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Ketamine and DMT compared
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Way different. Although dmt is quite dissociating its much different then ketamine.
SWIM noticed that with ketamine SWIM feels no fear even when going very deep. Going very deep on dmt often can have has some element of fear attached. Especially 5-meo-dmt.
SWIM noticed that with ketamine SWIM feels no fear even when going very deep. Going very deep on dmt often can have has some element of fear attached. Especially 5-meo-dmt.
Contact
Rising Star
had once a high dosage of Ketamin... maybe that makes my post a little bit unprofessional, but i'll give you what i've experienced...
Ketamine...Curse that unholy crap!!
Ketamin is like someone hits your head with a big metal baseball bat! Your head turns and turns and the only thing you can do is lay back and still feel like in a big roundabout. When i had that crap, i passed out and during my whole trip, i was captured in a big Bowl... running for life, but i was just running in the Bowl, which was spinning faster and faster as i tried to run... When i woke up, i lay there, and i felt like: "Dude, whatever is happening here, whatever is happening now... i don't care. I could be dead at all, it wouldnt matter... nothing would matter"
That's one of the most senseless feelings one could ever have. Life is worthy to live. And IMHO, Drugs are here to fill your life with joy... not to make you don't care if you're dead or not... Ketamine is evil, and i will never touch this again.
In Comparison to dmt: I've never felt "dead" or "it doesnt matter if i were". It was filling up my life... afterwards, i could hug the whole world, i'm happy to be alife and to be able to enter such a beautiful place...
All in All:
Ketamine = makes you wanna die
DMT = makes you thankful for beeing alife
maybe it's time to switch
edit: maybe i also should add the info, that dmt really is much much more visual and optic. You are in a cristal clear hallucination
Ketamine...Curse that unholy crap!!
Ketamin is like someone hits your head with a big metal baseball bat! Your head turns and turns and the only thing you can do is lay back and still feel like in a big roundabout. When i had that crap, i passed out and during my whole trip, i was captured in a big Bowl... running for life, but i was just running in the Bowl, which was spinning faster and faster as i tried to run... When i woke up, i lay there, and i felt like: "Dude, whatever is happening here, whatever is happening now... i don't care. I could be dead at all, it wouldnt matter... nothing would matter"
That's one of the most senseless feelings one could ever have. Life is worthy to live. And IMHO, Drugs are here to fill your life with joy... not to make you don't care if you're dead or not... Ketamine is evil, and i will never touch this again.
In Comparison to dmt: I've never felt "dead" or "it doesnt matter if i were". It was filling up my life... afterwards, i could hug the whole world, i'm happy to be alife and to be able to enter such a beautiful place...
All in All:
Ketamine = makes you wanna die
DMT = makes you thankful for beeing alife
maybe it's time to switch
edit: maybe i also should add the info, that dmt really is much much more visual and optic. You are in a cristal clear hallucination
rawmo
Rising Star
Hey Contact,
just remember that so often what is going on in your life, or what you take into an experience is what you get.
a sample size of 1 isn't really a good indicator of a phenomena.
ketamine is a natural occurence in your body,
maybe if you ever change your mind and try it again do a good deal of research, make sure you are going in prepared and also make sure you are in a good headspace.
i have talked with people who have had similar experiences on DMT re the 'i don't care etc'
my take on psychedelics is that they are just a key that unlocks a series of pathways and doors.
doors unique to you and consequent of you.
Drugs aren't here to fill you with joy necessarily [although they often do], they just offer options in relation to you
if you go in with a preconception of 'how it should / has to be' you may set up a negative feedback cycle that didn't need to be there : )
i suppose its the difference to focusing on the sensation compared to the experience as it is?
[well that's my 2 cents anyway]
just remember that so often what is going on in your life, or what you take into an experience is what you get.
a sample size of 1 isn't really a good indicator of a phenomena.
ketamine is a natural occurence in your body,
maybe if you ever change your mind and try it again do a good deal of research, make sure you are going in prepared and also make sure you are in a good headspace.
i have talked with people who have had similar experiences on DMT re the 'i don't care etc'
my take on psychedelics is that they are just a key that unlocks a series of pathways and doors.
doors unique to you and consequent of you.
Drugs aren't here to fill you with joy necessarily [although they often do], they just offer options in relation to you
if you go in with a preconception of 'how it should / has to be' you may set up a negative feedback cycle that didn't need to be there : )
i suppose its the difference to focusing on the sensation compared to the experience as it is?
