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All my experiences (except one, i must say) with ayahuasca, lead me to conclude that basically, mimosa hostilis is more powerfull in ayahuasca brews than psychotria viridis.

A MHRB cold water infusion that uses 20 grams has about the same strength as 50 grams of chacruna, where a boiled extract requires 10 grams.

That means that a cold water infusion has about half the potency of a boiled brew with the same amounts of stuff. Nevertheless, a cold water infusion guarantees no puking and nausea and has a less disgusting taste.

Overall i can say that using mimosa hostilis cold water infusions delivers a constant quality of experiences, while psychotria has repeatedly let me down, bringing only very mild experiences.

Looking at the costs of both plants, this leads me to conclude that for those of us who enjoy ayahuasca or pharmahuasca, buying larger suply's of MHRB is far more cost-effective.

besides that, i have never noticed a decrease in quality of MHRB if it was stored for longer then a few months, while chacruna does become slightly weaker in time.
 
Good quality chacruna can bring on a very powerful experience. You are right though in that Mimosa is one powerful plant.

Mimosa is pretty consistant in amount of DMT it contains. Chacruna on the other hand varies wildly between plants due to , genetic makeup, time of harvest, drying methods, etc..

Maybe try out Chaliponga. It rivals mimosa in stregnth and is a more traditional (and palletable) admixture plant. I can't stand the taste of reduced mimiosa.

Sure using mimosa is more cost effective, as is using Syrian Rue over Caapi, however, in my opinion and experience, Caapi and Chali or Chacruna brings the most healing and enlightening experiences. Mimosa, to me, is more like a cosmic circus side show...It's wild, and crazy, full of light, but doesn't seem to have the depth that a traditional brew does. Yes, Mimosa can and will blow your mind, quite easily in fact, but it is a VERY different experience than Chali/Chacruna.
 
Very usefull info here, thankyou

Ive been recently dreaming of aya, so any info about different admixures is good.
 
I disagree, I think Psychotria and Diplopterys are far superior than Mimosa for use in Ayahuasca.

Mimosa is best for extracting. Psychotria and Diplopterys are best for Ayahuasca.

Also Syrian Rue is terrible compared to Caapi when used in Ayahuasca, Caapi is FAR better.
 
acolon_5 said:
Maybe try out Chaliponga. It rivals mimosa in stregnth and is a more traditional (and palletable) admixture plant. I can't stand the taste of reduced mimiosa.

Chali/Chacruna.
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how much chali would one typically need per dose?
 
acolon_5 said:
Good quality chacruna can bring on a very powerful experience. You are right though in that Mimosa is one powerful plant.

Mimosa is pretty consistant in amount of DMT it contains. Chacruna on the other hand varies wildly between plants due to , genetic makeup, time of harvest, drying methods, etc..

Maybe try out Chaliponga. It rivals mimosa in stregnth and is a more traditional (and palletable) admixture plant. I can't stand the taste of reduced mimiosa.

Sure using mimosa is more cost effective, as is using Syrian Rue over Caapi, however, in my opinion and experience, Caapi and Chali or Chacruna brings the most healing and enlightening experiences. Mimosa, to me, is more like a cosmic circus side show...It's wild, and crazy, full of light, but doesn't seem to have the depth that a traditional brew does. Yes, Mimosa can and will blow your mind, quite easily in fact, but it is a VERY different experience than Chali/Chacruna.
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Chaliponga is very different then chacruna and jurema because of the 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenin. I do not like it as much as brews with just mimosa or psychotria.
If you have very good quality chacruna it indeed is very special, but i have too often had psychotrira viridis that was just weak. This is why i often use both mimosa and psychotria. I know it will work and if i'm lucky it will work even better because of the chacruna.

Mimosa is something you can rely on to work.

The cosmic circus sideshow as you call it, must be caused by the beta-carbolines instead of just the DMT. chaliponga contains these beta-carbolines as well. I think they interact with the caapi alkaloids in a powerfull way.

I feel i have a good relationship with the mimosa plant, but i admit that it is different then psychotria.

The reason why i prefer it is indeed it's consistency. It makes it easier to dose.
 
gammagore said:
Azarius say 5-15 grams. Then again, there seems to be factor of quality.
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15 grams of chaliponga is usually pretty strong. especially when you use it as an admixture. 10 grams is comparable in strength with 10 grams of mimosa or 50 grams of good chacruna.
But it is radically different from the other plants.

it's a much wilder experience.
 
I never use more than 5 grams chaliponga anymore...thats a seriousily powerful experience for me...I spent a few hours stuck in a loop of destruction and creation with only 12 grams caapi and 5 grams chaliponga..it seriousily freaked me out and I felt anxious for the entire day after..I am real sensitive it seems though so I dunno..and the 5meo does make chali different for me...I dont think I would consume 15 grams of the stuff..no way!

