Is DMT experience similar to Picture Arts?

[goodone22]

I have not used DMT yet...only one time and it didn't work.
but i'd like to know Is What you see on DMT all alike to DMT gallery?
i mean is there even a real world like human world on DMT?
Or is What you see always like distorted art environment?

 

[Ashtray770]

I have not used DMT yet...only one time and it didn't work.
but i'd like to know Is What you see on DMT all alike to DMT gallery?
i mean is there even a real world like human world on DMT?
Or is What you see always like distorted art environment?

You're just gonna have to try it to find out

 

[Positivity]

I guess you'd have to ask each artist, but there is some imagery in the gallery that resonates with me as things I've also experienced, some not.

I have seen very detailed things in completely alien environments, deep, forgotten memories, and dreamlike narrative experiences all completely removed from consensus reality, but I think the important thing to remember is that whatever we experience has to be translated into something we can process with our human capabilities. This isn't a basic 'blink and you'll miss it' hallucination where you mistake a shadow for your cat, it's an entire experience that we then have to simplify into the reductionist version we can take 'home' with us.

At 'sub breakthrough' levels, including the 'landing' from breakthrough levels, consensus reality phases back in and there is a sense of a hidden world 'on top' of it.

I think everyone's experience, and their description of that experience, will differ, though!

 

[Cannabiss]

Depends on dose but if you do 20 mg and more through the vaporizer this world stop to exist and you getting to another world, or "hyperspace".
You could see fractals, mandalas, entities.
Just try it and find out!
Better to see something once than to hear about it a hundred times.

 

[goodone22]

Depends on dose but if you do 20 mg and more through the vaporizer this world stop to exist and you getting to another world, or "hyperspace".
You could see fractals, mandalas, entities.
Just try it and find out!
Better to see something once than to hear about it a hundred times.

I am also helping those people who don't want drugs at all.they may use what we answer to these questions and find them helpful .

 

[justb612]

this might help or someone here might find this interesting

i resemble with the part where the gemoetry comes, it goes in very far, when i was tripping it was like an infinite universe, so far that moon and sun are close compared to how big and vast that place is...

 

[goodone22]

this might help or someone here might find this interesting

i resemble with the part where the gemoetry comes, it goes in very far, when i was tripping it was like an infinite universe, so far that moon and sun are close compared to how big and vast that place is...

I understand this kind of imagery, but what i am looking for is real human world.
why every one talking like there is so much real world in DMT but on the other hand there is just fractals and some kind of demons.

 

[fink]

When two experienced travelers try to describe what they have seen to each other the vocabulary often falls short. Trying to understand a description of DMT when you've not experienced it is pretty much a futile endeavour

 

[Tryptamin]

DMT is the real world. But this is another world than our's.
Mostly you see fractals, entities.

 

[goodone22]

When two experienced travelers try to describe what they have seen to each other the vocabulary often falls short. Trying to understand a description of DMT when you've not experienced it is pretty much a futile endeavour

i have experienced NDE and used some weak hallucinogens...
I know the feeling that makes us think there is so much we didn't know and now we are aware of something very real and new to the whole world no one has ever known.and you feel regretful of your past because we think thats life changing and we should know it sooner and interestingly no word is there to say what we just saw and felt and we don't know how to communicate about that with others.(maybe thats just override of our mind that feels like we cant talk or maybe thats an underlying delusion.
remember all these are just feelings no matter how much you feel,logic and reality is about reasons and accessible data not what we just thought or felt.
and i said that because feeling isn't what i am looking for in my life and its not my most important goal.
being that said,i don't see anything interesting in any video simulation of DMT,Mushroom or LSD.frankly its even disgusting to me!(forgive me if you feel offended)
but i don't deny there is a lot to know on them,or maybe thats just hallucination not something to consider and waste our mind on that.
the only thing that was interesting to me was the theory of afterlife On Dmt and eternity which if that be the real case we all are involved and i hope not!thats scary to think there is no merciful GOD and no paradise like what religions say.it feels we all are doomed.so i hope thats only our hallucination no matter how much we feel real on psychedelics.

 

[dragonrider]

When two experienced travelers try to describe what they have seen to each other the vocabulary often falls short. Trying to understand a description of DMT when you've not experienced it is pretty much a futile endeavour

Yes. And the visual aspect is only just one part of it. It is what many people focus on, but that's probably only because it is even easier to describe, than the mental aspect.

 

[goodone22]

DMT is the real world. But this is another world than our's.
Mostly you see fractals, entities.

yes thats one of theories i think about.that can be true probably.i hope you enjoy in your Lovely DMT world and i stay in my world.