[well that's my 2 cents anyway]
Contact
Rising Star
that's why i mentioned in the beginning, that this is only my personal point of view and not a "scientific statement"
I will never do ketamine again. Not in any time of my life i want to have that empty feeling again. Well, maybe your right, i should have done some more research before taking it, but can't change it afterwards. As you get older, you learn more... I'm happy i prepared myself correctly for dmt and didnt had that same experience again.
I will never do ketamine again. Not in any time of my life i want to have that empty feeling again. Well, maybe your right, i should have done some more research before taking it, but can't change it afterwards. As you get older, you learn more... I'm happy i prepared myself correctly for dmt and didnt had that same experience again.
I've never had any inclination to enter the 'k-hole'. From all I've heard and read it just seems like some get-as-messed-up-as-possible stupid party drug. People who have done it have never told me of any insights from its use. People have offered me it mixed with cocaine too and I've refused.
Madonna does k, at least she talks about it! The singer.
Last night I was in a DJ bar, and next to the DJ, lying on a table where everyone could see, this guy was lying back 'frozen', his limbs contorted, his fingers splayed, his arms suspended in the air, his face contorted unnaturally. It was freaking people out a bit. He looked like he was physically disabled yet his friends were pushing him around telling him "Sit up you fucking idiot" etc, it was quite shocking. They were taking cigarettes from his pocket while he was immobilised and I started wondering if he had had his drink spiked or something so they could take advantage of him.
Then I noticed another guy was hugging a corner as if he were glued to it. His face poked out from around the corner, frozen in a look of abject horror. Absolute insanity. I asked one of their friends what they'd taken and he didn't really want to tell me. I said it looked like they'd overdone the ketamine, but I was curious to know if maybe they'd taken a research chemical or had some kind of reaction due to a combination, and he said that they do do ketamine so it probably was that. It looked like awful stuff. But later on they were more mobilised and wandering around like robo-zombies, so they were alright.
That reconfirmed my rejection of ketamine. But I'd be really interested to hear from anyone who DOES use it as an entheogen, rather than a messed up party drug.
Madonna does k, at least she talks about it! The singer.
Last night I was in a DJ bar, and next to the DJ, lying on a table where everyone could see, this guy was lying back 'frozen', his limbs contorted, his fingers splayed, his arms suspended in the air, his face contorted unnaturally. It was freaking people out a bit. He looked like he was physically disabled yet his friends were pushing him around telling him "Sit up you fucking idiot" etc, it was quite shocking. They were taking cigarettes from his pocket while he was immobilised and I started wondering if he had had his drink spiked or something so they could take advantage of him.
Then I noticed another guy was hugging a corner as if he were glued to it. His face poked out from around the corner, frozen in a look of abject horror. Absolute insanity. I asked one of their friends what they'd taken and he didn't really want to tell me. I said it looked like they'd overdone the ketamine, but I was curious to know if maybe they'd taken a research chemical or had some kind of reaction due to a combination, and he said that they do do ketamine so it probably was that. It looked like awful stuff. But later on they were more mobilised and wandering around like robo-zombies, so they were alright.
That reconfirmed my rejection of ketamine. But I'd be really interested to hear from anyone who DOES use it as an entheogen, rather than a messed up party drug.
Interesting perspectives on ketamine. I can understand someone seeing someone on K on a party and being like "I don't ever wanna do that!". Or even someone snorting a bunch of k and getting really confused and saying "I'll never do that again".
Regardless SWIM has found ketamine to be one of the most fascinating experiences of SWIMs psychedelic life. Its been years but SWIM remembers the best way to use it was to to inject intramuscular in a comfortable setting like a bed or couch. No need for music or any external stimuli. Infact most external stimuli wasn't stimulating at all but rather confusing.
SWIM has had some profound experiences on IM ketamine. Such as seeing the spirits of the world circling the earth in this purple mass and one popped out and it was SWIMs grandmothers soul whose only color were her eyes the rest was the purple mass. SWIM become the swishing of a fan (if that makes sense!). SWIM left SWIMs body almost everytime. Or well SWIM lost perception of his body everytime (SWIM doesnt think SWIM really left). Floated around the town etc. It was awesome. Although it has potential for abuse because there is no fear in that realm. Its so comforting and peaceful yet chaotic and weird at the same time. SWIM also combined with MDMA which was like a brain orgasm is the only way SWIM can describe. SWIM also combined with mushrooms at a concert which was a tunnel into the music.
