LSD for the masses-2

[polytrip]

wouldn't it be more usefull, also from a legal point of view considering avoidance of this character 'johnie law' entropymancer was speaking about, to look for good alternatives.

Thanks to 69ron, the nexus is already made aware of LSH, wich is almost as good as LSD except for the bronchoconstriction, but there may very well be more and better alternatives.

There are many LSD derivates that are actually known to be better than LSD:eth-LAD, ALD-52 and some others, but they all require LSD as a precursor, so the chemist who wants to keep this dude entropymancer reminded us of at bay, has reasons not to walk that route.

But there are many, many sources of all kinds of lysergic's. Not all of wich are well known. There may be something that's just as good as LSD or better, just sitting there waiting for us to discover it.

It's no science fiction...The list of truly psychedelic lysergic's is actually quite long.
There are lysergic's for instance, without LSD as precursor, that are currently sold as anti-migraine treatment, that have the same psychedelic effects as LSD when taken in larger amounts.

 

[VisualDistortion]

Are you suggesting that people should eat handfulls of cafergot and migril? I wish we could discuss LSD synth on the nexus. So many smart and level headed people here. Wet dreams is full of tweaks, zoklet is full of assholes, and everywhere else everyone is under the impression that you can't do a synth without a college education and a full lab.

 

[jamie]

I dont understand whats sooo great about LSD in comparison to psilocin. I really liked LSD, only took it 3 times and had 1 incredible day with it..but still psilocin opened me up in ways I never thought possible, changed the way I saw society and culture and taught me how to love people. I used to take it alot and was surrounded by a community of others that were taking the mushrooms and they all seemed to be completey tuned in with the stuff.

The only reason I can see LSD being more "for the masses" than psilocin, is that it is active at such a low dose. But I would rather have psilocin. LSD is special..but still I love psilocin more. Mushrooms are completely sustainable..they grow practically everywhere, and anyone can grow them at home as well..and they dont take years like other entheogens..you can grow many many doses in a short ammount of time.

I think DMT and psilocin are the best psychedelics I could possibly hope for.

Lets avoid synth talk here as well so the thread can remain open..

 

[q21q21]

I dont understand whats sooo great about LSD in comparison to psilocin. I really liked LSD, only took it 3 times and had 1 incredible day with it..but still psilocin opened me up in ways I never thought possible, changed the way I saw society and culture and taught me how to love people. I used to take it alot and was surrounded by a community of others that were taking the mushrooms and they all seemed to be completey tuned in with the stuff.

The only reason I can see LSD being more "for the masses" than psilocin, is that it is active at such a low dose. But I would rather have psilocin. LSD is special..but still I love psilocin more. Mushrooms are completely sustainable..they grow practically everywhere, and anyone can grow them at home as well..and they dont take years like other entheogens..you can grow many many doses in a short ammount of time.

I think DMT and psilocin are the best psychedelics I could possibly hope for.

Lets avoid synth talk here as well so the thread can remain open..

for different people it does different things. SWIM prefers LSD over psilocybin without a doubt.

Even though I took shrooms as my first entheogenic experience, I consider my frist LSD trip (2 1/2 weeks after the shrooms) as the turning point and the beginning of my entheogenic journey. Shrooms are nice, but LSD is special IMO.

My roomate on the other hand has the same point of view as you it seems. He loves LSD and has taken it twice, but he LOVE LOVE LOVES shrooms and has taken up to 5-6g of cubensis on 3 different occasions and was in absolute bliss each time.

SWIM has read the synths and they don't seem THAT much harder than a typical A/B but there are like 3-4 chemicals SWIM doesn't have any idea where to get and that is the only thing that really is really the problem.

 

[narmz]

LSD is far more friendlier in my opinion than mushrooms, that's why I think people consider it for the masses - not only because it is active at such a low dose. Mushrooms, in my experience, tend to be more loopy/rollercoaster ride that you can't get off of, it literally shows you what it wants to show you, whereas acid feels far more symbiotic and gentle. We can argue this all day long, and I'm sure many won't agree with this, but I've done my fair share of both of these compounds, and LSD comes on much more gently (sorta floods in from the background at a steady pace), whereas mushrooms come on in waves that can be quite discomforting to some. Mushrooms to me, have a much longer and more defined transition period than LSD.

