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Is mhrb quality dropping?

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DeMenTed

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Barry
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Hi nexians, When swim first started extracting from mhrb he was consistantly getting a 1%+ yield but his most recent extraction he only got 600mg after wash and re-x from 200g of mhrb. This is a terrible yield imo. When he did the wash he noticed that the sc solution had lots of fibrous material in it which in the past wasn't there.

He is wondering if to boost profits that certain companies are adding something to the mhrb? Or is the mhrb arriving from brazil like this? I wont mention any company names but imo their mhrb has decreased by at least half the quality of their product. I hope this isn't a trend that will spread to other suppliers.

Is there any other reason except maximising profits that the mhrb quality has gone down? Is anyone else experiencing this?

Thanks Nexus :)
 
I always purchase my MHRB in whole pieces. I grind my own. That insures there are no additives. As for the quality of the whole bark? The vendor I use has been consitent for the last 3 years. Hi Quality MHRB
 
You win some you lose some.

The harvest and curing process for MHRB is literally thousands of miles away from the automated consistency our society is used too. More often than not the bark is good but on occasion it can be effected by many variables.

I had a shit yield about 9 months ago, then my last two have been great.
 
Yields can vary by times of harvest i.e yields might be better during the spring or summer months and drop off during winter or after the rainy season. It happens with Rue and quite a few other plants

Don't know how it works for MHRB but I too have had shit yields from one batch while great yields from another and noticed the 'shit yeilder' was purchased around October while the 'good yielder' was purchased during March.
 
geeg30 said:
Don't know how it works for MHRB but I too have had shit yields from one batch while great yields from another and noticed the 'shit yeilder' was purchased around October while the 'good yielder' was purchased during March.
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Those dates actually match with the quality of cactus I've purchased too.
 
Maybe it is a seasonal thing but my instinct tells me something more sinister is going on :(
 
why would something more sinister be going on? Did you know mimosa is dirt cheap in northeast brazil? Its abundant, and it's main use is actually for firewood and for making fences, uses which are unsustainable and still done in mass scale. On the other hand, ethnobotanical suppliers use the roots which can be harvested sustainably. If mimosa rootbark was an expensive product, rare, it would make sense, but its not.

I dont know those suppliers personally, so I cant be sure of anything, but I know people that live around that area and know that there's mimosa in abundance and cheap
 
You're probably right there endlessness. It's probably my cynical mind thinking the worst :)

As DMT becomes more popular it does worry me that some unscrupulous vendors will pop up, obviously i hope this doesn't happen though. Thanks nexus.
 
This could be a ploy but my supplier switched to mexican mhrb due to his brazil supplier weighing down his product with some other junk. He stated the mex yeilding 20-30% more than his current brazilian mhrb. Who knows if its bullshit. I've yet to try his mex mhrb.
 
hyperspacing said:
This could be a ploy but my supplier switched to mexican mhrb due to his brazil supplier weighing down his product with some other junk. He stated the mex yeilding 20-30% more than his current brazilian mhrb. Who knows if its bullshit. I've yet to try his mex mhrb.
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I would not use a supplier who is discussing yield as that signals knowledge/intent of illicit actions...as far as whether or not his Brazilian supplier was adding stuff to the mhrb, I dunno, it seems suspicious. How did he discover it was full of "other junk"? Did he try to communicate with the seller? There's a lot of information missing from this story.

There doesn't seem to be much reason, to my mind anyway, for any supplier to adulterate their mhrb...the raw product isn't very pricey and whether the consumer is using the product for dye, incense, or extraction the adulterants will be discovered relatively quickly leading to lost future sales, poor seller reviews, etc.
 
SnozzleBerry said:
hyperspacing said:
This could be a ploy but my supplier switched to mexican mhrb due to his brazil supplier weighing down his product with some other junk. He stated the mex yeilding 20-30% more than his current brazilian mhrb. Who knows if its bullshit. I've yet to try his mex mhrb.
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I would not use a supplier who is discussing yield as that signals knowledge/intent of illicit actions...as far as whether or not his Brazilian supplier was adding stuff to the mhrb, I dunno, it seems suspicious. How did he discover it was full of "other junk"? Did he try to communicate with the seller? There's a lot of information missing from this story.

