Jurema, The Underworld & The Cosmic Christ

[autumnsphere]

It's not complicated. I think the Underworld is your subconscious - the amorphous mass that according to Jung connects us all.

Our world is made of opposites - Devil / God, Human / Divine, Evil / Good, Fear / Love, Death / Life, Feminine / Masculine, Dark / Light, etc...

Once the world was whole - Christ (the human) was part of God, and there were no opposites. But you cannot be truly human without being torn in two. So in order to become whole again, you don't deny the darkness, the Underworld, you embrace it as part of the whole.
In hyperspace Christ is the Devil, cause they are part of one and the same entity. A lot of mystics are totally puzzled at first by this crazy, crazy divine world where the opposites are like a mirror image, like a diapositive picture where negative and positive are one.

 

[lyserge]

During the ceremony they keep flying around near the stove. Since I was trying to go into the Underworld the idea popped into my mind that a sacrifice was needed. Plus I figured they flew onto the stove for a reason. Into the brew they went (I did thank them for their sacrifice).

Cool report - maybe the flying ants are an "omen"...or maybe you spilt some sugar or candy on the stove previously? Your Do-It-Yourself approach reminds one of some of the articles in Richard Metzger's collection "The Book of Lies". "If it works for you, then it works".

 

[Eliyahu]

In hyperspace Christ is the Devil, cause they are part of one and the same entity. A lot of mystics are totally puzzled at first by this crazy, crazy divine world where the opposites are like a mirror image, like a diapositive picture where negative and positive are one.

Everyone has different views of Hyperspace and I respect that ...
Perhaps the main area where we differ in opinion is....
I happen to believe the entities I encounter in hyperspace are 100% real and NOT simply archetypes existing in my subconscious. So if you believe God and the devil are extensions of our subconscious I could see why you think of them as one thing.


I believe strongly in ultimate paradoxes and inter connectivity and so forth but the Hyperspace I visit is not so topsy turvey and helter skelter that Christ becomes the Devil...
Now if you are talking about the right wing GOP version of "Jesus" then YES, that is the devil, but if your referring to Yeshua Ben Yoseph then I would say that is the messiah and the messiah cannot also be the devil....

While I believe Evil to be a definite extension of God's will I do not see that happening to the point where the lines between good and Evil bleed together that drastically....
For example the Yin and Yang is Black and white....two contrasting colors...if dark and light, evil and good were the same thing wouldn't the yin and yang just be a big grey circle???

Jerzeecanuck....you asked why you saw Christ in the underworld...
Obviously his power extends to both the upper and lower realms.....In my opinion he is trying to get your attention...Ever heard of Devine intervention???

He probably has some very important work that he needs you to accomplish....there is probably some Darkness out there that only you can transform into light...it could also be possible he was trying to protect you from something that was gunning for you in the underworld ....or all of the above.

 

[Jerzeecanuck]

During the ceremony they keep flying around near the stove. Since I was trying to go into the Underworld the idea popped into my mind that a sacrifice was needed. Plus I figured they flew onto the stove for a reason. Into the brew they went (I did thank them for their sacrifice).

Cool report - maybe the flying ants are an "omen"...or maybe you spilt some sugar or candy on the stove previously? Your Do-It-Yourself approach reminds one of some of the articles in Richard Metzger's collection "The Book of Lies". "If it works for you, then it works".

An "omen"? I would definitely agree with you there. Trust me, this isn't the first time I have seen "omens" (nor is this the most unusual one I've seen).

Even if I spilled a bunch of sugar or candy previously, why did they not appear until I made my brew? And stopped after I was done? Coincidence? <--- I used this word alot in my story. lmao!

Thanks for putting me onto Richard Metzger. I will definitely add his book to my collection.

 

[Jerzeecanuck]

In hyperspace Christ is the Devil, cause they are part of one and the same entity. A lot of mystics are totally puzzled at first by this crazy, crazy divine world where the opposites are like a mirror image, like a diapositive picture where negative and positive are one.

Everyone has different views of Hyperspace and I respect that ...
Perhaps the main area where we differ in opinion is....
I happen to believe the entities I encounter in hyperspace are 100% real and NOT simply archetypes existing in my subconscious. So if you believe God and the devil are extensions of our subconscious I could see why you think of them as one thing.

I agree with you Eliyahu about the realness of the entities. They are just as real as we are. Because I seen the Cosmic Christ even before I knew what He was. And I am not the only one to see Him.

Unless of course autumnsphere means the entity exists in the collective subconscious. Which is no different than our collective consciousness which we call life in this world.

Soooo like Morpheus said in The Matrix "If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

In that sense, entities in the collective consciousness & collective unconsciousness are real if you sense them.

While I believe Evil to be a definite extension of God's will I do not see that happening to the point where the lines between good and Evil bleed together that drastically....
For example the Yin and Yang is Black and white....two contrasting colors...if dark and light, evil and good were the same thing wouldn't the yin and yang just be a big grey circle???

Yin and Yang have little dots in the middle with contrasting colors (if you want to be technical, black isn't a color). That is the connection between the two sides. Even the most sadistic, evil person is capable of great kindness. And vice versa. That nice person that wouldn't hurt a fly could turn into a mass murderer/suicide bomber under the right conditions. It all comes full circle... which is probably why yin/yang is in a circle.

Jerzeecanuck....you asked why you saw Christ in the underworld...
Obviously his power extends to both the upper and lower realms.....In my opinion he is trying to get your attention...Ever heard of Devine intervention???

You're right. I had a brain fart for a second. He can go into any realm. Heard of Divine Intervention??? I've experienced it! But that's a different story all together.

He probably has some very important work that he needs you to accomplish....there is probably some Darkness out there that only you can transform into light...it could also be possible he was trying to protect you from something that was gunning for you in the underworld ....or all of the above.

I agree fully with "all of the above".

 

[autumnsphere]

Unless of course autumnsphere means the entity exists in the collective subconscious. Which is no different than our collective consciousness which we call life in this world.

Soooo like Morpheus said in The Matrix "If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain."

In that sense, entities in the collective consciousness & collective unconsciousness are real if you sense them.

Yep.