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LSD for the masses-2

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well LSD is not a form of DMT. It does things mushrooms do not. It's a comfortable energetic healer that accelerates the CNS. Mushrooms always seem to have their own opinions to ad into the mix...

If you want to go far, LSDMT.
 
Absolutely, LSD is something totally different than the regular tryptamines. They are both exceptionally good for what they do. LSD is extremely energetical and does for some reason resonate with the intelligent randomness, creating synchronicity like no other substances. But for visual journeys LSD is, in my experience, far from as good as regular tryptamines. I really have to try LSD + DMT, I think that would prove to be a fantastic combination! I did not really like LSD + mushrooms, they seemed to fight against each other.
 
There are many LSD derivates that are actually known to be better than LSD:eth-LAD, ALD-52 and some others
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ALD-52 hydrolyses readily to LSD. This is the ergot equivalent of psilocybin to psilocin, except this is an acetamide rather than a phosphate ester.
 
PsilocybeChild said:
There are many LSD derivates that are actually known to be better than LSD:eth-LAD, ALD-52 and some others
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ALD-52 hydrolyses readily to LSD. This is the ergot equivalent of psilocybin to psilocin, except this is an acetamide rather than a phosphate ester.
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For some reasons, people often find the acetylated versions of a drug to work better than the original substance. Heroin, aspirin, and acetylpsilocin are examples of this. Even though technically this cannot always be properly explained.
 
tbh, i think that LSD shouldn't be for the masses. I don't think that psychadelics should be easy to get and should only be approached in a spiritual manner. I have taken acid for fun before but one particular experience gave me a connection with the universe that would be impossible to recreate. I think psychadelics and IN PARTICULAR LSD AND DMT should be kept for those who approach them in a sensible manner. Might sound arrogant but keep marijuana for the masses, not LSD.
 
epiphany_awakening said:
tbh, i think that LSD shouldn't be for the masses. I don't think that psychadelics should be easy to get and should only be approached in a spiritual manner. I have taken acid for fun before but one particular experience gave me a connection with the universe that would be impossible to recreate. I think psychadelics and IN PARTICULAR LSD AND DMT should be kept for those who approach them in a sensible manner. Might sound arrogant but keep marijuana for the masses, not LSD.
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so who determines this? who is the gatekeeper? You? It's certainly not me. No, all of these substances are for whoever seek them out and approach them with respect and responsibility. Perhaps if the masses were better educated/weren't bombarded with false propaganda they would approach these substances with more respect. Your line doesn't sound arrogant, it sounds poorly thought out. If the masses were properly educated, and approached these substances with respect, you would have no qualms, according to your own post. So clearly the problem is not with the masses themselves, but with the misinformation the masses have been fed.
 
I am one of the people that think the masses DO need waking up.

We have enjoyed freedom fought for and won by a generation before us who were turned on in the 1960s and changed society for the better in many ways. However, as that generation grows older and dies, liberties are being eroded again by Western governments. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, but the youth of today are generally apathetic selfish consumers. Society needs psychedelics again to reawaken vigilance to protect freedom and promote empathy.

I don't know what psychedelic would be best. Maybe ayawaska/DMT or mescaline would be better, or maybe they could make people too passive to struggle for change. Weed is not enough. LSD is the one with a proven track record.
 
ohayoco said:
I am one of the people that think the masses DO need waking up.

We have enjoyed freedom fought for and won by a generation before us who were turned on in the 1960s and changed society for the better in many ways. However, as that generation grows older and dies, liberties are being eroded again by Western governments. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, but the youth of today are generally apathetic selfish consumers. Society needs psychedelics again to reawaken vigilance to protect freedom and promote empathy.

I don't know what psychedelic would be best. Maybe ayawaska/DMT or mescaline would be better, or maybe they could make people too passive. LSD is the one with a proven track record.
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Yeah, another cultural revolution would be fun.
But i don't see it happening very soon.

We in the west are just kinda stuck. No psychedelic in the world is gonna change that.
 
I don't see why it couldn't happen if an empathy-giving psychedelic become popular on the party circuit. I presume that's what happened with LSD in the 60s. People took it to have fun, and enough people ended up having their eyes opened in the process.

Ketamine is awful, yet people take it at parties. I'm sure these types would lap mescaline up. Perhaps in an anti-nausea combo. If mescaline use exploded, would it bring change? Does it promote empathy and awareness as much as LSD? Perhaps mescaline would then open people's minds to ayawaska/DMT, and if that happened then I'm sure we'd see positive effects.

