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Is DMT/AYA as scary as it sounds?

The fear of losing your mind is real... I’ve read that men think about sex something like once every minute and thought that that seems about right. Well, after trying DMT, sex isn’t all that is thought about every minute. :)

I’m actually kind of serious here.

As other have said there is little risk of not being able to think clearly; the risk is in having a whole lot more to think about.

All the best.
Very interesting connection to thinking about sex. Does dmt make sex seem pointless or something?
 
Great story, @nemo1994

I work a professional technical job, where I have to remain sharp mentally to excel. DMT was my first psychedelic experience, and likely the only substance I will take (perhaps mushrooms but I haven't really gotten around to studying that). I can't imagine anything topping it TBH. It just works for my lifestyle and doesn't slow me down. It's had no impact on my ability to perform at work, and in fact I've never performed better, although I do credit a book called "Reality Transurfing" for the concepts I put into practice, a meditation program called TRIPP on Oculus to prepare me for my day, and DMT for opening my mind to new ideas.

You just have to understand that if you break-through you have to wait it out, and there is no real concept of time in this place that you'll be able to refer to. I am very respectful of this substance and will not go in rushed (done it) or with an agenda (done it) anymore. The last time I went in (agenda), which was a few months ago, I didn't have the most wonderful trip (it was dark and a warning to not come back with an agenda. Perhaps I'll write about it at some point), but I always keep my dose to 1 single long puff (about 10-15mg) on my vape screen, and thankfully so on that day. For the most part though, it's been a wonderful and beneficial experience. 😊

It's non-addictive (bonus) and I've honestly never seen or felt anything so beautiful as I have on a DMT trip with earbuds in and certain songs that I feel really enhance the experience. Sometimes I think I need that to balance out the world we exist in. The benefits for me are long lasting.
 
What do you mean by replace it with something humble. Like an angel? Spirits too dark ?
No, no :LOL: I say it's simply better not to go there with all this certainty like "I realized I am ready", since you actually know nothing about it. What you need is courage (which doesn't mean being fearless) and respect.

Your last response is very deep to me. Is it fair to say you are trying to say DMT makes you realize nothing is really important in reality?
It's something that was already dawning in my mind before knowing the existence of DMT, but certainly after my psychedelic experiences and after having deepened my knowledge (still small) of Eastern and Western philosophies, this idea has increased .

Like things you once felt were important for happiness may become not important?
It depends on where you are in your life and your level of awareness. Surely if you think having a cool car is a big deal, this might go away (I hope). :ROFLMAO:

To think sex isn’t that important is odd to me. Maybe it’s because I haven’t had the experience ? I love sex and I’m just wondering if you could explain what you mean a little more in your last message. Thanks so much.
Obviously I'm interested in sex too and it's a spectacular experience. You shouldn't take what I said as something that makes you "snub" everything, but more as something that should free you from the psychological heaviness of believing you are dealing with something important. Being beautiful, exciting, profound etc... does not mean being important, which is already a very different concept. The fact that it compares different things (since if something is important means that something else isn't) makes it misleading for me.

Simply put: be light-hearted, but with respect.
 
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Everyone is different. For some people psychedelics of many kinds not just DMT can open up doors for work and growth that can be hard. You may get into it for a little while and then experiences "change" and you let it go. You may develop a regular usage of it (like many of us, but I'm confident we're a bit of a minority here).

My thought is, you'll likely be fine. It was called the "businessman's" trip for a reason.

One love
 
Wow I didn’t think about sipping on tea. I have only chugged the mushroom tea I made. But since the effects are fast sipping may be best.

Do you still partake in DMT after your 4 years straight ? That’s kinda crazy for me to fathom no lie lol.

Would you please share a little bit about changa? It has come up a few times in this chat and I can’t find much in the search bar from a quick search. I’ll look some more but is changa just Ava vine and a dmt plant but processed differently to smoke instead of a tea like aya ?

Sipping for 10 minutes is definitely a good way to go ime, whether with oral DMT, or mushroom tea, or even 4-ACO-DMT.

I haven't dove nearly as deep into things as i did during my 4 year excursion lol, but i have taken it on occasion and lately have been feeling like getting back into things again. Don't get me wrong, it probably was a bit "excessive" to go at it like i did but it really wasn't any issue, for me at least, things get cleaner and clearer with regular consumption and things naturally unfold as you go along, plus it's the only real Entheogen/Psychedelic as far as i know that really has no tolerance lol.

Changa is basically freebased DMT with Harmalas or Rue or Caapi. Typically for the Harmalas one uses freebased Harmala extract or freebased full spectrum Rue or Caapi extract, but people also use the Caapi leaves or make a like 10x concentrated Caapi leaf (made iirc by extracting 10 grams of Caapi leaf in water and evaporating it onto 1 gram of plain Caapi leaf), some people even use Rue seeds, or some Caapi vine shavings, though one can also evaporate a dose of Rue tea (or alternatively a dose of Caapi tea) to a residue/paste and smoke the residue/paste. One can also consume the Harmalas or Rue or Caapi orally, or sublingually or even nasally, and then smoke/vape DMT. In general though, Changa refers mainly to smokeable DMT with smokeable Harmalas. The term "vaporhuasca" refers to oral Harmalas with smokeable DMT. The way i see it though, Harmalas and DMT are Harmalas and DMT no matter the route of administration/consumption, even though there can be some differences between the different ROA's as far as the onset and some of the feel goes, but no matter the ROA i get pretty much the same benefits for the most part.
 
