Just my viewpoint of things so far

[Operculum]

Ya know, i sometimes feel like my hyperspace experiences feel much like an organic portrait playing itself out in such a way that it conveys the deeper meanings of relationships and events and what energy is being given and recieved in these relationships. I remember seeing my step sister represented as a Tree made out of candy canes that rotted into trash. It was a "knowing" that it represented her, not so much as a sign saying "A = B". It was much like the landscape seen in Nirvanas Music video for Heart Shaped Box.

Ive seen other things too...they always play out like a silent movie where no words are needed to convey the message.

For instance, one night I went out with my friends to a bar (one of my friends was djing) and I talked to a woman. I was very sexually attracted to this woman as she was me (she kept staring at me from the dancefloor and giving me the many obvious glances). I had left my GF at home. We are in an off an on relationship. She has also admitted to going out to bars looking for attention from men while we are on our "off" period


So to the more interesting part, the same night I went back to my friends apartment and we both blasted off one after the other. The next thing I know, I see with my eyes closed, my friend who is sitting right next, to me Djing at a club. I tell him with excitement what I see, and he tells me he also sees himself Djing. (What a coincidence!) The next thing I see, is my GF in HD vision sitting on a bar stool, all prettied up, looking around scoping out the bar to capture a mans attention. This lasted about 20 seconds....I suddenly realized what was being shown to me and paid attention to how it made me feel.

Another time I blasted off while listening to some sweet liquid funk drum and bass, the scene was of my relatives having a party and dancing so joyfully to the music, the "film or scene" i was watching just represented as a "intuitive knowing" of how joyful and carefree my fathers side of the family is. Everyone was so caught up in the moment of celebration to music and happiness

I have yet to meet the Elves or Jesters...not that I really care to


Can anyone relate?

 

[Akasha224]

Can anyone relate?

Yes. I have seen encountered entities in hyperspace, but a lot of my deepest experiences have been what you're describing. The most horrifying psychedelic experience I had ever had was on 5g+ of VERY strong mushrooms. It was at a point in my life when I was willing to snort, smoke, or swallow anything to get high, and hung around with shitty people who made that very easy to do (not that this wasn't my fault).

So anyway, at the peak, the mushrooms took me out of my body (I was in my bed, under the covers in complete darkness) and I was floating in this void watching a screen playing back clips of me snorting pills, smoking blunts, whatever, all while this demonic, mocking voice kept saying: "I bet you think you're really fucking cool, with your fucking Jim Morrison hair, sitting there, smoking a blunt, you fucking little faggot," more or less verbally shredding me to pieces.

Needless to say, I got the message.

 

[RAM]

more or less verbally shredding me to pieces.

This happens to me on pretty much most of my psychedelic journeys now. I made another post here in the Healing section about trying to move past these kinds of social considerations during trips, and the conclusion was to try some rue and see where it takes me.

It is quite fascinating how psychedelics will do this. They're not feel good drugs like liquor or opiates that make you forget about the world and sink into a comfortable state. Even on cannabis now my own mind tears me to shreds, and I guess it's like a tool for self-improvement but sometimes I wonder how much harshness my mind can take before it breaks.

I also wonder when the critique crosses the line from helpful to harmful, like when these messages that have play out before us really have no meaning and are just a representation of what our egos think the world should be like deep down. I feel a lot of times that what our parents taught us at a young age or what people pressure us into doing has an effect on how we see the world and that this effect plays out in our trips.

How we live our lives is subjective; right and wrong really only exist to you. So then why would these messages play out during our trips? Regardless I can definitely relate to these types of experiences.

 

[RhythmSpring]

I feel you. When I go into trances after taking Ayahuasca or Syrian Rue, I usually get visions/insights into other people I know. Things that make me go, "ohhh, THAT'S what it's like for them..." or "Oh, I see... that makes me respect them and where they're coming from a lot more." Things that make me forgive.

You can spare me the elves and jesters, too. All I want is a harmonious life.

 

[Global]

The part I can't relate to is mainly where you describe seeing your relatives at a party. I never see anyone resembling people I know. These people had the faces of your relatives? Were they geometric? Or is this another instance of intuition?

