last extraction,Mystery crystal

[blueshaman]

My last few end compound results and the natural source i used for extracting my DMT ( acacia longfolia strain ,the bark)

the crystal im unsure of whether it is in HCL form or freebase.im aware many beleive freebase doesnt come in crystal form ,i have seen formation of crystals from impure solvent solution that was taken after being basifyied. I didnt know to seperate the bottom water layer from the middle solvent layer for awhile and this i beleive could be why i observed crystal formation from a solvent solution containg freebase DMT, I can confirm the greenish tinge was due to chlorophyll impurities most likely. The crystals that formed from the freebase solutions i evaporated could be explained by sodium hydroxide impurities when i didnt remove the bottom basified water before evaping test drops. I once grew heaps of 1-2 cm wide greenish crystals over several days time,i thought they looked awsome! all spikey and green and glass like. But looking back i know it was because it was impurities causing the issues to an extent but. Still i remain convinced that DMT freebase can form crysalls over 1-3 days.It has to its no longer an oil like alkaloid its been converted too freebase form which is goo ish when close to evaporating dry,like cum.Ive observed ! but i found it drys out to powder once fully dried over several days,And the greenish crystals i mentioned would dissapear to once ,fully dryed out ,all the crystalline structures that would form in the solution when sat out to dry would form crysalline structures thoroughly throughout the solution after a day,But always dryed out to form a powdery compound,ive had 2 types,one yellowish white that takes a cum like appearence just before drying off all the solvent,and one that comes out as full spikey broken glass like crystals that dry to powder and lose crystal appearance. i found the cum like stuff predominatly when evaporating over a heat source,and the other when doing it naturally over several days.I no theres DMT in my starting material !
0.2-60 % (tests done in 1967 so levels could of risen over 40 years) in my current strain im using. Ive got around 4 grams perfect translucent square crystals that have lil x in them they are HCL tho. and come from roughly 700grams maybe 900.certainly not a Kilogram but. I have yet to check my remaining ones so more to come yet.

But this mystery cup that produced this beautiful rectangular glass very clear almost see through crystals.Perfect and forming smaller ones ontop like steps. i was certain it was not impurities,the formation of this compound was perfect and nothing else existed within the cup,no colour,changes of crystalline structuring , and all in this cup,pure as pure and all within 100mls? of most likely isopropyl alcohol 100% because thats all i ever used .this wasbest of any of the end products i have ended up with since i begun experimenting with DMT . It formed in a small glass that i was sure only contained a solvent solution i used for washing my main solution ,I must of confused myself because days later after i did the cook, i returned to check my results and out of all my main dishes from the main solutions i worked with,None matched the appearance or nature of this compound i found in a glass tucked away to the side. The formation of the crystals where large rectangle square shapes that seemed to step up in layers with more square crystals on top of each other. They where clear and see through almost just like glass,I have never had the same results and none of my other solutions i had evaporating yeild even remotely similar results, I am still perplexed as to how i yielded these results,And because of that i am unable to make it again.

It smoked a lot different than anything Ive made too,It vaporized 90% of the crystals size before smoking,Vaporized into a sweet tasting almost water like vapor,That didn't produce a visible smoke when i exhaled, I also experienced stronger buzzy natural orgasm type feeling and for a few seconds spaced right out to nothingness but speedily returned to consciousness to find i broke a small bit of the top of my pipe and not being able to explain to myself how it happened,I also felt like i was at the intro of the tripping stage i remember from LSD and various 2c compounds and psilocybin. I smoked roughly 150 mgs to 250 in 2 successions. It was good shit ! if anybody here has had identical results please tell me!

 

[endlessness]

dmt hcl is a goo

how can you not know if its freebase or hcl? it doesnt make sense.. Dont you know how you extracted?

 

[blueshaman]

dmt hcl is a goo

how can you not know if its freebase or hcl? it doesn't make sense.. Dont you know how you extracted?