So I think the way one interprets ketamine has a lot to do with set and setting. SWIM has had great experiences on the substance. Has also seen people get a little to into it and go a bit wacky well really wacky. Its safe if used moderately. The only real way to do ketamine is to go right into the K-hole with a needle or just take very low doses to relax and chill out to orally or intra-nasally. Definately not for parties although it mixes well with other drugs at low doses which can make it work for parties.
More on the differences though. Physically ketamine you lose many of your feelings about your body and external world hence the term dissaciative. DMT is dissaociating but in a completely different way. DMT is dissociating because you become so enraptured by what you are seeing that you kind of forget about your body or even that you took a drug! SWIM dunno the main difference psychically is dmt is very visual ketamine is only visual in the minds eye besides the strobe effect. SWIM is not good at describing how a drug feels though.
Regardless SWIM has found ketamine to be one of the most fascinating experiences of SWIMs psychedelic life. Its been years but SWIM remembers the best way to use it was to to inject intramuscular in a comfortable setting like a bed or couch. No need for music or any external stimuli. Infact most external stimuli wasn't stimulating at all but rather confusing.
SWIM has had some profound experiences on IM ketamine. Such as seeing the spirits of the world circling the earth in this purple mass and one popped out and it was SWIMs grandmothers soul whose only color were her eyes the rest was the purple mass. SWIM become the swishing of a fan (if that makes sense!). SWIM left SWIMs body almost everytime. Or well SWIM lost perception of his body everytime (SWIM doesnt think SWIM really left). Floated around the town etc. It was awesome. Although it has potential for abuse because there is no fear in that realm. Its so comforting and peaceful yet chaotic and weird at the same time. SWIM also combined with MDMA which was like a brain orgasm is the only way SWIM can describe. SWIM also combined with mushrooms at a concert which was a tunnel into the music.
So I think the way one interprets ketamine has a lot to do with set and setting. SWIM has had great experiences on the substance. Has also seen people get a little to into it and go a bit wacky well really wacky. Its safe if used moderately. The only real way to do ketamine is to go right into the K-hole with a needle or just take very low doses to relax and chill out to orally or intra-nasally. Definately not for parties although it mixes well with other drugs at low doses which can make it work for parties.
More on the differences though. Physically ketamine you lose many of your feelings about your body and external world hence the term dissaciative. DMT is dissaociating but in a completely different way. DMT is dissociating because you become so enraptured by what you are seeing that you kind of forget about your body or even that you took a drug! SWIM dunno the main difference psychically is dmt is very visual ketamine is only visual in the minds eye besides the strobe effect. SWIM is not good at describing how a drug feels though.
thepureskunk
Rising Star
I've had experience with K along with DMT.
IMO K takes you as deep (or in my case so far deeper) as DMT, and can give real insight. My most intense trip on K was 500mg taken orally. I was in the hole for over 45mins in which time I met 'God' and got judged. It was so crazy, as I was considered ok and was told where I could improve. The feeling was of pure love like I’ve never really felt before and the after glow from the trip lasted 5 days!! I was one happy person and I truly feel that the journey i had has changed me forever.
Also the visuals on K are very real and a K-Hole is something to give thanks for. I've had a few and never had a bad trip. I also found slow chilled music really helped to travel further as you could catch the music and travel with it...damn just typing this makes me want to do some! :d
I suppose that’s the downside. I can have half a G of DMT in the cupboard and not have any urge to do it unless really up for it. But with K it's very hard to leave alone. I have trouble getting it so this helps me keep my tolerance down.
DMT is great stuff, but for me it always takes me to the same place and is so hectic i struggle to take any in and appreciate it fully. My next mission is to do DMT orally with THH.
please don’t judge Ketamine on rumours and hear-say. Try a K-hole dose for yourself and then form your own opinion. It really is an awesome drug.
peace, TPS
IMO K takes you as deep (or in my case so far deeper) as DMT, and can give real insight. My most intense trip on K was 500mg taken orally. I was in the hole for over 45mins in which time I met 'God' and got judged. It was so crazy, as I was considered ok and was told where I could improve. The feeling was of pure love like I’ve never really felt before and the after glow from the trip lasted 5 days!! I was one happy person and I truly feel that the journey i had has changed me forever.