 

[Infundibulum]

Are you suggesting that people should eat handfulls of cafergot and migril? I wish we could discuss LSD synth on the nexus. So many smart and level headed people here. Wet dreams is full of tweaks, zoklet is full of assholes, and everywhere else everyone is under the impression that you can't do a synth without a college education and a full lab.

well, a college education and a full lab may not be necessary, but you cannot have lsd synthesis without having to procure watched, dangerous or even "exotic" chemicals. Good luck finding phosphorus oxycloride or even diethylamine. Good luck trying to synthesize the latter ones in the kitchen as well. This are the main reasons why lsd synthesis or other syntheses are not allowed whereas lsa->lsh are tolerated. The latter involves easy to find starting materials and safe procedures.

If you're aware of a way to make lsd in the kitchen, even theoretical (but still "sound and safe") please tell us.

SWIM has read the synths and they don't seem THAT much harder than a typical A/B but there are like 3-4 chemicals SWIM doesn't have any idea where to get and that is the only thing that really is really the problem.

Sorry dude, the synths actually ARE much harder that a typical A/B, irrespective of whether you have the chemicals or not. That is, as long as you aim to make even a half-decent end product. A well-equipped lab is also very helpful as well as a VERY GOOD understanding of chemistry.

 

[q21q21]

For the record SWIM has never performed a LSD synth, nor does he plan to. He only said upon reading the process it SEEMED to be possible to somebody with A/B experience to research and eventually perform.

If the chemicals needed were given to him free he would look into it, read up a whole bunch and carefully proceed but with confidence.

At present that is unlikely though.

 

[ragabr]

I have this feeling that humanity specially contributed LSD to the multiverse. Its spirit seems so much younger than the other entheogens, and it seems like it has a special affinity for humankind. Also, dealing with freakouts, in my experience, goes much more easily with acid than with other longer acting entheogens. A lot of it probably has to do with specific neural chemistry, but I would give up a lot to have access to an unadulterated supply of LSD for the world, knowing how available all of the other plant healers are.

 

[Ginkgo]

What we need is to convince Alexander Shulgin (I can't think of anyone better qualified) to work out a synthesis route that can be performed without all these obscure chemicals and lab equipment...

 

[۩]

I dont understand whats sooo great about LSD in comparison to psilocin. I really liked LSD, only took it 3 times and had 1 incredible day with it..but still psilocin opened me up in ways I never thought possible, changed the way I saw society and culture and taught me how to love people. I used to take it alot and was surrounded by a community of others that were taking the mushrooms and they all seemed to be completey tuned in with the stuff.

The only reason I can see LSD being more "for the masses" than psilocin, is that it is active at such a low dose. But I would rather have psilocin. LSD is special..but still I love psilocin more. Mushrooms are completely sustainable..they grow practically everywhere, and anyone can grow them at home as well..and they dont take years like other entheogens..you can grow many many doses in a short ammount of time.

I think DMT and psilocin are the best psychedelics I could possibly hope for.

Lets avoid synth talk here as well so the thread can remain open..

Eat more LSD :twisted:

 

[MagikVenom]

I dont understand whats sooo great about LSD in comparison to psilocin. I really liked LSD, only took it 3 times and had 1 incredible day with it..but still psilocin opened me up in ways I never thought possible, changed the way I saw society and culture and taught me how to love people. I used to take it alot and was surrounded by a community of others that were taking the mushrooms and they all seemed to be completey tuned in with the stuff.

The only reason I can see LSD being more "for the masses" than psilocin, is that it is active at such a low dose. But I would rather have psilocin. LSD is special..but still I love psilocin more. Mushrooms are completely sustainable..they grow practically everywhere, and anyone can grow them at home as well..and they dont take years like other entheogens..you can grow many many doses in a short ammount of time.

I think DMT and psilocin are the best psychedelics I could possibly hope for.

Lets avoid synth talk here as well so the thread can remain open..

Eat more LSD :twisted:

Why because you are afraid of a heavy shroom trip? that will BLOW your mind for 4 to 6 hours MAX.

Now a dose of LSD that would take me to the same place will effect me me for at least 24hours maybe more. I have taken plenty of cid and in a quality stand point it can not even come close to the natural organic psychedelics.

LSD will fuck you up longer and can leave nasty residuals for quite some time.