DMT in freebase form is a goo ish solution if not properly evaporated and contains solvent residual impurities, Once fully evaporated freebase can crystallize into spiky greenish to yellow to clear formations,I have observed spiky green tinged crystals form after evaporating natural over 2-3 days. You are correct if you are talking about end compound results when evaporating over a heat source in a few hours . The DMT wont form big crystals like it does when evaporating at natural rate over a few days. IT will form almost a sandy product. DMT freebase can also when evaporated over a heat source form a yellowish white almost cum like texture when at low solvent levels during heating evaporation and acquires a yellowish white powder once fully dry. Ive seen various results ranging from spiky green glass like crystals to yellowish white powder to yellow circle formations with squarish crystal in the middle.

Summary,Only improper evaporated solutions have a gooish appearance. all drugs should have a clean dry texture when pure and fully evaporated

 

[blueshaman]

dmt hcl is a goo

how can you not know if its freebase or hcl? it doesnt make sense.. Dont you know how you extracted?

Oh and i can tell if its HCL or freebase form because i will remember adding hydrochloric acid in the synthesis to convert it from freebase to HCL salt.

Unless im experimenting and working with muliple extract solutions and that,In that case i often get confused and are unsure what end compounds came from what. This is the reason i dont know which solution the above crystal came from

 

[endlessness]

No DMT is never green.. If its green then you either have nasty solvent impurities (anti-rust inhibitor from fuel solvents?) or some other impurity. Be careful what youre smoking/ingesting.

And I was talking about DMT HCL (hydrochloride), which you thought it might be what youre looking at, and what im saying is that its impossible because dmt HCL wont form and maintain crystals, it will be a goo...

and what are you talking about 'synthesis'? do you know the difference of synthesis and extraction?


Plus, you shouldnt be making multiple extractions and getting confused, and then potentially get yourself hurt physically or psychologically when ingesting some unwanted substance in an unwanted amount.

And if you're extracting different things at once, how do you think we're gonna have any idea what the heck some blurry picture is, if even you dont know?

 

[blueshaman]

No DMT is never green.. If its green then you either have nasty solvent impurities or some other impurity.

And I was talking about DMT HCL (hydrochloride), which you thought it might be what youre looking at, and what im saying is that its impossible because dmt HCL wont form and maintain crystals, it will be a goo...

and what are you talking about 'synthesis'? do you know the difference of synthesis and extraction?

I can explain why the DMT was pure as i was using a strain that was confirmed to contain bufotine and could of been on the many varying DMT alkaloids ie NN dmt A-mt etc . Anyway im certain it retained a green tinge because of chlorophyll residue in my reaction vessel left from soaking leaves and stem from the same strain, I since stopped working with anything that contains chlorophyll and use bark.

in response to your statement that dmt HCL doesn't form and maintain crystals, Is that verified with actual personal experience working with various DMT formations ? As every time i have made either freebase or hcl forms and evaporated them i always yielded a dry crystalline product,Whether just powdery or actual crystals . How can you say that end compounds can only come in a goo form. That is not true in any experience that i am drawing my statements from

 

[blueshaman]

No DMT is never green.. If its green then you either have nasty solvent impurities (anti-rust inhibitor from fuel solvents?) or some other impurity. Be careful what youre smoking/ingesting.

And I was talking about DMT HCL (hydrochloride), which you thought it might be what youre looking at, and what im saying is that its impossible because dmt HCL wont form and maintain crystals, it will be a goo...

and what are you talking about 'synthesis'? do you know the difference of synthesis and extraction?


Plus, you shouldnt be making multiple extractions and getting confused, and then potentially get yourself hurt physically or psychologically when ingesting some unwanted substance in an unwanted amount.

And if you're extracting different things at once, how do you think we're gonna have any idea what the heck some blurry picture is, if even you dont know?

In regards to your question regarding if i know the difference between what and extraction is and what a synthesis is, is yes i do know, and extraction is a process where you utilize solvents to extract desired constituents of the natural compound you intend to use. basically an extraction is using a solvent to extraction alkaloids/molecules into a substance that its soluble in. in my case methylated spirits is used Hence it extracts the DMT alkaloids from the bark.

A synthesis is just a word used to describe a series of reactions that are followed to obtained a compound. Technically an extraction is a part of the synthesis ,alone its called just an extraction process,But when using naoh to extract the converted DMT alkaloids in the initial extract solution into freebase form, you are synthesizing DMT freebase and there afore are performing a synthesis

 

[blueshaman]

Plus, you shouldnt be making multiple extractions and getting confused, and then potentially get yourself hurt physically or psychologically when ingesting some unwanted substance in an unwanted amount.