Also the visuals on K are very real and a K-Hole is something to give thanks for. I've had a few and never had a bad trip. I also found slow chilled music really helped to travel further as you could catch the music and travel with it...damn just typing this makes me want to do some! :d
I suppose that’s the downside. I can have half a G of DMT in the cupboard and not have any urge to do it unless really up for it. But with K it's very hard to leave alone. I have trouble getting it so this helps me keep my tolerance down.
DMT is great stuff, but for me it always takes me to the same place and is so hectic i struggle to take any in and appreciate it fully. My next mission is to do DMT orally with THH.
please don’t judge Ketamine on rumours and hear-say. Try a K-hole dose for yourself and then form your own opinion. It really is an awesome drug.
peace, TPS
anyone read journeys into the bright world?? or Lilly's work?? ..really interests me but I have never touched ketamine..in every instance I have come across it it was being used as a party drug, snorted with cocaine and mdma..I stayed away. Still though, those interesting reports are there to be found..
thepureskunk said:I've had experience with K along with DMT.
IMO K takes you as deep (or in my case so far deeper) as DMT, and can give real insight. My most intense trip on K was 500mg taken orally. I was in the hole for over 45mins in which time I met 'God' and got judged. It was so crazy, as I was considered ok and was told where I could improve. The feeling was of pure love like I’ve never really felt before and the after glow from the trip lasted 5 days!! I was one happy person and I truly feel that the journey i had has changed me forever.
Also the visuals on K are very real and a K-Hole is something to give thanks for. I've had a few and never had a bad trip. I also found slow chilled music really helped to travel further as you could catch the music and travel with it...damn just typing this makes me want to do some! :d
I suppose that’s the downside. I can have half a G of DMT in the cupboard and not have any urge to do it unless really up for it. But with K it's very hard to leave alone. I have trouble getting it so this helps me keep my tolerance down.
DMT is great stuff, but for me it always takes me to the same place and is so hectic i struggle to take any in and appreciate it fully. My next mission is to do DMT orally with THH.
please don’t judge Ketamine on rumours and hear-say. Try a K-hole dose for yourself and then form your own opinion. It really is an awesome drug.
peace, TPS
do you have experience with salvinorin A?? I have been working with salvia for a long time, but have no experience with other dissociatives..I was told they were similar, but have my doubts..sage seems to unique.
I've just read the Erowid k page after reading Burnt and Thepureskunk's thoughts. Now you've got SWIM curious. But it seems kind of dodgy, what with the brain lesions, addiction, drowning on vomit, egocentrism and paranoia risks...
Plus it makes you act completely mentally and physically handicapped!
Can anyone provide a link to a k visualisation?
On http://www.johnclilly.com/ , scroll down to the bottom, click on his picture, click 'inner dimension', and watch the animation. Is that what it looks like?
Plus it makes you act completely mentally and physically handicapped!
Can anyone provide a link to a k visualisation?
On http://www.johnclilly.com/ , scroll down to the bottom, click on his picture, click 'inner dimension', and watch the animation. Is that what it looks like?
The brain lesions are very very rare and happen mostly with other dissociatives like pcp and dxm. I do think addiction is a real risk with this substance though. I knew a few characters who got way too into dissociatives and really lost their minds. Moslty pcp though its the most damaging. ketamine is actually a really safe drug hence its continued use in clinical settings. its one of the few anesthetics that doesnt slow heart rate.
john lilly did tons of k for years straight. he become addicted and dependant on it but didn't really suffer from any serious long term problems as far as i know.
john lilly did tons of k for years straight. he become addicted and dependant on it but didn't really suffer from any serious long term problems as far as i know.
thepureskunk
Rising Star
ohayoco said:
K, AFAIK is safe as it's still used on humans. Addiction tho is a real possibility due to it being so good. BUT if you have high levels of self control then this is never gonna be a problem.
When i take K, its always either on my bed or couch. I never get up and try and move as yes you may look handicapped. Have you ever walked normally on a breakthrough dose of DMT? I haven't even tried...
K for me is what i read DMT to be... Total emersion in other worlds and the trip being different every time. DMT always takes me to the same place although i know that others react differently.
fractal enchantment- No I've never tried salvia but will do one day..
Peace, TPS
Yes SWIM did on his third time ever, he did too much for him (~70mg) and, perhaps due to the shock of it, he immediately opened his eyes in an attempt to stay in the physical realm, and wandered around the flat for most of the trip. He felt like he was moving as normal (the only difference being that his flat was completely alien to him and alive with spirits). To someone else, I think he would've looked astonished and confused, but that's it!thepureskunk said:
But people SWIM has watched smoking it look totally normal, usually with a nice smile on their face, so I guess one could walk around normally if not as confused as SWIM was.
