JWH Compound Questions

[jimbobjones]

Greetings,

SWIM's grandmother poked around trying to research some on the various JWH compounds. She found several experience reports documenting the effects of the different compounds but there are a few questions she didn't find answers to:

1) Is it as psychologically addicting as MJ?

2) Edited: Seen others asking for PM's before, sorry.

3) What's the best herb admixture, or combination thereof, to achieve as close to an effect as MJ as possible as far as taste? It would be nice to come close to replicating the sweet/fruity taste, and avoid "planty" or "earthy" tastes.

4) Does it vaporize at near the same temperatures as THC?

5) Is there a lethargic/tired after effect, or does it fade more cleanly than MJ? That's one thing about MJ she always hates. Does one still get the red/stoned eyes?

6) Deciding between JWH 18, 81, and/or 250. Read the other thread here and just panning for more input. Perhaps a mix, or is it best to stick with one at a time?

Thanks for any input all!

 

[vovin]

JWH is vovin's next obsession. I swore I would not mess with this stuff till I was out of school but welll......I lie to myself allot. I will begin posting what info I come up with as it occurs. Right now I am super stoked with some of the results I am getting. Whole new world here guys..mebbbe even a whole new deep thought project:twisted:

 

[jimbobjones]

Nice Vovin, saw some of your other input in the other threads, any thoughts on those issues?

 

[vovin]

I would love to assist but as it is right now I dont have any info on my most promising compound as there is 0 info on the ingredients. I will answer as best I can:

1) Is it as psychologically addicting as MJ?
Yes to me it is.



3) What's the best herb admixture, or combination thereof, to achieve as close to an effect as MJ as possible as far as taste? It would be nice to come close to replicating the sweet/fruity taste, and avoid "planty" or "earthy" tastes.

V even smells like the real stuff. Ingredients? No info on the package cant even find it on google.

4) Does it vaporize at near the same temperatures as THC?
Yes you can smoke it just like weed from everything I have tried.

5) Is there a lethargic/tired after effect, or does it fade more cleanly than MJ? That's one thing about MJ she always hates. Does one still get the red/stoned eyes?
Highly lethargic, moreso than THC actually. I smoke and I am done cant do squat.

6) Deciding between JWH 18, 81, and/or 250. Read the other thread here and just panning for more input. Perhaps a mix, or is it best to stick with one at a time?
Dunno I havent messed with the pure compuonds as of yet but I am going to soon.

A list according to strenght as I have tried them. Many I have yet to try:
Strongest:
V
K2
Serenity Now
Weakest

The diffrence between K2 and Serenity is minimal. V is 2 times as powerful as K2 it's a big step up.

 

[jimbobjones]

double see below

 

[jimbobjones]

Hrm, is V an abbreviation? Finding a good bit of info on K2 but nothing on "V"... is V a particular K2 "blend"?

Edit: Moreover, any idea what herbs are in the V product to give it the MJ smell/taste?

thanks for the help

 

[vovin]

Nope not a abbreviation. I posted pics of it here:

I just discovered a DMT 'like' compound....I think - Other Psychoactives - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

No ingredients whatsoever on the container. Being that the name is one letter it has proven impossible to google it so far.

I have absolutely no idea what the JWH compounds are or in what concentration. Nor do I know what the herbs are either.

If anyone can provide web links to any info whatsoever I would appreciate it as I plan on testing this stuff throughly and I am hoping to figure out what the active compounds are for sure if possible.

 

[PsilocybeChild]

Highly lethargic, moreso than THC actually. I smoke and I am done cant do squat.

hmm, I find it to be the opposite for me. higher energy levels then if i had smoked pot instead.

 

[vovin]

Could be that I am just lazy as hell and I use it as a excuse. But really I feel sluggish and tired after smoking. Even when I take a stimulant it works but I dont feel like getting off the sofa I am just lazy and really awake.

 

[jimbobjones]

Hrm, that picture of V doesn't look the most appetizing, how's the taste? One thing she's curious on is that a lot of these "legal buds" look amazingly a lot like the real MJ. Do any of them have a reasonable dosage of JWH?

She tried K2 "blonde" some time ago at a friends and didnt get much off it but she also had smoked a lot of MJ around the time as well.

Would be nice to get something that's palatable (or mix her own with a palatable set of base herbs)

 

[Touche Guevara]

Highly lethargic, moreso than THC actually. I smoke and I am done cant do squat.

hmm, I find it to be the opposite for me. higher energy levels then if i had smoked pot instead.

This might highlight another problem with these blends. Since they're not labeled for human consumption, there is no enforceable quality control. The herbal and chemical properties of the product can vary from batch to batch and even packet to packet. Each dose is a roll of the dice.

 

[Seven]

Highly lethargic, moreso than THC actually. I smoke and I am done cant do squat.

hmm, I find it to be the opposite for me. higher energy levels then if i had smoked pot instead.

