LSA -- basic questions

[Tyler_Trismegistus]

I've never taken LSA . .. how would you compare its effects to its cousin LSD?

 

[PatrickKn]

I've never taken LSA . .. how would you compare its effects to its cousin LSD?

In my experience they are as different from each other as any other psychedelic. LSA is a really heavy mind trip in mid-high doses, the visuals aren't nearly as strong as with LSD.

There is a definite body load with LSA that isn't at all comparably present with LSD. In small doses, this body load is quite nice. In larger doses, this body load can be quite overwhelming.

The mind trip on LSA can be very interesting, but less clear headed. However it should be noted that I've only taken LSA 5 times, and many years ago, before I was introduced to LSD. Since I've yet to take LSA since taking LSD (it's been about 7 years since I've taken LSA), I can't say for sure if the mind trip was more attributed to a lack of psychedelic experience, or if it was for sure a fuzzier mind trip than LSD gives.

 

[tgun]

This is a newer interest to me so I havnt studied much yet. What do you think of adding peppermint oil to LSA to make a LSH? It is said that it makes it more comparable to LSD? I forget what the compound is in the oil atm.

 

[benzyme]

:lol:

 

[Cognitive Heart]

This is a newer interest to me so I havnt studied much yet. What do you think of adding peppermint oil to LSA to make a LSH? It is said that it makes it more comparable to LSD? I forget what the compound is in the oil atm.

Please understand that adding PMO to LSA does not make LSH. Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide is already present within fresh HBWR seeds, not MG(from what is currently known). Therefore, the unknown activity you speak of is possibly something other than LSA-LSH, as many Nexians state that added PMO enhances/changes the overall experience. It could just be an increased effect of both LSA-LSH. You can read up on all the related topics within a few other subforms to investigate the breakdown of discussion and to eliminate confusion. With very little data(besides experience reports) more analysis is needed to prove the validity of this mixture.

IME, something is definitely apparent. However, without knowing what that apparent mechanism is, further investigation is mandatory.

:thumb_up:

 

[benzyme]

thanks for posting what I was thinking, but too lazy to type :thumb_up:

 

[Cognitive Heart]

All in a days work.

 

[Morbidbystandard]

I harvested 5 lbs of heavenly blues about 5 years ago and have yet to do anything with them. I have them sealed in mason jars. Anyone know how long morning glory seeds retain potency?

 

[Cognitive Heart]

I harvested 5 lbs of heavenly blues about 5 years ago and have yet to do anything with them. I have them sealed in mason jars. Anyone know how long morning glory seeds retain potency?

They are still usable. Its clear that fresh seeds are better to work with..however they will last for a very long time, whether someone plans to use them them or not. The hard coating protects the inner constitutes.

Enjoy.

 

[ColorfulColorado]

In my (limited) experiences with LSD & LSA, LSA is more of a mental psychedelic fogging, whereas LSD provides a full experience. Cannabis does seem to noticeably enhance the effects of LSA, at least Morning Glory seeds. I would say duration wise, if you do a higher dosage of LSA, the experience lasts the same time, with the same timeline as well. However the peak is only minor OEV's, shimmering of patterns, earthly shapes & patterns visible, and on the come down, LSA will make you feel , that is also due in part to the strychnine contained in MG seeds. I view that as part of the experience though.

The best way I can put it, LSA is the natural version of LSD. Where LSD feels very chemical & synthetic, LSA feels more grounded & earthly. More akin to a psilocybin experience than LSD. Just my two cents.

Either way, I say go for it. You won't know until you've tried.

 

[tonyx3]

I extracted LSA from morning glory seeds a long time ago. No visual effects, just a HUGE smile on my face for a while.

 

[Nathanial.Dread]

Depends on how you're taking it. Eating a few HBWR seeds isn't anything like LSD -- visuals are not as profound, body load is much more intense and the entire experience is rather sedating.

Extracted LSA is supposed to be a much more enjoyable ride.

 

[Cognitive Heart]

LSA will make you feel , that is also due in part to the strychnine contained in MG seeds. I view that as part of the experience though.

Can you clarify and/or back that up with evidence? I would think a lot of people would be dead by now if that were the case..the outer, hard coating contains glycosides, which produces nausea if taken orally..and not to mention LSA in itself can produce nausea, purging and other physical effects.

 

[ColorfulColorado]

LSA will make you feel , that is also due in part to the strychnine contained in MG seeds. I view that as part of the experience though.

Can you clarify and/or back that up with evidence? I would think a lot of people would be dead by now if that were the case..the outer, hard coating contains glycosides, which produces nausea if taken orally..and not to mention LSA in itself can produce nausea, purging and other physical effects.

From Erowid: Erowid Morning Glory Vault : FAQ

A second chemical or complex is much more malicious. Ingesting it results in headache, blurred and 'fish-eye' vision, and it also seems to counteract the psychedelic effect. For lack of a better term with the expectation that it is chemically non-descriptive, we will call this the 'strychnine effect' and the associated compound(s) the 'strychnine factor'. This factor is contained in the seed husk and is miscible with petroleum ether but only slightly soluble in water. If you chew the seeds you break the husk but do not usually chew it well enough to digest. Same thing if you pulverize the seeds with a hammer or similiar instrument before eating or swallowing. In both cases, the 'strychnine effect' is not observed except as background. However the high is not as lucid and bright as when the factor is removed. On the other hand, if you grind the seeds into powder and do not remove the 'styrchnine factor' with petroleum ether (or other solvent(?)) but ingest the powder itself, you will experience the 'strychnine effect' in great and unpleasant intensity. If you put the powder in water, filter the water, and drink it (effectively the traditional method for indigenous peoples), the nausea factor will be pronounced, but the 'strychnine effect' will be weak.

They refer to it as the strychnine factor, it could very well be the vaso-constriction of the LSA itself, and also the glycosides contained in the seed husks. It was my error in referring to it as the chemical 'strychnine'. However, I will add, strychnine was prescribed (by doctors) at the dawn of modern medicine, as a stimulant. If I'm not mistaken, it is still used in some parts of the world for this effect. The LD50, while quite low in terms of dosage, isn't approached when using it in a 'recreational' fashion.

Apologies once again, it has been quite a while since my research into LSA & MG seeds in particular, sorry to confuse anyone!

 

[Cognitive Heart]

Thanks for the link.

I think its well understood that extracting the seeds delivers a clearer and far less somatic experience. Strychnine is a very neurotoxic glycine antagonist agent that binds to acetylcholine with an LD50 of 30 to 120 mg in humans. This often results in excitatory responses before the actual poisoning..so I see where the 'stimulant' idea came into play..but its just ridiculous to even consider it anything useful for humans. In regards to MG seeds; to obtain the true psychedelic effects..you'd be dead. But this is just not true. In conclusion..the page creator probably should have used another term.