 

[fink]

When two experienced travelers try to describe what they have seen to each other the vocabulary often falls short. Trying to understand a description of DMT when you've not experienced it is pretty much a futile endeavour

i have experienced NDE and used some weak hallucinogens...
I know the feeling that makes us think there is so much we didn't know and now we are aware of something very real and new to the whole world no one has ever known.and you feel regretful of your past because we think thats life changing and we should know it sooner and interestingly no word is there to say what we just saw and felt and we don't know how to communicate about that with others.(maybe thats just override of our mind that feels like we cant talk or maybe thats an underlying delusion.
remember all these are just feelings no matter how much you feel,logic and reality is about reasons and accessible data not what we just thought or felt.
and i said that because feeling isn't what i am looking for in my life and its not my most important goal.
being that said,i don't see anything interesting in any video simulation of DMT,Mushroom or LSD.frankly its even disgusting to me!(forgive me if you feel offended)
but i don't deny there is a lot to know on them,or maybe thats just hallucination not something to consider and waste our mind on that.
the only thing that was interesting to me was the theory of afterlife On Dmt and eternity which if that be the real case we all are involved and i hope not!thats scary to think there is no merciful GOD and no paradise like what religions say.it feels we all are doomed.so i hope thats only our hallucination no matter how much we feel real on psychedelics.

I like your words although I disagree strongly on a number of points here. Unless you have experienced something for yourself there is not really any advantage in us debating it.

I do sense a subtle hostility towards DMT use from you. I wonder if that is a product of uncertainty about your statement that reality is all about reason and accessible data. Having that potentially shattered would be difficult to intergrate. So yes it might be the best plan to stay away from certain substances, especially DMT. Your reality is yours to believe however you choose. If it is working for you, dont change it.

 

[Positivity]

Your reality is yours to believe however you choose. If it is working for you, dont change it.

Brilliant. For me, wrestling with this concept has been so profound. I have heard this said many times over many years, but didn't actually understand it until this year. Understanding that who I 'am' is quite literally my own construct felt like the first time I rode a bike.

 

[Tryptamin]

What if is your reality is not reality?

 

[Voidmatrix]

Your reality is yours to believe however you choose. If it is working for you, dont change it.

Brilliant. For me, wrestling with this concept has been so profound. I have heard this said many times over many years, but didn't actually understand it until this year. Understanding that who I 'am' is quite literally my own construct felt like the first time I rode a bike.

There's some balance to be had here if we're going to concede to the probability of other minds existing in the same milieu. Hence why we research different topics. Reality is likely not all "relative" but a mix of objectivity, relativity, and subjectivity, on various layers of "existence."

And shouldn't beliefs be steeped more in "truth" rather than convenience, ie, shouldn't we be aiming to believe what is "true?"

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[fink]

Your reality is yours to believe however you choose. If it is working for you, dont change it.

Brilliant. For me, wrestling with this concept has been so profound. I have heard this said many times over many years, but didn't actually understand it until this year. Understanding that who I 'am' is quite literally my own construct felt like the first time I rode a bike.

There's some balance to be had here if we're going to concede to the probability of other minds existing in the same milieu. Hence why we research different topics. Reality is likely not all "relative" but a mix of objectivity, relativity, and subjectivity, on various layers of "existence."

And shouldn't beliefs be steeped more in "truth" rather than convenience, ie, shouldn't we be aiming to believe what is "true?"

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I think belief is actually the opposite. I would classify truth as knowledge.

Belief is something I dont need any proof for. Truth I will find with the scientific method. Belief comes from somewhere untouchable.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Your reality is yours to believe however you choose. If it is working for you, dont change it.

Brilliant. For me, wrestling with this concept has been so profound. I have heard this said many times over many years, but didn't actually understand it until this year. Understanding that who I 'am' is quite literally my own construct felt like the first time I rode a bike.

There's some balance to be had here if we're going to concede to the probability of other minds existing in the same milieu. Hence why we research different topics. Reality is likely not all "relative" but a mix of objectivity, relativity, and subjectivity, on various layers of "existence."

And shouldn't beliefs be steeped more in "truth" rather than convenience, ie, shouldn't we be aiming to believe what is "true?"

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I think belief is actually the opposite. I would classify truth as knowledge.

Belief is something I dont need any proof for. Truth I will find with the scientific method. Belief comes from somewhere untouchable.

Eh... I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on this.



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[dragonrider]

I think a certain level of convenience can be an indication of truth. If you look at navigating your way through life as basically a continuous series of experiments, then failure or succes is to some extent an indication of your hypotheses being correct or incorrect.

I'm not saying rich people know the truth here though :lol:

But i mean, the word "truth" is a human concept. It is a word, born, like all words and concepts, from human experience. And human experience is most likely rooted in how the brain works.
And it appears that our brains are constructing our reality, by constantly making predictions on the basis of incoming information, and then checking these predictions for errors.

So this is probably, on a very basic level, what "truth" means to us: seeing our hypotheses about the nature reality being confirmed by experience.

It's probably way more complicated than that, but i think that this is probably where our concept of truth is founded in.

 

[Voidmatrix]

It's probably way more complicated than that...

This is kind of what I was hinting at.



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