There doesn't seem to be much reason, to my mind anyway, for any supplier to adulterate their mhrb...the raw product isn't very pricey and whether the consumer is using the product for dye, incense, or extraction the adulterants will be discovered relatively quickly leading to lost future sales, poor seller reviews, etc.
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I copied this from his page
"I've changed to mexican bark, (if you ordered over the past month you got mexican bark but i didnt update the page yet). It's fresher, much more potent, and much higher quality, youll get at least 20-30% more out of mexican bark. Last month i got a bad batch of brazilian bark and am no longer shipping brazilian because the supplier has been weighing it down by mixing it with flour or something.. AVOID BRAZILIAN BARK"

He does have a disclaimer stating its for cosmetic/incense only btw
 
hyperspacing said:
SnozzleBerry said:
hyperspacing said:
This could be a ploy but my supplier switched to mexican mhrb due to his brazil supplier weighing down his product with some other junk. He stated the mex yeilding 20-30% more than his current brazilian mhrb. Who knows if its bullshit. I've yet to try his mex mhrb.
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I would not use a supplier who is discussing yield as that signals knowledge/intent of illicit actions...as far as whether or not his Brazilian supplier was adding stuff to the mhrb, I dunno, it seems suspicious. How did he discover it was full of "other junk"? Did he try to communicate with the seller? There's a lot of information missing from this story.

There doesn't seem to be much reason, to my mind anyway, for any supplier to adulterate their mhrb...the raw product isn't very pricey and whether the consumer is using the product for dye, incense, or extraction the adulterants will be discovered relatively quickly leading to lost future sales, poor seller reviews, etc.
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I copied this from his page
"I've changed to mexican bark, (if you ordered over the past month you got mexican bark but i didnt update the page yet). It's fresher, much more potent, and much higher quality, youll get at least 20-30% more out of mexican bark. Last month i got a bad batch of brazilian bark and am no longer shipping brazilian because the supplier has been weighing it down by mixing it with flour or something.. AVOID BRAZILIAN BARK"

He does have a disclaimer stating its for cosmetic/incense only btw
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This statement doesn't tell us anything. There's just some anecdotal claims which aren't even backed up with any sort of explanation. How does he know that it wasn't weak bark due to seasonal/climate issues and has in fact been adulterated with "flower or something". One bad batch from Brazil doesnt mean anything, imo, as there is so much mhrb coming from that country (through some of the biggest names in mhrb supply which are mentioned on the nexus) that one batch from some unnamed and potentially unreliable vendor can hardly be said to be a good sampling of Brazilian mhrb. My gut says this is some kind of marketing ploy or the guy experienced some sort of problem that caused him to change his supplier and felt that this was the best way to present it to his customers. Afaik, there is no reason to "AVOID BRAZILIAN BARK" as a rule of thumb. If he was getting shafted by a Brazilian supplier, he should've ousted them by providing details of how he knows his material was adulterated and not simply weak and what exactly it was adulterated with.

sigmundfreuid, I would not worry in the least. Pedro/adenium is potentially the largest supplier of mhrb in the world and his quality has always been top of the line. If in fact you were to ask many of the vendors that are frequented by Nexians, you would be shocked to find out how many of them are resellers for Pedro (that is, they buy his mhrb at his massive bulk quantities and discounted price and then resell the bark at going market price for individual consumption).
 
I just ordered a kilo from the oaxaca region of mexico off of ebay, my last batch was from brazil yet still had good yields considering i only did two pulls. I will let the nexus know if there is any difference in quality of the regions, for i will use the same extraction technique as before.
 
