Lazyman Tek Question(s) First Time Extraction

[Nihon_Hyperspace]

Hey there everyone,

After doing extensive research into extraction methods, and this being my very first post on the forums, Swim thought he would give the Lazyman tek a shot and see if he could get anything out of it. However, even though he looked through multiple past threads regarding the lazy man tek, Swim still cannot find the answer he is looking for.

Swim will now share his basic understanding of this tek:

Mash up MHRB, mix correct amounts of lye with correct amounts of water, mix lye/water mix with the mashed up MHRB, then add naptha to the mix, gently stir mixture for 20-30 minutes and do not cause emulsion, wait 2-3 hours for mixture to sit, extract naptha layer on top of mixture with glass turkey baster and place this liquid into a flat glass baking pan, have fan blowing over top of glass baking pan, wait for naptha to evaporate, then scrape dry crystal off pan and Voila!

So here are SWIM's guidelines he will use in order to reference his upcoming questions:

Break 400 to 500 grams of Mimosa hostilis root bark, whether inner, outer or whole root into
small enough pieces all of it will fit into a large ceramic or stainless steel mixing bowl with
enough room left over to only fill the bowl half way to the top. Next, completely dissolve 200
grams of NaOH/sodium hydroxide into 2000-3000 ml of tap water and add to the root bark.

Wait an hour for the lye/sodium hydroxide to soften up the root bark and then using a stainless
steel potato masher stir and mash the base adjusted water into the pieces of root bark for 20-30
minutes and then pour in 250+ ml of naphtha into the bowl and mix for another 20-30 minutes.
After you are done mixing the root bark let it sit for a few minutes so that any emulsion which
might have stirred up into the solvent to settle out and then just pour the majority of the solvent
off of the top of the basified aqueous mix into a large flat glass baking pan and evaporate with a
fan blowing air across the top of the fluid to net 600-1000 mg of alkaloid in just a few hours.

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First off, SWIM only wants to use 200 grams of MHRB for his first extraction. Also he will be buying a pound of powdered MHRB and NOT MHRB that is still in present hard-root form

SWIM does not like to eyeball things or guess how much of naptha, lye, water, or MHRB he is using. SWIM wants exact measurements so he can yield maximum results.

So here are SWIM's questions:

1) if using powdered MHRB, is the mashing component of this tek necessary? Or can he just add the powdered MHRB straight into the lye/water mixture? Does powdered MHRB change the entire formula?

2) If using only 200g of MHRB, what are the exact amounts of water, lye, and naptha SWIM should use?

3) After extracting crystals from the first "pull", does SWIM repeat this process for multiple yields by simply adding more naptha to his leftover mixture, or is additional lye and water required to add to the mixture for the second, third, fourth pulls, etc. If so, how much naptha, lye, and water is required for these additional pulls.


I know SWIM has a lot of questions, and SWIM thanks you for your time. He is very excited to hear back from everyone and he appreciates all of your help and support!

 

[VanillaSpice]

Hey Nihon, I think I may be able to assist. I use pre-powdered consistently and with great results. You need not mash up prepowdered bark as it is already at its maximum as far as exposed material goes.

Your second question brings me to a point I have wanted to make for a while. WHen using prepowdered bark it is suggested that you add 20% more water. That idea is fine in itself. I use quart sized mason jars for my tek. Which is essentially a tek that was posted by Nature Boy, you can find it if you google it. I have found that adding water to the quart jars isn't very feasible and leaves you with less space to work with. That tek calls for 600ml water, 100g lye and 100g of MHRB. Instead of adding 20% more water I just subtract 20% MHRB. Just be sure you wait until the water lye mixture in the quart jars cools to atleast room temperature. I learned the hard way that adding the root bark early releases more than what you want. Thats if purity is your thing of course.

Lastly, when you retrieve your container from the freezer to collect the cystals you can simply pour the naptha back into the MHRB/water/lye solution. You may add fresh naptha if you think it is necessary. I use 50-100ml naptha per pull, more than that is just a waste of time and materials imho. I can get up to 5 acceptable pulls, per extraction with these methods.

There are certainly more qualified individuals on here but I hope you can find your way with my tips. Let us know how it goes.

 

[VanillaSpice]

I apologize, I had to get up a few times in writing that last post. The reason the original tek called for an increase of 20% water or in my case 20% less bark is because prepowdered bark is a different situation than all other forms of bark. By making the 20% adjustment it ensures that you will have a nice liquidy base as you do not want it to be sludge.

 

[Nihon_Hyperspace]

@Vanilla Spice: Thank you for your reply! It was extremely helpful and supportive. However, it brings along a new set of questions.