 

[Doc Buxin]

Things that make me forgive.

Isn't that what it's all about anyway? Forgiving ourselves & forgiving others.

You can spare me the elves and jesters, too. All I want is a harmonious life.

I could not have put it more eloquently myself.:thumb_up:

 

[Akasha224]

more or less verbally shredding me to pieces.

This happens to me on pretty much most of my psychedelic journeys now. I made another post here in the Healing section about trying to move past these kinds of social considerations during trips, and the conclusion was to try some rue and see where it takes me.

It is quite fascinating how psychedelics will do this. They're not feel good drugs like liquor or opiates that make you forget about the world and sink into a comfortable state. Even on cannabis now my own mind tears me to shreds, and I guess it's like a tool for self-improvement but sometimes I wonder how much harshness my mind can take before it breaks.

I also wonder when the critique crosses the line from helpful to harmful, like when these messages that have play out before us really have no meaning and are just a representation of what our egos think the world should be like deep down. I feel a lot of times that what our parents taught us at a young age or what people pressure us into doing has an effect on how we see the world and that this effect plays out in our trips.

How we live our lives is subjective; right and wrong really only exist to you. So then why would these messages play out during our trips? Regardless I can definitely relate to these types of experiences.

It's been years since mushrooms, so I can't speak from those in recent experiences, but Cannabis can have the same effect on me as well - I'll be upset about something, smoke to feel better, and I end up just feeling worse because it makes the feeling so much more palpable and places it right at the center of your consciousness. Same thing if I feel guilt/resentment towards someone...I'll smoke, and then feel like an ass for harboring negative emotions and feelings against people.

I understand what you're saying about right and wrong being subjective, but sometimes something is just plain BAD, and that's all there is to it. The "message" I got from my skull-crushing 5g psilocybin experience was that snorting Klonopins, Ativans, and Adderalls was probably not good for me, mentally or physically, by themselves or combined with other substances (which I did a lot of as well). I think it's pretty safe to say that blowing benzodiazepines wasn't a "subjectively bad" habit I had.

However, I do agree that the "messages" can sometimes be representative of insecurities that are culturally drilled into our skulls. For example, if I am overweight, I might get some "message" that I should try to lose weight. But do I want to lose weight because society says you're not attractive unless you're skinny, or do I want to overall increase my physical health and the quality of my life by getting in shape and being healthy?

 

[spacexplorer]

The voice in your head as far as I can tell is delusional and if you listen to it or give it any leeway it will get worse and worse until its aggressively trying to attack you from every angle.

 

[joedirt]

The part I can't relate to is mainly where you describe seeing your relatives at a party. I never see anyone resembling people I know. These people had the faces of your relatives? Were they geometric? Or is this another instance of intuition?

I have seen a 4D hyperspace film role go by that contained exactly or perfectly replicated photos from my real life..

DMT is a strange beast to say the last. Mostly it's just geometries and such, but then other times crazy shit will happen like a winged smily face stepping right out of thin air in front of you..

 

[DoingKermit]

The part I can't relate to is mainly where you describe seeing your relatives at a party. I never see anyone resembling people I know. These people had the faces of your relatives? Were they geometric? Or is this another instance of intuition?

I have seen a 4D hyperspace film role go by that contained exactly or perfectly replicated photos from my real life..

DMT is a strange beast to say the last. Mostly it's just geometries and such, but then other times crazy shit will happen like a winged smily face stepping right out of thin air in front of you..

Yup! Spot on. DMT will all ways find a way to completely surpass what you already thought was the strangest thing you'd ever experienced.

 

[null24]

I have seen a 4D hyperspace film role go by that contained exactly or perfectly replicated photos from my real life..

Yes, like projected onto a strange hyper real screen, floating in space within a tesselating fractal rainbow temple:thumb_up: in my experience, I've encountered a beautiful female 'tour guide' in this fashion.

What op and others are talking about is what gives me white knuckles before some trips. And ya just never know...

I've had some visions that allowed me to feel the exact amount of pain I'd inflicted upon others, and while it doesn't make psychedelics 'fun', it makes them meaningful tools for self transformation. Can be damn challenging, but nothing worth having is easy to get.