And if you're extracting different things at once, how do you think we're gonna have any idea what the heck some blurry picture is, if even you dont know?

You are right i shouldn't be experimenting with my main solutions,But that is the way i learn.

You can help get an idea with this information. The strain of acacia i used it an acacia longfolia strain. And it only contains DMT in it, No undesirable alkaloids like acacia dealbata and baliyania or however its spelt.

Im pretty much just inquiring whether anybody has seen similar crystal formations from HCL or freebase forms.

And i apologize for the crap pictures,i wish i had a better camera on hand.

 

[blueshaman]

oh and this is what DMT converted into one of the salt forms, HCL , furmate etc look like,The first few pics being of the initial product yielded in the first evap after conversion. the following are after that are what it looks like after washing the beginning sandy product and allowing to naturally evap and recrystallize and the last are freebase forms

 

[blueshaman]

No DMT is never green.. If its green then you either have nasty solvent impurities (anti-rust inhibitor from fuel solvents?) or some other impurity. Be careful what youre smoking/ingesting.

And in response to this i direct your attention to the attached image of a solution that was separated after basifying that came from a glass bottle that had residual chlorophyll from prior extraction solutions i soaked in it.

It can also happen when using leaves as they contain chlorophyll , the chlorophyll was just a impurity in the freebase crystals making it green tinged

 

[The Traveler]

No DMT is never green.. If its green then you either have nasty solvent impurities or some other impurity.

And I was talking about DMT HCL (hydrochloride), which you thought it might be what youre looking at, and what im saying is that its impossible because dmt HCL wont form and maintain crystals, it will be a goo...

and what are you talking about 'synthesis'? do you know the difference of synthesis and extraction?

I can explain why the DMT was pure as i was using a strain that was confirmed to contain bufotine and could of been on the many varying DMT alkaloids ie NN dmt A-mt etc .

I'm sorry to say so but looking at this quote and your other posts it seems you are confused about quite some substances, solvents, salts, etc.

It seems like you think you know a lot but to us, looking at you, you are someone who started extractions and you are using too many assumptions instead of solid facts. I would suggest you better read up on safety first.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

 

[blueshaman]

No DMT is never green.. If its green then you either have nasty solvent impurities or some other impurity.

And I was talking about DMT HCL (hydrochloride), which you thought it might be what youre looking at, and what im saying is that its impossible because dmt HCL wont form and maintain crystals, it will be a goo...

and what are you talking about 'synthesis'? do you know the difference of synthesis and extraction?

I can explain why the DMT was pure as i was using a strain that was confirmed to contain bufotine and could of been on the many varying DMT alkaloids ie NN dmt A-mt etc .

I'm sorry to say so but looking at this quote and your other posts it seems you are confused about quite some substances, solvents, salts, etc.

It seems like you think you know a lot but to us, looking at you, you are someone who started extractions and you are using too many assumptions instead of solid facts. I would suggest you better read up on safety first.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Hello traveler,Thank you heaps for you input i appreciate your honest opinion and have thought about what you said,And i will agree with you that i have experienced much confusion along the way since i begun my intriguing research into DMT and acacia strains in australia. For me the way i am and how i learn is through researching and experimenting until i perfect both the knowledge required and the product i can yeild. The path i have walked has been long and ive changed alot.Ive come along way since i entered the world of drugs. You say looking at me i appear like
" someone who started extractions and you are using too many assumptions instead of solid facts. I would suggest you better read up on safety first." Well that my freind is assuming something yourself, As you assume that i am somebody who is foolish enough to attempt even synthesizing DMT before even understanding the very fundamental basics of chemistry. I admit i know none of any of you on this forum,And i wont try and compare skill levels with anybody. =]

