the mint, mullein , sage, and damiana ? Like equal parts to be 3 grams ? Also how do you know you’re doing 3-7mg? Do you just weigh 3-7 mg per hit in a bowl with the final dried changa?