antrocles said:
this is WONDERFUL!! i'm soooooo grateful for this forum! so much shared information....just wow. so- 69ron, you have been a font of wisdom from day 1 for me. i have a question about the chacruna as i am more than willing to give it a shot. 1. what extraction tek do you use? 2. i just went to BBB and they have seeds, dried leaf and fresh leaf....what would be best? also, they have peruvian or hawaiian...
the chaliponga has me absolutely intrigued....it has 5-Meo-DMT in it?? can it be extracted as a freebase (that goes for chacruna as well)?
many many thanks my friends!
love and gratitude!
Hawaiian chacruna is almost always much more potent. Fresh leaves are better than dried.
You can extract these just like they are MHRB, but you need to defat them.
SWIM likes chacruna because it works better in a Soxhlet than MHRB. MHRB tends to clog a Soxhlet unless its not too finely ground. Whole pieces of MHRB work, but take longer to extract.
SWIM extracts chacruna by placing 100 grams of crushed leaves into a 1000 ml Soxhlet along with 700 ml of 91% USP grade isopropyl alcohol. No Soxhlet thimble is needed, just a large cotton ball plug is placed at the bottom of the Soxhlet to prevent the leaves from falling into the boiling flask below. The Soxhlet automatically performs the alcohol extraction. He lets if run by itself overnight. That’s about 20 automatic extractions. This extracts about 99.9% of all the DMT present.
Next he distills the alcohol down to about 100 ml and adds 200 ml of water and adds citric acid, bringing the pH to 5 if not already at 5. It’s usually already at 5.
Next he does an exclusive extraction (a “defat”) to extract all the fats, oils, and other junk while leaving behind the DMT. This is done with dichloromethane. He mixes the solution with 100 ml of dichloromethane, shakes and removes the dichloromethane. He repeats this 5 times to make sure all the junk is removed that’s soluble in dichloromethane.
Next he freebases the DMT making it soluble in dichloromethane and does an inclusive extraction to extract the DMT. He does this by adding sodium carbonate to the alcohol/water solution until the pH is about 9.5-10.5. Then he extracts 5 times with 100 ml of dichloromethane. He then distill off most of the dichloromethane down to about 50 ml. He then lets the rest of the dichloromethane evaporate completely at room temperature.
Next he freeze precipitates the DMT. To do this he dissolves the goo in 100 ml of hot heptane (no hotter than 50 C) and pours off the heptane leaving behind the impurities. He lets this cool down to room temperature. If it’s cloudy, he places this into the freezer overnight. If not, he lets it evaporate until it looks cloudy and then places it into the freezer overnight. The following morning he collects the freebase DMT crystals by carefully and quickly pouring off the ice cold heptane leaving behind all the freebase DMT.
He then does another freeze precipitation with more heptane until no more precipitates out.
Sorry, SWIM’s procedure is a little advanced. Sometimes SWIM uses a CLLE for the liquid liquid extraction part because it's automatic, but although its automatic and simple it takes a long time so sometimes he just uses a separatory funnel.
SWIM is switching over to using d-limonene though. He hasn't perfected his d-limonene based DMT tech yet and still uses DCM (dichloromethane) mostly for DMT extraction. But he will eventually no longer use DCM or even heptane, for obvious health reasons.