This might highlight another problem with these blends. Since they're not labeled for human consumption, there is no enforceable quality control. The herbal and chemical properties of the product can vary from batch to batch and even packet to packet. Each dose is a roll of the dice.

True, which is whats getting the blends into all kinds of problems. You could get the pure compound and make your own blend, so you know all the herbs used, the chem, and the ratio of chem to herbs.

 

[jimbobjones]

Anyone have a clue what the safest herbs might be that'd duplicate a nice smooth, sweet, non earthy/planty taste? Curious on what some of these spoof buds use

 

[Seven]

Mullein is a sort of standard non active, smoothly burning herb. Swim has heard of people using damania, blue lotus etc. See the changa thread for more ideas about herbs to use.

 

[jimbobjones]

Hm ,cool, blue lotus does sound interesting. Trying to dig around a bit.

MJ definitely has a unique flavor and texture to it though. Any ideas on what give it the sweetness to begin with? Has anyone experienced anything remotely similar?

Also find it interesting that a lot of the "wizard weed" type "spoof buds" actually look fairly close to real MJ. Some of them look like actual buds. Anyone experienced one of those that actually tastes similar to the real thing and know how the effect was achieved and the look?

Of course an active compound would need to be added but curious what these base herbs generally might be

 

[jamie]

Im starting to notice that JWH is getting to be this big thing, very popular..and there is a population of people that seem to use it daily, in place of cannabis. It's cheaper, it's legal and it's ok for drug tests..so it seems that some people find it a good alternative.

But personlly I dont think that is a good idea..how much do we know about these compounds?..just because they act on cannabinoid receptors doesnt mean they are similar to cannabinoids. JWH compounds are indols for one thing..cannabinoids are not..people should remember that these are basically brand new RC's that lack long term effects studies..

I have heard form a few people now about how JWH seems to have negative effects in the long term, making people more irritable and edgy ect..

I think to use these compounds on a regular basis is unwise..people can do whatever they want, but personally id be weary..and not use JWH in place of a daily cannabis routine.

 

[jimbobjones]

definitely agree fractal, not proceeding into this foolheartily or as to go overboard as an everyday activity
more an exploration thing and curious on how to try to make it similar in this situation
but very true would be foolhardy to just dive right in head first without caution

yes it would be nice to find a true alternative but this is the bioassay stage and caution is prudent

 

[jamie]

For the record..I am not saying people shouldnt smoke JWH..all I am saying is that I think its not wise to develope a frequent habitual use of the stuff similar to cannabis smoking. All RC's should be treated this way becasue they dont have a long history of safe human use.

 

[hummus]

1) I'd say pretty similar, although probably just because you get so much of it so cheaply so don't have to stretch it out for ages ..
3) I've made herbal blends with a 3:1 mix of peppermint and chamomile. Dissolve 1g of jwh in about 100ml/more if needed acetone then soak your mixed blend in it, empty it out onto a large tray and air dry it for a good while until there's no acetone smell left. 1g jwh : 1 ounce of leaf makes a nice strong blend.
4) Yep, if you're smoking it pure in little sprinkles then you don't want to burn it but just hold the flame maybe 1/2 inch away from it ontop of a screen/bed of herbs
5) In lower doses you'll be much more coordinated/'acting normal' with jwh compared to cannabis but still get a little bit of red-eye, not much really .. I'd used to just vaporise jwh in a little pipe while on the computer which is in a hallway with my parents just downstairs and they were never any the wiser.
In higher doses which are easy to take you'll be pretty noticeably stoned and red-eyed etc, but still more of a 'clarity' in it and way less anxiety in high doses.
6) I've only tried JWH-018,200,250 , jwh-018 is probably my favourite, provides a nice light but rounded high, very little body high until you get to larger doses, little to no anxiety. Dose is from about 1-10mg, I'd recommend starting at very low doses until you figure out what's good for you. A while ago made some of the aforementioned blend and had a few tokes off a spliff with it and was just totally 'gone', monged out instantly for a couple hours off only what must've been a 4mg dose, tolerance does build up over time. Quite like a very light but powerful sativa high.
JWH-250's pretty nice too, much more of a stoney clouded head high. Almost has a sort of 'narcotic/dissociative' feel to it as it comes on pretty suddenly with a bit of a 'rush' and has a bit of a surreal but nice feel to it. Different sort of high which some people might not like, more like an 'indica' var cannabis. Dosage is roughly the same as jwh-018, and I'd imagine the two could mix together pretty well if you wanted a different effect.
JWH-200 is a very light high, and has much less potency than the other jwh's with a similar price, I'd say don't waste your money on it as it takes 5-30mg doses. Still is pretty enjoyable mixed with jwh-250 at the right ratios though.

 

[jimbobjones]

Anything at all come close to a MJ fruity/sweet taste that anyones aware of or tried