The technique you mentioned (Nature boy tek) seems to be a more simplified version on Noman's tek, which involves using a freezer to put a jar of the naptha solution in the freezer, then dumping the naptha back into the MHRB/Lye/Water mixture with the remaining DMT crystals in the jar. The problem is, swim is not sure if his freezer is cold enough "to make ice cream rock solid", so that is why he opted for the lazyman tek.

So swim's questions are, if swim uses 20% more water since swim is using powdered MHRB, does that mean swim also needs to increase the amount of lye in the mixture? Also, does the standard 600ml water, 100g lye, 100g MHRB, plus 50-100ml of naptha work for the lazyman tek or just the Nature Boy / Noman Tek?

Also, the lazyman tek does not involve using a freezer, but simply pouring the naptha solution into a flat glass baking pan (after sitting in the lye/water/mhrb solution for 2-3 hours of course) and then placing a fan over the pan, and wait for the naptha to evaporate and then extracting the dry dmt crystals from the pan.

It appears to Swim (and correct him if he's wrong) that you are using the nature boy / noman tek because you can reuse the said naptha without it evaporating so you can extract more dmt additionally from the mixture. So let's say that Swim did use your tek. Once the jar has stayed overnight in the freezer and you dump the naptha back into the mixture using a coffee filter/funnel, do you leave the crystals in the jar, or are the crystals also supposed to be poured out onto the coffee filter and dried? Once these crystals are dried, is that the final step and you are done? Are these dried crystals basified dmt? Also, do the jars you use for the lye/water/mhrb and the jars you freeze need to have holes in the top of them or can they just be sealed shut?

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So to Swim's understanding, this is going to be Swim's procedure for extraction,

1) Get a large mixing bowl and/or glass jar and add 100g of POWDERED MHRB
2) Mix 720ml (20% additional) of water and 100g of lye together and add to mixing bowl/glass jar
3) Once MHRB/Water/Lye is completely mixed, add 100ml of naptha to mixture in mixing bowl/glass jar
4) Gently stir mixture for a good 30 minutes and do not cause emulsion
5) Wait 2-3 hours and let the naptha float back to the top to create the naptha/dmt mixture

6) OPTION 1 With a glass turkey baster, add naptha mixture to flat glass cooking pan, place fan next to pan and let Naptha evaporate over time, and then scrape the dry dmt crystals off the pan OR (OPTION 2) place the naptha/dmt solution into an additional glass jar and let freeze over night

7) If swim goes with Option 1, clean glass pan, add more naptha to remaining mixture, wait for it to settle over time again, and repeat the evaporation process to extract more crystals. If Swim goes with Option 2, get frozen jar, pour naptha back into remaining mhrb/water/lye solution with a coffee filter, leave crystals in glass jar, wait for glass jar to dry completely, then scrape off the dried crystals from inside the jar and repeat the process, recycling the same naptha over and over again and never adding additional lye/water/mhrb to his mixture.


Let swim know what you think of his plan! Thank you again for all of your help and support!

 

[VanillaSpice]

First let me apologize for taking so long to reply, I have been very busy with work. Let's see where were at. Yes if you increase the water volume you must also increase the lye by the same. The water lye ratio must be the same to achieve proper ph levels. I cannot emphasize enough on using a freezer over air evap. I am not saying evap doesn't yield results. But you will not get "crystals" you will get more of a goo or paste. Once you experience crystal you'll understand. Id attempt one freeze extraction atleast to see how your freezer gets, if its below 30 you're good. I never use jars for freezer collection. Go with flat Pyrex dishes, rectangular, cover with saran wrap with no holes. Your jar with base and mhrb i suggest using mason jars, you do not want that coming out at all. Lye is danger! Blind you for life danger. Please read over all safety precautions for your own good. Now, the large flat area of the Pyrex dish will allow for the majority of crystals to stick, pouring slowly back into the extraction jar you should not lose anything even without a filter, just go slow. Be patient, never rush. If you use more than 600 ml just adjust the amount of naptha by the ratio I gave. 100 ml naptha is plenty per 600 ml water. Allow the dishes to air dry at an angle so as to allow the remaining liquid and any condensation to drip down thus not redissolving your prize. Ive used a little rack from walmart to place them on their sides to drip dry. What's left is good to use as you choose...changa is the way to go...check for it in the wiki. Note: crystals do not like humidity, if temps are high and you don't have AC wait for a cooler temps, or you'll become frustrated. Lots of trial and error, but more than worth it. Keep your thoughts on your intentions and it will come out in your results.