People are wary of LSD because of bad trips, but seem to warm to mescaline because it has similarities with MDMA. I'm not sure if LSD would ever become popular again given its reputation outside of hippydom. Is there another psychedelic, maybe an RC, capable of capturing the imagination of the masses and catalysing change at the same time?

I think the problems with ecstacy were the comedown and it didn't really make people think like a psychedelic does. So the 'second summer of love' changed little compared to the first. A third summer of love, with mescaline... would that be more positive?

The biggest problem with LSD is that RCs get sold as it. Would this happen if mescaline took off too? Would dealers just sell RCs as mescaline? Is a mescaline boom economically unfeasible? Perhaps it would be a good thing in some way if a law blanket-banned all RCs, because maybe inferior RCs would no longer be passed off as entheogens.

Or perhaps real LSD and mescaline could be distributed by a new Brotherhood of Eternal Love to usher in this new wave? These people would have to get their stuff onto all party scenes, not just the hippy scene where everyone already knows about entheogens anyway. Incidentally, the retro/creative scene seems to be turning to the 60s at the moment... moccasins etc are appearing.

I'm just interested in this hypothetically, I'm not on a mission, though I do wish for something like this to happen and break through the cynical apathy. The world lacks optimism at the moment. Climate change has much to do with it I think... perhaps there is an underlying crippling concern that civilisation as we know it is going to crumble within our lifetimes?
 
The dosage needed for mescaline is incredibly high compared to next to anything. This makes it way harder to produce the quantity needed compared to LSD, seeing how incredibly many cacti one would have to grow to get a few million doses (a few thousand doses would not change anything). I really believe that mescaline is just perfect for a "third summer of love", but I can't see that happen anytime soon. Unless someone map the genetics of mescaline containing cacti and tamper with the genetics... Or perhaps use modified bacteria to grow mescaline? I am sure it is possible if enough resources is used to attain that goal.
 
Is synthetic mescaline not possible? Or is there an alternative suitable RC? I'm just not hopeful of LSD capturing the imagination again... although I don't think I've ever had real LSD so I wouldn't know.
 
ohayoco said:
Is synthetic mescaline not possible? Or is there an alternative suitable RC?
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TMA-2 (and the rest of the TMA series) have similar effects to mescaline and have actually been sold as "synthetic mescaline". Compared to mescaline they have incredible low dosage ranges, for TMA-2 less than 50 mg is sufficient. I feel stupid for not thinking about this when I wrote my last post...
 
jbark said:
piri-piri - surely not the african hot pepper. If I found out that hot peppers are entheogenically psychoactive I'm gonna do a backflip!

JBArk
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True, the piri-piri in question here is likely to be Cyperus articulatus. It contains components that act as NMDA antagonist and GABA agonist. I don't believe one bit in the unconfirmed rumors that have been circulating of lysergics in the plant, I think that is the creation of someone who wants to explain something he does not understand.

I find it utterly interesting that a natural NMDA antagonist is used in order to contact the spirit worlds. Cyperus articulatus is also used in lower dosages together with other entheogens. I remember a ceremony with a shaman from the Shuar tribe in Ecuador, where I was served a piri-piri infusion right before I was served liquid Mapacho snuff. This was done in order to (in the shaman's words) "synchronise the body with the spirits", and was followed about 30 minutes after by Ayahuasca. I remember the piri-piri giving me a great warm feeling that came from very deep inside of me, accompanied with a hint of dissociation. Nothing strong though, but definitely pleasant.

Another plant by the name of piri-piri is Justicia pectoralis, also known as mashi-hiri in Brazil, believed to be a sedating entheogen with visual activity. I don't know anything about what substances are responsible for this, but my gut feeling tells me that in order to hallucinate, one must take very large amounts and get effects most of us would consider a poisoning. Shamans consider this plant to be strictly off limit for anyone not initiated.

Oh man, this was off topic... Well, just had to write it. ;)
 
So my hopes of a hallucinogenic hot pepper are dashed against the rock of reality. Damn... As a pepper aficianado and an amateur indian chef, I really had my hopes up, if only to regale my guests with yet another tidbit of (to them) useless and trivial fact...

oh well, the searh continues

JBArk
 
Samadhi-Sukha-Upekkha said:
Err, do you mean for free from someone you know? Who could tell what's on a random blotter given to you by some guy off the street?
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True but how many random guys on the street pass out free blotter? The only time I've ever been gifted with La Diethylamide was by far the most potent (per dose) and pure I've been around - 'fluff' in gel tab form. Isn't this the common theme, the 'free' acid is usually the best?
 
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