Low dose DMT for euphoria/body load

[SpasticSpaz]

One of the reasons oral DMT is SWIM's preferred psychedelic is its wonderful body load and euphoria on come up and come down, when the psychedelic effects are not prominent. His whole body feels suffused with absolute warmth and joy, in contrast to LSD, which feels very "wired", and the 2C's, which make him feel like he has a bad cold.

As a result, during a time when he didn't want to have a full trip, he had the thought of attempting to peak at that point in the experience. So he dosed 30mg DMT (freebase) and 50mg harmine, and he seems to have hit it nearly on the nose. Almost all that lovely body load and euphoria (with a distinct note of contentment to it) he enjoys so much with very little psychedelia, His thoughts were definitely a little racing-y, he felt a bit more introspective, and felt very tactile, but he was fully coherent. Visual distortion were subtle, if present at all.

SWIM isn't sure if he'll do it again or not, it seems like not only somewhat of a misuse of DMT, but also like it rather easily be psychologically, if not physically, addictive (SWIM has never felt the urge to redose after psychedelic doses, but he certainly felt a twinge of wanting to after this experience). However, it was definitely an enjoyable experience.

He's looked around the internet, and hasn't found anyone else doing something like this. Is there a reason for that?

 

[SunRise]

Not everyone enjoys the low dose headspace. I for one love it:d waves of euphoria and bliss tingling their way from head to toe:lol:

 

[Samadhi-Sukha-Upekkha]

Sometimes this experience, especially when done in a nice set and setting with the proper music, can be a great way to "reset" yourself mentally. Just like hyperspace can give you a crazy new perspective on things in your life, you can get more moderate (and sometimes down-to-earth) shifts of perspective from sub-blastoff doses.

 

[DMTripper]

I like psychedelic effects without any body load. I find the body load to be uncomfortable.

 

[biohazard72]

You may enjoy pharmahuasca a great deal. You can quite easily attain the low-dose headspace/body load with a moderate dose of DMT + MAOI.

 

[obliguhl]

One of the reasons oral DMT is SWIM's preferred psychedelic is its wonderful body load and euphoria on come up and come down, when the psychedelic effects are not prominent.

There is nocausal relation to this. The euphoria is due to a good experience with the spice. If you have a really bad experience, you will feel NBO euphoria at all on the comedown, just disorientation and maybe a feel of betrayel.

I find it somehow disrespectful to _use_ spice this way but smoking caapi makes a low dose spice more euphoric.

 

[embracethevoid]

Is there anything intrinsically wrong with such use? If in your intuition and experience it feels disrespectful to use spice in such a way then fair dos but please do justify why if you are going to say that.

In my dream world, a "cigarette" would basically be some kind of DMT stick (perhaps caapi changa) which would produce this exact low dose state of euphoria. If you think about the manner in which DMT amplifies all emotions equally, one would smoke such a cigarette only in a good mood/setting as they developed experiences that guided them towards this rather than use them like an addictive crutch as cigarettes are now, ready to be fired up at the slightest hint of tension.

I think the "addictiveness" comes from the anxiolytic action of DMT at low doses rather than any effect on the pleasure center. I find it comparable to a very good strong green tea buzz if anything. Hyper calmness and a sense of things clicking together.

 

[kaleidoscope eyes]

I so far haven't had a large dose of DMT, whilst I have had some incredible experiences so far I wouldn't classify myself as having had a "complete" breakthrough (or a complete break through in the sense that it means for me anyway.) But the low to medium doses I have had have still been incredibly valuable and special to me.

The first time I tried DMT it was a low dose, and I really didn't enjoy the body feeling whatsoever. I felt uncomfortable in my body and "trapped" in there. But my last couple of doses I have come to not mind the sensation, last time it just felt like being submerged under warm water & felt energy coursing through my chest.

I'm pretty apprehensive about a "large" dose as I get so much out of the lower/medium ones, to be honest I'm a little scared if I do break through completely it won't be pleasant whatsoever and I'll be scared off it or something. The last doses I had I resisted against what was being shown to me which I regret immensely.