5 grams of chali was quite breakthroughish for me...and the 5meo makes it a more difficult experience I think. I dunno why I get off so eaily wiht ayahuasca..10 grams caapi ALONE can be powerful for me, and I have confirmed this same thing with others over at aya.com...I seriousily am beginning to think I am low MAO phenotype..I have tested vine only brews many times now to see if it's placebo or what, and 10 grams yellow caapi thouroughly boiled gives me an experience, complete with the nausea, some trembling and energy vibrations, and sometimes visions with closed eyes..very diff from DMT though..

I can quid chalipionga at 2 or 3 grams also and get a light experience..so 5 grams on top of the caapi doesnt seem low at all to me..

Only drank once with mimosa..along time ago and it was with rue..I did not like it one bit..but I think it was the rue...I want to start using mimosa along with the vine though..chaliponga brews seems darker to me than when I smoke mimosa with caapi..

Really I want to try mushrooms as admixture..the vine works in low doses for me anyway..and mushrooms are consistant..5 grams caapi and 1-2 grams of dried psilocybin mushrooms is what I will prob try for a stater one of these days and see where that takes me and adjust accordingly from there..maybe adding more caapi and some mimosa in small ammounts...

edit..this all scares the shit out of me in some ways..because I plan on going to peru sometime in the next year or so and will be drinking ayahuasca..so I dunno if they relly can tell how much a person needs but I have this feeling I may be in for quite the ride down there!..not necessarily a bad thing though..I have gone real high dosing with mushrooms and smoked DMT of course so it's not like it's unfamilair territory..but the idea of being that far gone in a foreign country with a bunch of strangers makes me a bit uneasy..
 
fractal enchantment said:
I never use more than 5 grams chaliponga anymore...thats a seriousily powerful experience for me...I spent a few hours stuck in a loop of destruction and creation with only 12 grams caapi and 5 grams chaliponga..it seriousily freaked me out and I felt anxious for the entire day after..I am real sensitive it seems though so I dunno..and the 5meo does make chali different for me...I dont think I would consume 15 grams of the stuff..no way!

5 grams of chali was quite breakthroughish for me...and the 5meo makes it a more difficult experience I think. I dunno why I get off so eaily wiht ayahuasca..10 grams caapi ALONE can be powerful for me, and I have confirmed this same thing with others over at aya.com...I seriousily am beginning to think I am low MAO phenotype..I have tested vine only brews many times now to see if it's placebo or what, and 10 grams yellow caapi thouroughly boiled gives me an experience, complete with the nausea, some trembling and energy vibrations, and sometimes visions with closed eyes..very diff from DMT though..

I can quid chalipionga at 2 or 3 grams also and get a light experience..so 5 grams on top of the caapi doesnt seem low at all to me..

Only drank once with mimosa..along time ago and it was with rue..I did not like it one bit..but I think it was the rue...I want to start using mimosa along with the vine though..chaliponga brews seems darker to me than when I smoke mimosa with caapi..

Really I want to try mushrooms as admixture..the vine works in low doses for me anyway..and mushrooms are consistant..5 grams caapi and 1-2 grams of dried psilocybin mushrooms is what I will prob try for a stater one of these days and see where that takes me and adjust accordingly from there..maybe adding more caapi and some mimosa in small ammounts...

edit..this all scares the shit out of me in some ways..because I plan on going to peru sometime in the next year or so and will be drinking ayahuasca..so I dunno if they relly can tell how much a person needs but I have this feeling I may be in for quite the ride down there!..not necessarily a bad thing though..I have gone real high dosing with mushrooms and smoked DMT of course so it's not like it's unfamilair territory..but the idea of being that far gone in a foreign country with a bunch of strangers makes me a bit uneasy..
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5 grams of chaliponga can indeed already induce complete psychedelic travels.
But it's the 5-MeO that makes it a lot wilder. Those loop effects are typical.

I don't like chaliponga that much, because i feel i can not go as far with it as with mimosa and chacruna without getting at least a little paranoid.

A heavy journey with chaliponga is in my view a much more paranoid ride than with the other herbs.

As an admixture, mushrooms are the best. They realy give the DMT a strong boost. When you add mushrooms 2 things happen: the first thing is that the mushrooms will be amplified by the caapi and they will be at least twice as strong, secondly they will be potentiating the DMT noticeably.
There is a third thing, wich is that the trip becomes far more euphoric.

There is nothing i know of, that can rival with a combination of ayahuasca and mushrooms. I have done this combination three times now and i can say that even a very small amounts of shrooms has a strong positive effect.
It adds a euphoria that is comparable with that of LSD.
and a great mental clarity as well.
 
polytrip said:
5 grams of chaliponga can indeed already induce complete psychedelic travels.
But it's the 5-MeO that makes it a lot wilder. Those loop effects are typical.

I don't like chaliponga that much, because i feel i can not go as far with it as with mimosa and chacruna without getting at least a little paranoid.

A heavy journey with chaliponga is in my view a much more paranoid ride than with the other herbs.

