Is this Jungle Spice? Would you use it? (Macro Pics inside)

[Biskotso]

Hello everyone.
This is a product crystallised from a MHRB STB extraction.
It's very orange and a bit sticky.

Is it Jungle Spice? Do you think it's OK?
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[jbark]

A quick note: there is an error in the DMT EXTRACTION overview thread - it is missing the decanting step before freeze precipping, which renders the tek pointless. Mixing your dirty spice in an NPS without separating the undesirables from the product clearly leaves them in with the DMT!

Snozzleberry will correct the error shortly.

JBArk

 

[Biskotso]

A quick note: there is an error in the DMT EXTRACTION overview thread - it is missing the decanting step before freeze precipping, which renders the tek pointless. Mixing your dirty spice in an NPS without separating the undesirables from the product clearly leaves them in with the DMT!

JBArk

I was wandering about that... Having just read through a few of these things.
I thought, "wont it all just precipitate on top of a layer of whatever it is you're separating out of the mix in the first place."

You've swooped in at just the right moment and the right place to help me on the way with doing this. After all the conflicting info overload I was kind of thinking I wouldn't bother and that I'll just make my Changa and get on with it.

Now I know how simple the re-x is I'll do it.
Thanks everyone.

Only issue is, it's about a gram so we're talking very small amounts of naptha which I just find a bit fiddly but I'm sure I'll get used to it.
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[Entropymancer]

A quick note: there is an error in the DMT EXTRACTION overview thread - it is missing the decanting step before freeze precipping, which renders the tek pointless. Mixing your dirty spice in an NPS without separating the undesirables from the product clearly leaves them in with the DMT!

I've edited the text to clarify this point.

I thought "put the nonpolar solvent in the freezer..." was clear enough. It doesn't say to throw the whole shebang in there. And the previous step said to extract with "several volumes of naphtha" and optionally "pool the extracts", both of which indicate that the nonpolar solvent is to be removed from the aqueous phase. But I can see where it would be useful to be explicit in saying that we want to separate the nonpolar solvent from the aqueous phase.

 

[jbark]

A quick note: there is an error in the DMT EXTRACTION overview thread - it is missing the decanting step before freeze precipping, which renders the tek pointless. Mixing your dirty spice in an NPS without separating the undesirables from the product clearly leaves them in with the DMT!

I've edited the text to clarify this point.

I thought "put the nonpolar solvent in the freezer..." was clear enough. It doesn't say to throw the whole shebang in there. And the previous step said to extract with "several volumes of naphtha" and optionally "pool the extracts", both of which indicate that the nonpolar solvent is to be removed from the aqueous phase. But I can see where it would be useful to be explicit in saying that we want to separate the nonpolar solvent from the aqueous phase.

Hey Entropymancer - i hadn't noticed the write up was yours. I had remarked this quite some time ago and had forgotten about it, but i re-read it when I linked Biskotso, and realized it was missing a step (or was, perhaps, unclear). The text below was cut and pasted just now, and I see no changes and cannot locate the phrases you quoted above:

Optional) Recrystallize from Hot Solvent
This will help to reduce impurities and give the product a more sharply defined melting point, but it won’t do much to reduce discoloration unless combined with activated charcoal (see below). To recrystallize, dissolve your product in a minimal volume of hot solvent (e.g. roughly 20 mL naphtha per gram of DMT) and allow the solution to cool slowly with minimal agitation. Once it has reached room temperature, transfer it to the fridge for a couple hours, then to the freezer. Though it’s not necessary, if you have a small DMT crystal on hand, you can add it to the solution to help seed the recrystallization. Regardless, a nice crop of crystals should precipitate out of solution, and can now be collected by filtration. If unsatisfied with the results of a recrystallization, you can always reheat the solvent to redissolve the DMT and reduce the solution volume, then repeat the cooling process. Naphtha is the most commonly used recrystallization solvent, but success has also been reported with hexane.

I am quoting it in its entirety just to assure that we are refering to the same passage. The rest of the writeup is of excellent quality (of course!), but i find this entry to be confusing for lack of the decanting step (the section in question is, of course, in red) . I brought it up in chat and several people concurred, so I thought I would post a caveat here. Sometimes what is clear for those to whom it is second nature can leave others questioning and confused.

I have learned pretty much everything I know about chemistry here at the nexus (still embarrassingly little, I am afraid), so I am rather an expert at being confused in these matters, and hence quite a pro at spotting those passages which may be confusing for others with even less chem or tek knowledge than myself. I hope pointing this out only serves to strengthen your posts in the wiki. :d

Cheers,

JBArk

 

[Entropymancer]

Ah, I get what you're saying, I was looking at a different section. Good catch, that definitely does need clarification.

With most recrystallizations, you either filter out the impurity, or it stays dissolved in the recrystallization solvent while the desired molecule precipitates. DMT is different, in that there's usually that sludge at the bottom, and you're correct, decanting is about the best way to separate the sludge from the dissolved goods. The post has been edited accordingly.

 

[jbark]

Thanks Entropymancer - I had a feeling we were talking about different passages. Re-Xing is such a simple process, I would hate to see anyone discouraged from neglecting to decant!

Cheers,

JBArk

@Biskotso - How did it go?

 

[Biskotso]

@Biskotso - How did it go?

I'm yet to do it. I'll probably get around to it by the weekend.
I do find it hard to pour naptha off the top of base/water/bark without pouring any of the latter.
I don't have a separation funnel so I normally use a glass turkey baster and just suck it off the top.
However, with tiny amounts this is going to be even harder, so we'll see how I get on.
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[endlessness]

Relevant to the first post and queston:

FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

 

[Biskotso]

Relevant to the first post and queston:

FAQ - DMT Frequently Asked Questions and Troubleshooting Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

Thanks, that's awesome.

 

[Digi123]

@Biskotso - How did it go?

I'm yet to do it. I'll probably get around to it by the weekend.
I do find it hard to pour naptha off the top of base/water/bark without pouring any of the latter.
I don't have a separation funnel so I normally use a glass turkey baster and just suck it off the top.
However, with tiny amounts this is going to be even harder, so we'll see how I get on.
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Hi Biskotso. For smaller amounts it's worth getting some small pipettes. Easy to find 1 ml pipettes on Ebay