 

[Samadhi-Sukha-Upekkha]

Advice from a friend who had rather similar experiences to you kaleidoscope eyes: Learn to accept and impartially observe what is occurring on the low and medium doses, and once that can be done reliably, blastoff and just remain as equanimous and accepting of whatever stimuli appear to your experience for the duration of hyperspace. That method has consistently provided him with the best results at breakthrough doses, both in terms of making the experiences themselves more pleasant, and in terms of helping him derive value from the psychedelic experience outside of temporary enjoyment.

If you're interested, try his advice out. It may work for you. Of course, you should do what works best for you, whether or not it works well for some other person, but this technique is one to try out.

 

[Sublime]

In regards to the euphoria and body high I would compare it to morphine or some kind of opiates. The feeling is very relaxing and soothing, I think that's why I start laughing is because I feel so high, especially when my entire body goes numb and I feel weightless. I don't know too much about the pharmacology of DMT, as it is a neurotransmitter, but beyond that it is a mystery, maybe it makes your brain release more dopamine or serotonin. We should be doing studies on that, not just the trip itself. And yes I would not like to use spice for just this purpose, I want what it really has to offer.

 

[obliguhl]

Is there anything intrinsically wrong with such use? If in your intuition and experience it feels disrespectful to use spice in such a way then fair dos but please do justify why if you are going to say that.

I do not USE, because at a certain dose, there is no I ...I gets used to dissolve, to let the WE take over. Well, a low dose...its a bit like talking to the pope about football...it disrespects his ability (not that i think highly of the pope...lol but you get my drift)...that doesnt meann it cant be beneficial. It's not such an easy topic.

 

[RigaCrypto]

One of the reasons oral DMT is SWIM's preferred psychedelic is its wonderful body load and euphoria on come up and come down, when the psychedelic effects are not prominent. His whole body feels suffused with absolute warmth and joy, in contrast to LSD, which feels very "wired", and the 2C's, which make him feel like he has a bad cold.

The closest I can get to this euphoria and centering body load is with 4-substituted tryptamines. Totally clear-minded, like DMT, with a warm and light body feel, with none of the tension of LSD or come-down of lysergamides or PEA's and with no body load whatsoever. I do sometimes have mind loops on them, but that is totally avoidable. And they also make the world more beautiful, unlike DMT, which is the only psychedelic I've tried so far that makes the world actually less beautiful.

Mushrooms cause a bit of nausea, confusion and anxiety for me, but miprocin is almost everything I like about shrooms without the downsides.

 

[freethinker]

SpasticSpaz -- You're definitely not alone. All psychedelics have enormous ranges of effects, both subtle and obvious, at all levels of dosage. I'm more impressed with people who explore and appreciate the spectrum of possibilities vs. those so quick to jump on the closed minded bandwagon of 'appropriate' usage as if there are any objective guidelines for any of this (LOL).

Personal favorite: low dose pharma (45 min mild trip beginning to end, mild afterglow follows)

 

[DreaMTripper]

One of the reasons oral DMT is SWIM's preferred psychedelic is its wonderful body load and euphoria on come up and come down, when the psychedelic effects are not prominent. His whole body feels suffused with absolute warmth and joy, in contrast to LSD, which feels very "wired", and the 2C's, which make him feel like he has a bad cold.

The closest I can get to this euphoria and centering body load is with 4-substituted tryptamines. Totally clear-minded, like DMT, with a warm and light body feel. And they also make the world more beautiful, unlike DMT, which is the only psychedelic I've tried so far that makes the world actually less beautiful.

Mushrooms cause a bit of nausea, confusion and anxiety for me, but miprocin is almost everything I like about shrooms without the downsides.

Wow do you still think dmt makes the world less beautiful?
One of the things it woke up in me was my heightened awareness for the beauty of the complexity in our natural world and an apreciation for potential of the human race.
As for low doses yeah I enjoy them especially just chilling with a friend and a spliffs listening to shpongle or floyd. You can here so much more of the music.
For all over body buzz you cant beat a breakthrough dose. Once the initial rush has gone leaving you encased in a warm melty euphoria.