SnozzleBerry said:
hyperspacing said:
SnozzleBerry said:
hyperspacing said:
This could be a ploy but my supplier switched to mexican mhrb due to his brazil supplier weighing down his product with some other junk. He stated the mex yeilding 20-30% more than his current brazilian mhrb. Who knows if its bullshit. I've yet to try his mex mhrb.
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I would not use a supplier who is discussing yield as that signals knowledge/intent of illicit actions...as far as whether or not his Brazilian supplier was adding stuff to the mhrb, I dunno, it seems suspicious. How did he discover it was full of "other junk"? Did he try to communicate with the seller? There's a lot of information missing from this story.

There doesn't seem to be much reason, to my mind anyway, for any supplier to adulterate their mhrb...the raw product isn't very pricey and whether the consumer is using the product for dye, incense, or extraction the adulterants will be discovered relatively quickly leading to lost future sales, poor seller reviews, etc.
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I copied this from his page
"I've changed to mexican bark, (if you ordered over the past month you got mexican bark but i didnt update the page yet). It's fresher, much more potent, and much higher quality, youll get at least 20-30% more out of mexican bark. Last month i got a bad batch of brazilian bark and am no longer shipping brazilian because the supplier has been weighing it down by mixing it with flour or something.. AVOID BRAZILIAN BARK"

He does have a disclaimer stating its for cosmetic/incense only btw
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This statement doesn't tell us anything. There's just some anecdotal claims which aren't even backed up with any sort of explanation. How does he know that it wasn't weak bark due to seasonal/climate issues and has in fact been adulterated with "flower or something". One bad batch from Brazil doesnt mean anything, imo, as there is so much mhrb coming from that country (through some of the biggest names in mhrb supply which are mentioned on the nexus) that one batch from some unnamed and potentially unreliable vendor can hardly be said to be a good sampling of Brazilian mhrb. My gut says this is some kind of marketing ploy or the guy experienced some sort of problem that caused him to change his supplier and felt that this was the best way to present it to his customers. Afaik, there is no reason to "AVOID BRAZILIAN BARK" as a rule of thumb. If he was getting shafted by a Brazilian supplier, he should've ousted them by providing details of how he knows his material was adulterated and not simply weak and what exactly it was adulterated with.

sigmundfreuid, I would not worry in the least. Pedro/adenium is potentially the largest supplier of mhrb in the world and his quality has always been top of the line. If in fact you were to ask many of the vendors that are frequented by Nexians, you would be shocked to find out how many of them are resellers for Pedro (that is, they buy his mhrb at his massive bulk quantities and discounted price and then resell the bark at going market price for individual consumption).
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He was one of Adenium's us suppliers. I havnt gotten any bad mhrb so who knows if its true or not. I've used him for about a year and I've been amazed at the speed, quality and price.

I agree stating avoid all brazilian mhrb is rediculous. He's been a great supplier over this last year so ill give his new mex bark a chance and ill post its potency. May be a while since I'm pretty stocked up lol.

I don't know all the facts I'm just sharing the info he posted.
 
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He was one of Adenium's us suppliers.
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Do you mean retailer, not supplier? Cuz everything thus far mentioned puts him below, not above, adenium as far as distance from source materials.

I get that you don't have all the facts, which is exactly my point. Adenium is pretty much the major supplier of top quality mhrb. It would be quite surprising to discover that suddenly they were adulterating their products or otherwise delivering subpar materials and this guy was the only one to discover it (despite not actually being sure what his product was cut with :? ). My point was that your vendor has given no useful information whatsoever as to what happened, which makes me skeptical, seeing that we are not currently hearing an outpouring of anger from other suppliers towards adenium. While it is always good to for the buyer to be aware of potential problems, there is little to no evidence of anything in this case. If you do end up going through him at some point in the future, I would be interested to see if/how the quality of his new bark differs from his old.
 
Lol obviously he isn't supplying adenium. Sorry I thought that was obvious. Adenium refers to them as "worldwide resellers". I'm also really curious about testing his mex bark. Only thing is I don't have any of his so called "cut bark" to compare it to.

Not trying to start an argument just read the post and remember reading that on my suppliers site. Is there a connection? Who knows. Its nothing I'm gonna lose sleep over.

DeMenTed where did you order your MHRB from?
 
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