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less mescaline potency in lophophora williamsi graft ?

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B1ack_Ph03niX

B1ack_Ph03niX

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hello

i heard form my friend that grafting lophophora will make mescalin potency and other alkaloid very low because of this you cant trip with it?
is it true ?
anyone use grafted lophophora?

thanks
 
I've always heard grafting a Lophophora to a trich. Will decrease the Lophophoras potency, but that it would still be more potent than the Pedro it was grafted to.
 
any idea about lophophera on pereskia
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No good studies have been done.
Grafted plants definitely contain alkaloid, they work.

Since the average mescaline content of peyote is 1-2% despite it being able to get near 6% in rare cases there are several forms of Trichocereus more potent than average peyote.

Erowid Peyote (Lophophora williamsii) Vault : Dosage

Information on the typical dose/dosage of Lophophora williamsii (peyote).
erowid.org
 
As posted here, there is one study that looked at grafted mescaline-producing cact and the levels of mescaline were same on control vs the grafted one. That was trichocereus, though.

It would be interesting to see a similar test being done with lophophora... Anne Halonium, a controversial researcher, swore that her grafted peyotes had same potency as normal ones, but never provided any actual numbers or controlled test results.

If anybody can grow 'yotes normal vs grafted, id be totally willing to test it!
 
I'd do it but I don't grow peyote these days.
If I could do so legally I'd set up an experiment.
I'd also like to see a single clone of peyote tested on different grafting stocks.
 
What would be a reason for such change in chemical composition of grafted peyote?
Is there any real evidence that such peyotes are weaker?
 
If someone could run complete analysis through a gc/ms. I could provide material. Plenty of old mature lophs on own roots grown outdoors as well as the grafts growing on trichocereus, pereskiopsis, hylocereus.
 
doubledog said:
What would be a reason for such change in chemical composition of grafted peyote?
Is there any real evidence that such peyotes are weaker?
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Not any solid evidence to speak of.
There are some theories about faster growing plants being weaker however data is sorely needed .
 
I think there was a Japanese study of graft alkaloid content from over a decade ago.
 
Lots of anecdotal reports suggest growth rate and maturity being important, being inversely and directly proportional to potency, respectively.
Aging of cut buttons may be important too. We know from tests on Trichs that aging a cut stem several months before extracting can increase potency. In the old days mature peyotes were harvested and the buttons were placed, cut side up, in the shade with free air flow for many months to dry. These days commercially harvested peyote is small young regrowth cut and promptly dried. Commercial peyote today tests as just a fraction of the potency of the stuff that the harvesters grandfathers produced from the same land.
I just checked and I have 8 grape sized pups sitting on a shelf that I cut 12 months and 10 days ago and they still aren't dried! They're just shriveled and sporting lots of root buds on the cut surface. Buttons tolerate aging well.
[I should plant those :lol: ]
 
It’s a sad state of affairs in the Peyote garden of south Texas.

12 months is quite some time especially for small cacti cuttings not sitting on soil. The ones I’ve rooted I let sit for a couple months then placed them directly on the airy rocky soil. Takes awhile for them to grab ahold but once they get one root out they start rooting much faster.
 
doubledog said:
What would be a reason for such change in chemical composition of grafted peyote?
Is there any real evidence that such peyotes are weaker?
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i think because mescaline increases in peyote with environment shocks like less watering in soil
so grafted peyotes have best position for grow because of this mescaline potency decried in it
 
endlessness said:
As posted here, there is one study that looked at grafted mescaline-producing cact and the levels of mescaline were same on control vs the grafted one. That was trichocereus, though.

It would be interesting to see a similar test being done with lophophora... Anne Halonium, a controversial researcher, swore that her grafted peyotes had same potency as normal ones, but never provided any actual numbers or controlled test results.

If anybody can grow 'yotes normal vs grafted, id be totally willing to test it!
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wow so much info thanks
 
Was this question answered for peyote in the meantime?

If not, are these offers still on? :)

endlessness said:
If anybody can grow 'yotes normal vs grafted, id be totally willing to test it!
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TexasTrichocereus said:
If someone could run complete analysis through a gc/ms. I could provide material. Plenty of old mature lophs on own roots grown outdoors as well as the grafts growing on trichocereus, pereskiopsis, hylocereus.
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