Safety? i know about safety, How carcinogenic solvents can be when left in open air enviroments. Aromatic solvents are worse. How dangerous and corrosive 80% hydrochloric acid is,And how it burns if you are foolish enough to spill it on yourself,or inhale the fumes/smoke whilste it evaporates into the air because hydrochloric acid is hydrogen gas molecules and chlorine molecules by very strong covalent chemical bonds.Once exposed to oxygen it will evaporate as a smokey vapour into the air ,And when used in solutions after it reacts it slowly evaporates into the air ! even if its not heated ! This is dangerous as it will burn your nose if you cop a wiff close enough, This sounds unlikely but if you dont know that HCL acid is evaporating still it could burn you good. If used in high amounts it builds up in the surrounding air if inside a house.And the air aquires a very noticable but light smokey appearance,Kind of salty tasting it reminded me of salt and vinegar chips. This is a big safety issue HCL acid is terrible for your lungs,Subcutaneous tissues. And unless diluted to the absolute most with water,Its bad for your blood and anything else that is your body lol!~~


But i never had a mishap with HCL . or any other acids.

The only chemical i have had an issue with is sodium hydroxide. My hands took one for the team last few DMT projects i did last week. I have a pair of chemical resistant big red gloves.I just was too off my head to think of using them or remembering i had them.

My hands got munted by the naoh. i learned my lesson but. I always knew what it did when you get it on your skin. Recklessness was the cause ,due to getting to wasted and obsessed with making DMT .

So i agree in some ways, i do need to apply a little more safety in my projects. That said i am fully aware of the chemical nature of the substances im using. And their carcinogenic. When one works with them so much they begin to not care about the exposure as much as others do. Still ofcourse not risking others safety or his own.Atleast this is how i have seen people go.Even myself now.

I ask you all hear on nexus to bear with me,I am walking a path of great wonderful personal interest in learning chemistry and mycology and ethnobotanicals. I started just because i liked getting high,And soon found myself needing to understand how the substances i was uses interacted with my brain,How they manipulated receptor sites to trigger release of dopamine and serotonin,as well as many others that are important for understanding how drugs produce effects on us via releasing chemicals in our brains.

That very fact was the main reason alex shulgin every became a physcopharmacologist. i am in noway comparing myself to him,He is a inspiration to me.And i share his curiosity about chemistry and how drugs affects peoples mentality and behavior.

I learned alot about organic chemistry both at the basic level and medium hardish. As with anything you can always learn more. But knowing something is not enough if you havnt performed it practically ! and i have done both to the extent that i grasp the chemistry fundamentals and am capable of performing a fair few reaction techs.

With everything i research i practice.And keep practicing until i feel satisfied i have become as good as im able too. Im sorry if the way i explain things is not worded correctly ,sometimes i explain things in confusing manners. And i may coin a word that i associate with something,That could mean something differnt,to describe something i believe something may be called,and could be wrong,I am willing to admit im wrong if proved so. I am stubborn yes at times! but only if i certain i am correct.

Summary i have much to learn and is why i want to become a active member here =] i used this website for many months reading many threads and analyzing many pics posted by some very smart lads. I know there are smart minds here at play and honestly i seek to talk most to them and learn some new things.

I may be seen as a fool or somebody pretending to be smart,but i am just a person who never thought he was intelligent,until i fell inlove with the world of chemistry and pharmacology. Later replaced with mycology. which is something entirely different and bigger in my life.


I have experienced most known drugs like 2cb,mdma,mda,tma6, lsd-25 , psilocybin mushrooms , heroin,morphine, Oxycontin, Valium, benzodiazapeines ,speed,ice,coke, ,marijuana plus more point is im fairly educated about the effects and how they feel etc which is good when making something like DMT. You have a general beleif of what im your after.Whether its solvent impurities that are to account for certain way it tastes or affects you,I say this because i once smoked residual solvent spice,and i could taste the solvent and feel the effects,this was due to not washing the spice enough to clean it and evap completely dry.

I crave the knowledge and i crave performing it and mastering it. I am nowhere near close in any of my driving desires. But im past the thresh hold and i have a decent understanding to grease the wheels of learning.

I have big dreams , and aspirations that i could live to become if i go to uni and study chemistry and mycology.

I am the next Great Shaman of down under! I already am the only supplier of psilocybin spore prints (for microscopy study only ) in Australia that exists

And big plans i wont reveal here just yet that will soon make me the only mycology supply outlet in aus.

I talk the talk and i walk the walk. I come here with open arms and a willing mind to share and learn information.

Please accept Blueshamans apology if i offended or upset anybody


thanks for the input,please reply with anything you wish to add.