Very interesting connection to thinking about sex. Does dmt make sex seem pointless or something?
Oh sorry, I didn’t mean any connection with sex itself. I was referring to DMT as an obsession like that made up stat about how often we think about sex. I take it as saying men are obsessed with sex, and I’ve always thought it’s a criticism where men waste some of their mental capacity.

The fear of losing your mind to psychedelics is generally about the fear of getting to a point where your tripping all the time and never to return. I was trying to be funny pointing out that being obsessed with something is another way to loose a bit of your mind.

One of the things I absolutely love about DMT by itself is the sudden return from the trip. When I open my eyes and I tell my wife that “I’m back” really completes the journey. It gives me confidence that I didn’t loose my mind. As for other psychedelics and DMT with an MOAI that is not the case. Others here talk about how great changa is (and I agree), but I loose that immediate return to reality. Instead my mind swirls around and clear thoughts only gradually return. This keeps vaped DMT special to me.
 
Oh sorry, I didn’t mean any connection with sex itself. I was referring to DMT as an obsession like that made up stat about how often we think about sex. I take it as saying men are obsessed with sex, and I’ve always thought it’s a criticism where men waste some of their mental capacity.

The fear of losing your mind to psychedelics is generally about the fear of getting to a point where your tripping all the time and never to return. I was trying to be funny pointing out that being obsessed with something is another way to loose a bit of your mind.

One of the things I absolutely love about DMT by itself is the sudden return from the trip. When I open my eyes and I tell my wife that “I’m back” really completes the journey. It gives me confidence that I didn’t loose my mind. As for other psychedelics and DMT with an MOAI that is not the case. Others here talk about how great changa is (and I agree), but I loose that immediate return to reality. Instead my mind swirls around and clear thoughts only gradually return. This keeps vaped DMT special to me.
This is all so fascinating to me. It makes sense. I’m confused on your last part. Are you saying pure DMT is shorter than Changa? I didn’t think you could do DMT without a Maoi. Are you saying just smoking pure dmt like mimosa bark is shorter acting experience? Can you just smoke the ground up bark? It’s so much to learn so sorry if I’m asking too many questions. I will have to do more research. I’ve spent a good deal of time but it’s so much to learn. Appreciate any help. I’m guessing to smoke I need to alter the plant I can’t just smoke mimosa bark right?

If I’m understanding, Changa is mixed with a maio ( capi, rue) or Harmalas Pure and then mixed with dmt source like mimosa bark? I got lost when you said Changa lasts while compared to dmt itself.
 
Sipping for 10 minutes is definitely a good way to go ime, whether with oral DMT, or mushroom tea, or even 4-ACO-DMT.

I haven't dove nearly as deep into things as i did during my 4 year excursion lol, but i have taken it on occasion and lately have been feeling like getting back into things again. Don't get me wrong, it probably was a bit "excessive" to go at it like i did but it really wasn't any issue, for me at least, things get cleaner and clearer with regular consumption and things naturally unfold as you go along, plus it's the only real Entheogen/Psychedelic as far as i know that really has no tolerance lol.

Changa is basically freebased DMT with Harmalas or Rue or Caapi. Typically for the Harmalas one uses freebased Harmala extract or freebased full spectrum Rue or Caapi extract, but people also use the Caapi leaves or make a like 10x concentrated Caapi leaf (made iirc by extracting 10 grams of Caapi leaf in water and evaporating it onto 1 gram of plain Caapi leaf), some people even use Rue seeds, or some Caapi vine shavings, though one can also evaporate a dose of Rue tea (or alternatively a dose of Caapi tea) to a residue/paste and smoke the residue/paste. One can also consume the Harmalas or Rue or Caapi orally, or sublingually or even nasally, and then smoke/vape DMT. In general though, Changa refers mainly to smokeable DMT with smokeable Harmalas. The term "vaporhuasca" refers to oral Harmalas with smokeable DMT. The way i see it though, Harmalas and DMT are Harmalas and DMT no matter the route of administration/consumption, even though there can be some differences between the different ROA's as far as the onset and some of the feel goes, but no matter the ROA i get pretty much the same benefits for the most part.
Thank you so much for your insights and explanation on Changa. I really appreciate your time.
 
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Everyone is different. For some people psychedelics of many kinds not just DMT can open up doors for work and growth that can be hard. You may get into it for a little while and then experiences "change" and you let it go. You may develop a regular usage of it (like many of us, but I'm confident we're a bit of a minority here).

My thought is, you'll likely be fine. It was called the "businessman's" trip for a reason.

One love
Thank You for providing this other perspective.

