OneIsEros said:
I like how it went from, "You guys just hate this person because you're hung up on how bad the Christian institution is, man", to people being like, "Nah, we love that shit, WE ARE THE INSTITUTION, MAN!" Laughing
I laughed out loud. Thats a really funny and acurate way of putting it, dude :d
Not to add insult to injury, as I dont have a good time disagreeing with you at all Rhythm Spring, I wish you dont get offended because I don't like this whole channeling stuff.
But I was deeply unsettled by this quote by the leader of this movement:
Pamela Kribbe wrote:
I would here like to give you a bit of a helping hand. How do you recognize the voice of fear inside yourself, and how do you distinguish what is fear, from what is the voice of the soul and of love? The voice of fear is noisy and jerky and restless, and often also works through thinking, by way of the mind. You can perceive fear in your body as a tension, a lack of relaxation and surrender. Your muscles are tense, your breath is not deep and quiet, and many panicky thoughts, which pose as very clever and responsible, occur in your head: "should I not do it like this or like that, because otherwise accidents might happen?"; "watch out, because this or that can go wrong"; "be careful, keep yourself back, control yourself”. All sorts of opinions are given under the guise of virtue, but this is actually the voice of fear. Fear paralyzes you, and if you are caught in fear, you are continually bombarded by something that seems to come from outside. Fearful impulses act on your body, and begin to master your thinking.
As a reader and lover of words for the sake of words this text truly unsettled me. I'm very sorry if I offend anyone because of this observation, but I felt as if the person who wrote this probably had pschizofrenia. Its very very weird. The choice and order of words, the tone and pace of narrative, and the lack of a point, as if the text isnt going anywhere, totally vacuous.
BUT english is not her first language. Pamela Kribbe is dutch, that means she is from the Netherlands (mmm...legal psychedelics!) so we have to give her the benefit of the doubt that maybe she isn't mentally unstable (again, forgive my way of putting what I felt), but rather her language and narrative voice is weak because she does not know the english language.
Pamela Kribbe has 10 books on sale, all self published, meaning she writes and prints and sells them on amazon herself. Her website, the place where she sells the books, is designed in 20 languages. The translations are very good--so its obvious she hires good translators, and a lot of them.
I read the autobiography she wrote on her site. It deeply usettled me.
Its very hard to read.
The prose has no rythm to it, she has a very small vocabulary, and no point or meaning either, and her ideas and how she sees the world and what she thinks is normal seem very off.
In this part around the 2000 word mark she goes on to explain how she met her husband:
Meeting Gerrit
I had just got acquainted with the Internet then and browsing around, I stumbled on Gerrit’s web site about reincarnation, time and spirituality. Immediately, I was struck by the energy it emitted and by the shared interests we had. I had the strangest feeling that either he was someone incredibly familiar to me, or I was really going mad and making things up. I decided to write him anyway and a lively correspondence ensued. Three months later we met in person. I had by then broken up with my partner. When I met Gerrit, I had the sensation that I knew him very well, only not as this particular 20th century appearance! It was inexplicable and mysterious. I was immediately drawn to him and, as it happened, he to me!
I moved in with him a few months later, got pregnant right away and before the year was over we were married! In 2002, our daughter Laura was born. The period in which I thoroughly investigated my past lives, got to know Gerrit and moved to another part of The Netherlands (where Gerrit lived) felt to me like a period of deep transition, even dying. I felt like I was emerging from my previous personality as a new ‘me’, but more of ‘me’ than I had ever been before! I felt like I was entering an altogether new way of being, in which, finally, things made sense, fitted together and paved the way for long held dreams to come true.
DUDE. WHAT THE FUCK. She got pregnant by this guy like only four months after meeting him in person! after only having known him three months through email.
And she channels spirits. As in...
but the story of how she discovered these things is very unconvincing. Basically she read gurus and books on channeling and sudenly obtained the powers herself.
In my opinion, in her autobiography she comes off as totally unvirtuous.
She actually has very little going on in her life or in her mind beside her weird and failed romantic relationships (with an old teacher when she was 23 with whom she moved into his house, and then all spiritual guys or chanellers. Generally she dumps one and goes to another. She always says that she thought she was happy with them, which is kind of weird to say. When I think back on my girlfriends I
know I was happy with them.
Anyway, Gerrit, her husband, manages her website because he is a web desinger.
After all, thats how she met him; he was a woo-woo power, channeling session guy and had his own website.
At the end of her autobiography she has a part titled
Channeling – a bit of debunking which gives the idea that she is going to refute some common oppinions against the validity of chanelling...yeah, but no, she does no such thing.
I think that channeling is a cooperation between a human being and a non-physical entity who acts as a teacher. The teacher offers inspiration and a larger perspective to the human being, and the human being translates the energy of the spiritual entity into the words and concepts he is acquainted with through his upbringing, education and culture...
And in this manner she just goes on explaining about what she thinks channeling is, never actually debunking anything and never giving concrete information on how she does it either.
In fact, her explanation of how she channels reads very phony--not really how these mystical or near death experiences happen.
It really seems like she has no mystical knowledge.
Have I wasted a lot of valuble time reading into this vacuous stuff?
YES, but I actually enjoy uncovering the truth of things so its OK.
Just half an hour ago I was getting a little into hyperspace through one point focus with open eyes meditation. I love the source of creation.
I would love if she actually discovered something real to connect with our ancestors or the source of creation, or hyperspace, but she doesn't. She just makes weird stuff up.
But the reality of what hyperspace is, the beauty of the circle of life, of the dimensions beyond this one...the real thing is so much more beautiful and UNBELIEVABLE and impossible (if you get what I mean) than all this nonsense.
Its why we say that truth is stranger than fiction.
Anyway this isnt a cult I think, its actually just a quick scam as she only makes money off the books--as many people do. She has commited no crime I believe, so shes not a leader of a cult, just a fiction writer
I ain't gonna stay or argue. 
