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Jungle spice extracted with naptha. How?

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Tribal

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SWIM did a STB MHRB extraction with naptha (coleman fuel, not VM&P). Oddly, it looks like there was some jungle spice that came out in the first pull. She was under the impression that the jungle spice could not be pulled with naptha, and is trying to figure out how this happened, or if it actually is jungle spice.

At first, the pull just looked like yellowish naptha. However, she did a partial evap before freeze precip, and that's when this redish oily stuff just appeared, like it precipitated our of nowhere and stuck to the bottom. After the freeze precip the naptha was removed and the redish goo was still stuck to the bottom. It was not soluble in naptha or in water, but was soluble in acetone, which was used to redisolve it. Is this actually jungle spice?

SWIM said that she read that naptha isn't naptha. That is to say that it's makeup varies depending on the source. Seems like most have used VM&P instead of Coleman, so this may have played a part. The only other thing she could think of was that the first pull was done hot. It actually got quite hot for awhile before separation (~140 to 160 deg F). Could jungle spice be somewhat soluble in hot naptha?

The second and third pulls were done warm, but not as hot as before. No jungle spice in those, nor in first pull from a second batch from the same MHRB source. Any ideas?
 
Did you rinse your Naptha solvent first? Mix 50/50 with water to remove impurities, and let the layers separate. I do that even with VM&P. Personally though, I'm switching to Xylene and going toward the FASA method.
 
No, she didin't rinse it. That's a good idea though. She said that impurities really haven't been a problem with freeze precip method.

I'm guessing that she had this odd extraction due to heat. In total she has done 5 naptha pulls from two batches. Both naptha and MHRB were from the same source/batch. Only the very first pull yeilded the red spice. The only difference seems to have been heat. She did this in sealed mason jars on the stove in a hot water bath, removing and shaking repeatedly. It got nearly to boiling for the first pull.
 
keep heat below 140 cause that's when DMT vaporizes out IIRC.

SWIM uses a Little Dipper mini-crock pot to keep solvents warm. It's like maybe 1-liter or so. It's used to heat dips, and is just right. He uses it to evap flammable solvents as well. Very handy.
 
Nanaki said:
keep heat below 140 cause that's when DMT vaporizes out IIRC.

SWIM uses a Little Dipper mini-crock pot to keep solvents warm. It's like maybe 1-liter or so. It's used to heat dips, and is just right. He uses it to evap flammable solvents as well. Very handy.
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haha SWIM has the same thing...its a wonderful device...everyone should have one!!
 
Tribal said:
SWIM did a STB MHRB extraction with naptha (coleman fuel, not VM&P). Oddly, it looks like there was some jungle spice that came out in the first pull. She was under the impression that the jungle spice could not be pulled with naptha, and is trying to figure out how this happened, or if it actually is jungle spice.

At first, the pull just looked like yellowish naptha. However, she did a partial evap before freeze precip, and that's when this redish oily stuff just appeared, like it precipitated our of nowhere and stuck to the bottom. After the freeze precip the naptha was removed and the redish goo was still stuck to the bottom. It was not soluble in naptha or in water, but was soluble in acetone, which was used to redisolve it. Is this actually jungle spice?

SWIM said that she read that naptha isn't naptha. That is to say that it's makeup varies depending on the source. Seems like most have used VM&P instead of Coleman, so this may have played a part. The only other thing she could think of was that the first pull was done hot. It actually got quite hot for awhile before separation (~140 to 160 deg F). Could jungle spice be somewhat soluble in hot naptha?

The second and third pulls were done warm, but not as hot as before. No jungle spice in those, nor in first pull from a second batch from the same MHRB source. Any ideas?
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SWIY has dmt n-oxide, not jungle spice. DMT-N-oxide is a yellow to reddish (if well concentrated) oily goo. Should SWIY does not believe SWIM's FOAF, then smoke it and judge for him/self:wink:
 
Regarding the comment about it vaporizing at 140, yes, but it was in sealed mason jars, and thus not so much of a problem.

Are you sure this is dmt n-oxide? Isn't that soluble in water? The only thing she could get this to dissolve in was acetone.

Anyway, thanks for the replies
 
Yes SWIMS's FOAF is pretty sure. The dmt-n-oxide freebase is slightly soluble in water. Out of 50 parts dmt-n-oxide freebase 1 maybe 2 parts would prefer the water over a suitable non-polar solvent (i.e. a solvent good enough to dissolve them, like DCM, xylene, toluene) .
 
Necro!

I did 8 very hot pulls with 55ml naphtha post xyelene defat and basification, and I now have a 3 things in my freeze percepitation. I have what looks like water droplets that are frozen solid and appear to be water, I have white as white can be DMT crystals spread through the bowl, and then I have a 4mm long collection of pure red crystals. The only difference between me and the OP is that I did sodium carbonate washes on my spice, 3 of them, and still got this curious red formation. However I did have 20 or so micro particles of MHRB solution in my solvent, it was unavoidable when I destroyed two separatory funnels and had to resort to eyedropper. If this formation is the MHRB particles then at least it was nice enough to collect in one spot and not turn all the spice red.

All 3, technically 4 if you count the yellow spice that formed, are very much separated from each other. I will attempt to get a photograph of either the red crystal formation or the end red dried product. It's not semi-red either, it is dark red.
 
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