Any examples of visuals out there?
It's late and I'll have to spend the time tomorrow finding the exact study, but it has been found that the neurotoxicity associated with (repeated, in the case of Ketamine) use of NMDA antagonists can be prevented by the combination of a 5-HT2a receptor agonist.
The only apparent danger associated with repeated ketamine use after you get around the possibility for neurotoxicity would be the damage it does to your kidney's.
I've personally found ketamine to be very immerse, although it largely depends on how you are using it. I've had the pleasure of experiencing both of the isomers separately and have to say that it is the ultimate tool in helping to understand the nature of near death experiences.
The weaker NMDA receptor agonist (R-ketamine) is much more visual but considerably less sedative. This can lead to some issues with wanting to stand up and do things, even though one is severely uncoordinated. The R isomer has a special 'white light' present in it's visual effects. It definitely left me feeling like I had actually died and been reborn, after the experience I felt like I was loved by the universe. I felt warm, as if I was being personally cradled by the god-head. Much like racemic ketamine, the experience felt very natural.
With the S-isomer, the whole experience felt much more mechanical. There was hardly any visual aspects associated with the experience, and mostly I felt the experience more than I actually saw anything. It felt as if I was being strapped into a roller coaster by some unseen force (although, unlike with my experiences on the R-isomer or racemic, it felt uniquely alien and unnatural). This roller coaster took me on a ride throughout the universe (again, a feeling and not a visual experience). Although there was no fear present during the experience, the whole thing was very dark and maniacal as if I was there to be taught a lesson and not to learn or be granted knowledge/love. One thing about the S-isomer is the lack in ability to accurately remember certain aspects of the trip. You can easily remember the general idea of the experience, but distinct details are lost in a fog.
My best experiences have been on the racemic and R-isomer ketamine. I would very much like to experiment with varying levels of the two isomers to find my personal sweet spot for effects. One thing I noticed about the S-ketamine was the intensity of the anti-depressant effects. I suffer from depression and anxiety, and after the s-ketamine experience I felt truly happy (distinctly different from the feelings after a strong NDE).
The next time I try ketamine it will most certainly be in combination with DMT. For any persons wishing to experience ketamine in all of it's glory without having to mess around with needles (as I.M. is by far the most consistent method of achieving a deep k-hole), I would strongly advise a combination of administration methods.
My most memorable and loving experience on ketamine (which was full of psychological aspects reminiscent of DMT) was when I combined rectal and nasal administration of the drug. This was years ago so my memory on the exact dosing is a bit foggy, although IIRC it was approximately 300-400mg rectally combined with 125-150mg snorted. Once the effects of the rectal admin. began to kick in, I proceeded to wait another 30-45 minutes before snorting the rest of the ketamine.
I certainly think no one should write off ketamine and pass up the experience if ever offered or in the position to try it. It's like any other drug, and it's effects are dependent all on how you use it and what you go into the experience expecting. Also, I personally wouldn't waste ketamine in doses below those reaching at least a minor k-hole. Ketamine below a dose necessary to achieve a K-hole (which is the dose that most ravers/party-going individuals use) is pointless and only imparts upon the user a state of euphoric drunkenness with no beneficial psychological affect.
The only apparent danger associated with repeated ketamine use after you get around the possibility for neurotoxicity would be the damage it does to your kidney's.
I've personally found ketamine to be very immerse, although it largely depends on how you are using it. I've had the pleasure of experiencing both of the isomers separately and have to say that it is the ultimate tool in helping to understand the nature of near death experiences.
The weaker NMDA receptor agonist (R-ketamine) is much more visual but considerably less sedative. This can lead to some issues with wanting to stand up and do things, even though one is severely uncoordinated. The R isomer has a special 'white light' present in it's visual effects. It definitely left me feeling like I had actually died and been reborn, after the experience I felt like I was loved by the universe. I felt warm, as if I was being personally cradled by the god-head. Much like racemic ketamine, the experience felt very natural.