Everyone is different. For some people psychedelics of many kinds not just DMT can open up doors for work and growth that can be hard. You may get into it for a little while and then experiences "change" and you let it go. You may develop a regular usage of it (like many of us, but I'm confident we're a bit of a minority here).

My thought is, you'll likely be fine. It was called the "businessman's" trip for a reason.

One love
thank you for sharing that link. Definitely gives insight to this powerful medicine. Appreciate you.
 
No, no :LOL: I say it's simply better not to go there with all this certainty like "I realized I am ready", since you actually know nothing about it. What you need is courage (which doesn't mean being fearless) and respect.


It's something that was already dawning in my mind before knowing the existence of DMT, but certainly after my psychedelic experiences and after having deepened my knowledge (still small) of Eastern and Western philosophies, this idea has increased .


It depends on where you are in your life and your level of awareness. Surely if you think having a cool car is a big deal, this might go away (I hope). :ROFLMAO:


Obviously I'm interested in sex too and it's a spectacular experience. You shouldn't take what I said as something that makes you "snub" everything, but more as something that should free you from the psychological heaviness of believing you are dealing with something important. Being beautiful, exciting, profound etc... does not mean being important, which is already a very different concept. The fact that it compares different things (since if something is important means that something else isn't) makes it misleading for me.

Simply put: be light-hearted, but with respect.
Thank you for really taking the time to break down every point and leave nothing I asked un answered. It really means a lot to me in better understanding this entire process. I already have insane awareness but you comparing it to driving a fancy car really helped put it into prospective. I already make a good chunk of money and drive a 2013 Toyota Corolla but your message is bigger and I get it. Thanks so much once again ❤️
 
Consider changa. I found it's much gentler and you can go as far as you want. Much more leisurely in my experience.

I do a 3g mullein, damiana, mint, sage blend, 300mg DMT 300mg harmine. I'll also extract a few stalks of lavender in the alcohol for a short period of time before constituting the actives into the blend. This is weaker than I see a lot of proposed blends - 10:1 vs 1:1.

I tend to low-dose 3-7mg a puff and that's that.

However, my first time on vaping freebase... might have been 30mg my instant reaction was
>nobody should do this

changa is gentle, navigable and can take you as far as you want. Easier to handle and use.

Here is an affirmation I subscribe to. Not everything you meet has your best interest in mind, don't forget that.
Can you please send me a message. I’ve tried pming you and it won’t let me for some reason . I have all the ingredients you listed. I want to try and make a 10:1 extract changa to ease my way in. I love your dosages for things. Can you help me with a few questions? I’ve done quite a bit of research.
 
Feel free to ask those questions here in this thread, and also remember to have a read of the changa subforum:
 
I’m new here. I just joined. I have a life I’m happy with. I don’t have any trauma but I have found myself here due to some experiences with magic mushrooms. I grew my own and it has led me to researching everything about how all this has happened. What I mean is how life has happened. I have only had great experiences from taking these mushrooms.

I have excelled in every aspect of my life since consuming these mushrooms. I have taken 3 grams total about. .2, .5 , 1.5 grams. I was seeing space ships and the moon looked like an alien head( this was from 1.5 grams). I felt like I was in a globe the stars felt so close I could touch. I realized I’m ready to “ meet “ these spirits. I have learned it’s easiest through DMT. I have read how to brew with the vine and the dmt plants. But I’m scared. My wife is scared too. I’m not scared of the experience, but I’m scared of losing my precious mind that I cherish and need for work.

I have a very professional job that requires me to think very hard to save lives. I work in an intensive care unit.

Can anyone reassure me that normal people do this type of stuff ? I just want to try DMT once in my life. I feel it has answers waiting for me and if I die without trying DMT it’s like dying without sex. Am I over worrying or is this something I should stay away from and stick to my mushrooms ?

Thank you so much for anyone who takes the time to reply. It means a lot.
I'm a college student with a decent little part time job on top of that, I have a dmt cart and it's my second I've owned - first tried dmt off a friends cart at a music festival but also tried it a few other times before investing in my own.

I actually use it once every morning and around 30 minutes before bed, it gets me really in tune with my body and other than that it's just a lovely and lively experience (like the 2 other psychedelics I've had. The great thing about dmt & why it's easily the best psychedelic (in my opinion lol) as well as the ideal starting psychedelic - is the duration and control you have over how much you are going to trip (especially with a cartridge). A 3 second hit and you just feel very vitalized, airy, and it's like a standard psychedelic experience for a mere 10 minutes with a 30 minute afterglow. You can push it to a 8 second hit and you will trip pretty hard but once again a several minute trip, following this with further hits and you can close your eyes and experience unbelievable things - so unbelievable that it makes you all the more grateful once you start coming down and bloop, you're still in your room, still breathing, still have your loved ones and a whole life ahead of you.

So I think the control you have over what you are intaking will get you comfortable with it, you most definitely won't lose your mind and you seem to have a good soul so you won't be toxic with the experience. Though I am just a silly college student going for a horticulture degree on the internet - overall though enjoy whatever you plan on chief.

Much love
 
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