As an admixture, mushrooms are the best. They realy give the DMT a strong boost. When you add mushrooms 2 things happen: the first thing is that the mushrooms will be amplified by the caapi and they will be at least twice as strong, secondly they will be potentiating the DMT noticeably.
There is a third thing, wich is that the trip becomes far more euphoric.

There is nothing i know of, that can rival with a combination of ayahuasca and mushrooms. I have done this combination three times now and i can say that even a very small amounts of shrooms has a strong positive effect.
It adds a euphoria that is comparable with that of LSD.
and a great mental clarity as well.
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Man 5g seems a small amount. Must be potent shit.

What sort of dose of shrooms to you take for an aya admixture?
Sounds like a nice experience
 
A recent experience led me to believe that besides MAO-inhibition, there are other ways to increase the effects of DMT significantly.

Yesterday i took a brew of ayahuasca and the effects of it where significantly less psychedelic and visual then i expected it to be.
(i think that this is because i took LSA with it and that the LSA blocked the psychedelic effects).

What i did then, after one hour, is that i took a very tiny amount of mushrooms.
Within half an hour the ayahuasca had gained full strength.

Now, the amount of shrooms alone could not have been responsible for the strength of the trip; it was a teaspoon of powdered cubensis of wich you would have needed at least a tablespoon to normally notice any real psychedelic effect. The harmala's could not have potentiated the shrooms that much either, since at that time the harmala's must have left my stomach for a great part, and even if the strength of the shrooms would have been amplified by two, it still could not have been responsible for how much stronger the ayahuasca trip got.

I already had this suspicion (wich is why i didn't took more shrooms in the first place) and now it got confirmed: The tryptamines in mushrooms activate certain mechanisms in the brain that cause a dramatic increase in strength of the effects of DMT.
Mushroom tryptamines cause basically the same mechanisms in the brain as DMT, but in such a way that when they're combined their combined strength is greater than a simple addition of their separate strengths would suggest.
Again; the amount of shrooms i took could not have been responsible for how much the ayahuasca increased.
My explanation: the electric activity in the brain caused by shrooms, tips the scale of electric activity in the brain, towards more DMT-induced mechanisms.
 
polytrip SWIM has noticed this as well...both with smoked dmt and oral....when smoked the visuals come on slower and are extremely awesome..but nonagressive and slow...same with the oral...but just a bit slower...
 
in the book, the invisible landscape by the Mckenna brothers, terrence recalls the trip to the amazon where he and his brother, Dennis, find cubensis growing in large numbers. they had gone to find ayahuasca, which they did. one of them came up with a novel idea: use the mao inhibiting effects in ayahuasca brew to permanently bind and alter the electron spin resonance of the dmt in psilocybin into human DNA by basically taking large doses of both and matching the frequency with tone(singing)~this would "lock" it in. this was 1970. we all know how terrence ended up!!--brilliant.
this is a weak synopsis of the book, which was difficult for me to follow at times.
anyway, i think they were successful.
don't forget to sing:)
 
The interaction between psilocin and DMT is even stranger and more complex then i thought.

When i tried this combo in two subsequent days, the second day, the ayahuasca started to become less powerfull when i took some extra shrooms after it had started to work.

The tolerance that i had build up in the previous 24 hours caused the shrooms to have only little effects. But besided that the effects of build up tolerance to shrooms, started to diminish the effects of the DMT. But this effect started kicking in after i took the shrooms.

So the fact that the brain chemistry of shrooms and DMT is almost the same but slightly different, causes some complex interactions between these compounds that exceeds the effects of a simple addition of two things.
 
Jorkest said:
polytrip SWIM has noticed this as well...both with smoked dmt and oral....when smoked the visuals come on slower and are extremely awesome..but nonagressive and slow...same with the oral...but just a bit slower...
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Yeah man its an awesome mix!

What was interesting when i tried smoking dmt on shrooms was that before i dosed on the spice i was getting these beautiful blue shapes CEV's, on the shrooms, and then when i smoked the spice i got the same visual but in dmt 4d...cool. I then broke through that part again and met a huge entity...the whole trip was soooo smooth and slow.

So yeah DMT and Shrooms are really close and therefore wicked to mix :d
 
Shrooms and DMT are best friends ever :)
I love this combo. It's so easy and nice to come up on DMT while tripping on shrooms. It's the perfect platform for shooting of into hyperdimension :) You're already half way. Well at least on the right way :D
 
I guess the psilocybin colors up the DMT a bit?..or maybe alot!?

I smoked DMT twice today..still comming down:d, both trips were wonderful..really touched me..but even though the 2nd time I went into mid-hyperspace..I noticed that psilocybin is more colorful for me..where DMT feels very immersive, but the CEV are usually more in black, gold and red(sometimes full color though)..my psilocybin visuals are usually more full technocolor..

Other than that they are very similar..besides the body load or oral mushrooms..another thing I like about DMT, it feels soooo clean and clear when smoked..been taking bufo alot and while I like it alot too I forgot how damn clear DMT is..like a diamond.

Psilocybin and DMT are definatily my 2 favorites to take I think..still need to combine them.
 
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