With the S-isomer, the whole experience felt much more mechanical. There was hardly any visual aspects associated with the experience, and mostly I felt the experience more than I actually saw anything. It felt as if I was being strapped into a roller coaster by some unseen force (although, unlike with my experiences on the R-isomer or racemic, it felt uniquely alien and unnatural). This roller coaster took me on a ride throughout the universe (again, a feeling and not a visual experience). Although there was no fear present during the experience, the whole thing was very dark and maniacal as if I was there to be taught a lesson and not to learn or be granted knowledge/love. One thing about the S-isomer is the lack in ability to accurately remember certain aspects of the trip. You can easily remember the general idea of the experience, but distinct details are lost in a fog.
My best experiences have been on the racemic and R-isomer ketamine. I would very much like to experiment with varying levels of the two isomers to find my personal sweet spot for effects. One thing I noticed about the S-ketamine was the intensity of the anti-depressant effects. I suffer from depression and anxiety, and after the s-ketamine experience I felt truly happy (distinctly different from the feelings after a strong NDE).
The next time I try ketamine it will most certainly be in combination with DMT. For any persons wishing to experience ketamine in all of it's glory without having to mess around with needles (as I.M. is by far the most consistent method of achieving a deep k-hole), I would strongly advise a combination of administration methods.
My most memorable and loving experience on ketamine (which was full of psychological aspects reminiscent of DMT) was when I combined rectal and nasal administration of the drug. This was years ago so my memory on the exact dosing is a bit foggy, although IIRC it was approximately 300-400mg rectally combined with 125-150mg snorted. Once the effects of the rectal admin. began to kick in, I proceeded to wait another 30-45 minutes before snorting the rest of the ketamine.
I certainly think no one should write off ketamine and pass up the experience if ever offered or in the position to try it. It's like any other drug, and it's effects are dependent all on how you use it and what you go into the experience expecting. Also, I personally wouldn't waste ketamine in doses below those reaching at least a minor k-hole. Ketamine below a dose necessary to achieve a K-hole (which is the dose that most ravers/party-going individuals use) is pointless and only imparts upon the user a state of euphoric drunkenness with no beneficial psychological affect.
nice post bluecurry!..def peaked my interest. Lots of research to be done, and I would need to find a for sure clean source and find an experienced guide..but one day.
islandhome
Rising Star
u can not walk around on a break through
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thats sort of my fear..good to hear people dont move around while peaking on ketamine.I used to be a runner when dosing high with salvinorin A, until I learned how to die that is! still wouldnt want to begin attempting to move around physically while k-holing. I once introduced a friend to salvia, while he was on LSD, but I was unaware. I didnt know him that well at the time, but knew he had experience with other psychedelics, including DMT. I had never tried spice but heard the stories so I though he could handle a hit of plain leaf... he took a hit and looked like this:shock: ...and ran full speed into the forest with bare feet without saying a word to us..and he was gone so deep he thought he was just moving through some OTHER space!..could be dangerous..
that is! still wouldnt want to begin attempting to move around physically while k-holing. I once introduced a friend to salvia, while he was on LSD, but I was unaware. I didnt know him that well at the time, but knew he had experience with other psychedelics, including DMT. I had never tried spice but heard the stories so I though he could handle a hit of plain leaf... he took a hit and looked like this:shock: ...and ran full speed into the forest with bare feet without saying a word to us..and he was gone so deep he thought he was just moving through some OTHER space!..could be dangerous..even when I was on the R-isomer experience, I was still very uncoordinated and sedated, just I had the ability to stand and move around without instantly collapsing onto the floor. The biggest benefit was the ability to manipulate the mouse and toilet seat/flush while very inebriated. The biggest danger would be tripping and not reacting fast resulting in you smacking your face into the ground (which has happened to me but I was already on my knee's).
when you get into a K-hole it will plant you on your ass and a) you won't feel the need to get up and move around and b) you wouldn't be able to. I'm sure if one is predisposed to psychotic episodes, it might be possible upon leaving the k-hole however if you're doing DMT or other hallucinogens and not freaking out/running around naked, than chances are you definitely won't be doing that on ketamine.
Salvia doesn't count. I've heard too many horror stories of people going off into their own little world while their body runs amok.
when you get into a K-hole it will plant you on your ass and a) you won't feel the need to get up and move around and b) you wouldn't be able to. I'm sure if one is predisposed to psychotic episodes, it might be possible upon leaving the k-hole however if you're doing DMT or other hallucinogens and not freaking out/running around naked, than chances are you definitely won't be doing that on ketamine.
Salvia doesn't count. I've heard too many horror stories of people going off into their own little world while their body runs amok.