The masses are not ready for LSD and to imply everyone should dose on it is a immature ignorant statement, its just a parrot repeating Learys agenda.:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Back at ya....LOL

Peace Friends

 

[PsilocybeChild]

I have this feeling that humanity specially contributed LSD to the multiverse. Its spirit seems so much younger than the other entheogens, and it seems like it has a special affinity for humankind. Also, dealing with freakouts, in my experience, goes much more easily with acid than with other longer acting entheogens. A lot of it probably has to do with specific neural chemistry, but I would give up a lot to have access to an unadulterated supply of LSD for the world, knowing how available all of the other plant healers are.

Nice post.

 

[VisualDistortion]

Are you suggesting that people should eat handfulls of cafergot and migril? I wish we could discuss LSD synth on the nexus. So many smart and level headed people here. Wet dreams is full of tweaks, zoklet is full of assholes, and everywhere else everyone is under the impression that you can't do a synth without a college education and a full lab.

well, a college education and a full lab may not be necessary, but you cannot have lsd synthesis without having to procure watched, dangerous or even "exotic" chemicals. Good luck finding phosphorus oxycloride or even diethylamine. Good luck trying to synthesize the latter ones in the kitchen as well. This are the main reasons why lsd synthesis or other syntheses are not allowed whereas lsa->lsh are tolerated. The latter involves easy to find starting materials and safe procedures.

If you're aware of a way to make lsd in the kitchen, even theoretical (but still "sound and safe") please tell us.

SWIM has read the synths and they don't seem THAT much harder than a typical A/B but there are like 3-4 chemicals SWIM doesn't have any idea where to get and that is the only thing that really is really the problem.

Sorry dude, the synths actually ARE much harder that a typical A/B, irrespective of whether you have the chemicals or not. That is, as long as you aim to make even a half-decent end product. A well-equipped lab is also very helpful as well as a VERY GOOD understanding of chemistry.

Diethylamine is really quite simple but since we are not at liberty to talk about synthesis here I'll keep my mouth shut.

 

[Infundibulum]

Diethylamine is really quite simple but since we are not at liberty to talk about synthesis here I'll keep my mouth shut.

Really?

then send me a PM and surprise me. If the procedure is simple, foolproof and without byproducts (e.g. ethylamine, triethylamine, catalysts) and can be done with easy to procure first materials then it will be given merit and will be considered for the public.

 

[VisualDistortion]

PM, sent.

Now I'm going to bed. See you all tomorrow good chaps.

 

[polytrip]

Are you suggesting that people should eat handfulls of cafergot and migril? I wish we could discuss LSD synth on the nexus. So many smart and level headed people here. Wet dreams is full of tweaks, zoklet is full of assholes, and everywhere else everyone is under the impression that you can't do a synth without a college education and a full lab.

For people who know what they're doing, experimenting with all possible sources of lysergic's after doing extractions and isolating the different compounds, might be interesting.

If people claim that some type of seeds give good visionary experiences without any treatment, it's interesting to see whether there could be a different compound than LSH that's responsible for it.

There is also a plant called piri-piri, that's said to be able to give visionary experiences wich may be attributed to some lysergic's in them as well. (i happen to have some piri-piri that was sent to me by maya as a free sample, but i wouldn't know how to prepare it)
This plant could be used for extractions as well.

 

[jbark]

piri-piri - surely not the african hot pepper. If I found out that hot peppers are entheogenically psychoactive I'm gonna do a backflip!

JBArk

 

[narmz]

Eat more LSD :twisted:

Why because you are afraid of a heavy shroom trip? that will BLOW your mind for 4 to 6 hours MAX.

Now a dose of LSD that would take me to the same place will effect me me for at least 24hours maybe more. I have taken plenty of cid and in a quality stand point it can not even come close to the natural organic psychedelics.

LSD will fuck you up longer and can leave nasty residuals for quite some time.

The masses are not ready for LSD and to imply everyone should dose on it is a immature ignorant statement, its just a parrot repeating Learys agenda.:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Back at ya....LOL

Peace Friends

I'm gonna have to disagree with this entire post here. Also, no need to get upset, house wasn't implying everyone should dose, he was only suggesting that 1 person try a bit more than they already have.

 

[۩]

Exactly ;]

 

[Ginkgo]

I have visual disturbances several days after taking LSD, even low and medium doses. Often for two weeks, or even a month if the dose is high enough. I have to take really, really high doses in order to get as far as I'd like, and that gives me a 24+ hour trip. I really love LSD, but to me, it is best in low to medium dosages. It really can't get me as far as mushrooms, without having to trip a day or longer.