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jar remaining very hot 30 minutes into basification
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Threeyes said:
How are you adding your lye? It should be good once it cools down, but for future reference, when i started mixing my lye solution in a beaker & using a 10ml pipette to add it into the extraction vessel in increments, i noticed the glassware did not seem to get hot.
melotikaci
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You should shake the jar after adding lye to avoid heating up, if it's already hot shaking will accelerate cooldown processThreeyes said:
Ulim
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melotikaci said:
Thats not a very good advice.
If you add lye and then shake the heat will rise way more rapidly. And if its hot and lye is left undissolved you shouldnt shake either.
Also rather stir then shake when dealing with lye.
If the lye is dissolved already shaking it does help mix it up because usually lye causes the the heat to be "trapped" at the bottom next to the dissolving lye. But please dont shake a solution with undissolved lye that is already near boiling. This will just end up dissolving more lye making more heat.
Threeyes yes this is way to hot. DMT starts to break down at near boiling temperatures so you want to keep the heat lower than 50°C at most times. But in your case it shouldnt have killed all the DMT.
You should make up a lye solution first before adding it to the plant material. Only when the lye solution is ready and has reached the right temperature (no more than body temperature) is it right to add the plant material.
When you do it the wrong order, ie. add lye prills to a slurry of plant material, there will be zones of very hot and concentrated lye solution around the individual undissolved lye prills. This is such a corrosive environment that your plant material will be degraded and release substances that color your nonpolar solvent yellow or even brown. Making up a lye solution and letting it cool before adding the plant material will give you a better looking and purer end result.
BTW, it is imperative to wear gloves and safety glasses while dissolving lye. The glasses are the most important -- a skin burn hurts but will heal in time, but lye in your eyes can make you blind permanently!
Because of the heat released when dissolving lye in water and the sensitivity of most glass containers to sudden temperature changes I urge people to take several extra precautions when dissolving lye: either dissolve the lye in a stainless steel container and only when it has fully dissolved poor the lye into the final extraction vessel, or keep the mixing jar in an bucket for extra containment in case the glass jar cracks and breaks from the heat shock.
Keeping the glass jar wrapped and enclosed in an extra (sturdy) plastic bag is a good safety precaution when handling the jar. Any spills due to leaking lids or even cracks can be temporarily contained before placing the jar into an emergency containment bucket.
Stir well while pooring in the lye prills in order to distribute the heat of dissolution and to prevent the lye from caking together and forming a hard to dissolve crust on the bottom of the container.
When making up a concentrated solution of lye solution, most of the air that was dissolved in the water will be forced out by the lye and the heat. The tiny bubbles that rise to the surface and pop create a fine mist of strongly alkaline droplets. Make sure that you do not breathe in this mist and keep your eyes protected from it. Not every type of safety glasses will protect your eyes from this mist. Work in a well ventilated space.
A final suggestion for people who want to use the "max ion" modification of the stb procedure: dissolve the salt first, and then add the lye to that solution. Trying to dissolve salt in a strong lye solution is much harder. You can still add plenty grains of rock salt afterwards, even after mixing in the plant material, that does not hurt the result. In fact I believe that the undissolved rock salt grains help to better mix the plant-lye slurry and the nonpolar solvent.
When you do it the wrong order, ie. add lye prills to a slurry of plant material, there will be zones of very hot and concentrated lye solution around the individual undissolved lye prills. This is such a corrosive environment that your plant material will be degraded and release substances that color your nonpolar solvent yellow or even brown. Making up a lye solution and letting it cool before adding the plant material will give you a better looking and purer end result.
BTW, it is imperative to wear gloves and safety glasses while dissolving lye. The glasses are the most important -- a skin burn hurts but will heal in time, but lye in your eyes can make you blind permanently!
Because of the heat released when dissolving lye in water and the sensitivity of most glass containers to sudden temperature changes I urge people to take several extra precautions when dissolving lye: either dissolve the lye in a stainless steel container and only when it has fully dissolved poor the lye into the final extraction vessel, or keep the mixing jar in an bucket for extra containment in case the glass jar cracks and breaks from the heat shock.
Keeping the glass jar wrapped and enclosed in an extra (sturdy) plastic bag is a good safety precaution when handling the jar. Any spills due to leaking lids or even cracks can be temporarily contained before placing the jar into an emergency containment bucket.
Stir well while pooring in the lye prills in order to distribute the heat of dissolution and to prevent the lye from caking together and forming a hard to dissolve crust on the bottom of the container.
When making up a concentrated solution of lye solution, most of the air that was dissolved in the water will be forced out by the lye and the heat. The tiny bubbles that rise to the surface and pop create a fine mist of strongly alkaline droplets. Make sure that you do not breathe in this mist and keep your eyes protected from it. Not every type of safety glasses will protect your eyes from this mist. Work in a well ventilated space.
A final suggestion for people who want to use the "max ion" modification of the stb procedure: dissolve the salt first, and then add the lye to that solution. Trying to dissolve salt in a strong lye solution is much harder. You can still add plenty grains of rock salt afterwards, even after mixing in the plant material, that does not hurt the result. In fact I believe that the undissolved rock salt grains help to better mix the plant-lye slurry and the nonpolar solvent.
melotikaci
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Strange, I always shake the bottle after adding lye(caustic soda) to water when it gets hot to cool it down, and it always cools down. It has never ever gone hotter after shaking. And after cooling down I add the source material.Ulim said: