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LSD, not what it said on the tin

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3rdI

3rdI

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i have taken LSD, on and off, for about 10 years. These tabs have always come from unknown sources and the only info given is that when i asked "how strong are they?" i always get the answer "oh there well strong, you wont need more than 1". This is always incorrect.

My take on LSD is that with a decent strength tab i should not have to eat 4/5 of them to get a reliable experience. The doeses i have taken have always provided breathing surfaces, shade and colour changes and lots of little deviations of reality that pop up around me but nothing has ever blown me away. I was always under the impression, pre-LSD, that i would be wisked of to magical land of pixies and crazy colours and i have been told by a few old hippies, who certainly seemed genuine, that with 1 micro dot he was beautifully affected for 20hrs and that what we get round my way is very different from what they called LSD.

All my LSD experiences have been much more mental than visual, however, i find that my friends are amazed by the visuals. I feel that my 3 favourite substances have been very mixed up in common folklore. I find that the impression that many (non drug) people have of weed is closer to what happens to me on LSD and peoples impression of LSD is really what happens on DMT. They have no idea what DMT is though:wink: .

LSD has always felt to me like i am able to use my brain in a very different way and that the visuals are almost a distraction, if i pay to much attention to the pretty things then i will miss the opertunity to do the real thinking work that is possible on LSD. I sit and think while my friends roll around giggling.
I am not trying to portray myself as "cool" because i am able to handle more acid than my friends(i wish it was the otherway around), i just think its very strange that it has such a very different effect on me compared to my friends.

Now to my question, how strong is strong? I currently have some tabs that are direct from source at an apparent 120mcg. I took 3.5 of these on friday and had a lovely time. If these were 120mcg that would mean 420mcg of LSD were taken, this seems like alot and i get the feeling it should have had more of an effect. (The exact strength is less important than the consistently different effect it has on me compared to others)

What do people normally expect from different doses of LSD, lets say....

100mcgs
200mcgs
500mcgs
1000mcgs

i know that you can never be sure of the dose, but if i could know what others find the effects to be it would be very interesting.
 
In my experience, whatever dosage people say it is, its usually HALF that dosage.

It might be that its pure dealer talk.. It might also be that the estimate was based on crystal weight before layign the blotters, so for example, if 1g was layed on 10,000 doses, they might say its 100 mics, but of course, that is a supposition that the acid was 100% pure, which it most likely isnt, maybe its 60 or 70 or 80 or 90%.. Plus depending on how blotter was layed and dried (at what angle, etc) there might be parts where its weaker (due to capilary action of the paper which sucks up the solvent and dries unevenly). Lastly, there will most likely be degradation till it reaches the end user if it hasnt been stored really properly. It could be a mixture of any or all of these

I have been taking LSD with known dosages after quantifying with UV-Vis spectrophotometry, and here´s a quick run up of a few doses and how they affect me:

50ug - No visuals at all. I mostly notice the come up and ´electric´ feeling, but it doesnt develop into anything more than this certain extra energy. Things might have an extra ´shine´ to them but not much. Helps me think clearer, but I find its more of the ´tension´ and not enough of the ´goods´ to be worth it.
100ug - Beggining of visuals, patterns. Cognition enhanced, body control enhanced, more music appreciation but nothing out of this world
200ug - Here the fun starts for me. Same as above, but I dont have to ´force myself or pay a lot of atention to have visuals, its more fluid and obvious.
300ug - Decently strong visual distortions, OEV and CEV. Feel like an advanced cyborg, many great insights and ideas, amazing body control most times, music is superb, etc. Some moments i might be sitting in a position and lose the border between my arms and my legs or between my body and an object, but with a small movement, looking or payign attention, I can feel ¨normality¨ back again.
500ug+ - Here the world is melting.. While I have moments of amazing body control, in some moments I might also be quite melted myself and just be laying down and amazed at reality, and can lose the sense of separation between different body parts, or between me and environment, etc. At 500mics its still manageable, once it nears 1000 im way less in control and just being bombarded by the experience. Music is sooooooo incredible. I may have incredible insights, but starting at this dosage the ´joker/jester` aspect of acid may also play part and it has happened that I had some delusional/wrong idea, was going into loops, or similar (usually set and setting issue, but even with negative set and setting I dont go into loops with dosages lower than this).

Do note that I have quite a lot (def over 100 times, no idea how many) of experience with acid and generally need higher doses of psychedelics than many other people, so for example what I may feel with 500ug, my gf may feel with half that dosage. Also specially people with psychological issues or with very little experience, they might be affected strongly by even low acid dosages. And there are also individual differences regardless of experience or psychological ´strenght´.

Im starting to add some info on analyzed acid dosages here: RESULTS: Plant and Substance analysis - Plant Analysis and Substance Testing - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Though do note that a specific blotter drawing might or might not be a good generalizable indication. For example, the same blotter bought in different years might have completely different content. Also specially for the more famous drawings (like hofmanns), there is a great variation, seems quite a few different people with different crystals lay this same blotter. And then of course one never knows how well the crystals and blotters were stored unless they are closer in the ladder to the chemist, so even same batch might have different content. But as a general idea, if its a certain blotter (excluding the ´famous´ ones that are always around) that suddenly goes around in a specific year (or month), then it probably is the same one.
 
Just wanted to say I've heard from two different people that a lot of microdots that used to do the rounds were one of the DO compounds, this makes sense when you hear people say it lasted 20 hours+ I've heard a lot of folks getting long trips from microdots as well. Wish I could get weak acid! Had one in India in January forgot how stimulating acid can be it was amazing so appreciate the fact that you can at least get it! :)
 
endlessness said:
200mg - Here the fun starts for me. Same as above, but I dont have to ´force myself or pay a lot of atention to have visuals, its more fluid and obvious.
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This seems to be as far as i ever get with LSD, irrelivent of how much i seemed to take. I stopped taking it when i figured that i would have to take more than i would like to get effects.


Infinite I said:
Wish I could get weak acid! Had one in India in January forgot how stimulating acid can be it was amazing so appreciate the fact that you can at least get it! :)
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i say on and off because its as rare as chickens teeth round my way. These last 2 batchs are the easiest i have ever found, only 3 phone calls involved, i was very pleasantly surprised.
 
I have a friend who has 3 dropper bottles of liquid LSD. He refers to them as V6, V8 and V12. I have had many different papers, drops, gel tabs and even a microdot. Out of all of them two blotters stood out: Anniversary Hoffmans and Shivas. My friend's liquid drops completely blew all of them out of the water.

I have no way of telling how strong his drops are in micrograms, but I started with "V6" and it was a profoundly spiritual experience where I would melt into oneness with the universe. I also experienced my first synesthesia where I tasted and heard the colour yellow. In broad daylight, intricate webs of fractals would materialise out of thin air and people had kaleidoscopic auras surrounding their bodies.

A few months later I tried the V8 acid. It was night time and wherever I stepped, giant flowers would burst out of the ground in the corner of my eyes. I couldn't make out people's faces even under lights. Music was simply indescribable. My vision was stretching and breathing and transforming. If I wasn't familiar with the DMT experience, I might have freaked out. No deep spiritual feelings, but I had peace in my heart and unconditionally loved every atom and quantum of energy in the universe. When the sun came up about 10 hours later, everything was still moving, shimmering and shifting colour and I spent the rest of the day dancing under the sun, grateful and happy.

This past weekend I bumped into my friend at a darkpsy party in a forest. He invited me to his camp to try the V12 acid later that night. Within an hour of taking one drop, I had to lie down because my brain started shutting down on some levels as the effects of the acid was simply too much to handle. I was incapacitated and fading into and out of reality. It wasn't traumatic or bad, just too much. I was very nauseous and felt myself dying over and over again. After what seemed to be about 2 hours, I regained some control over my body again and went to the dancefloor. I couldn't believe the scope of my open eye visuals - brightly glowing ribbons of 3D colour dancing and swarming around my body (which I couldn't feel, but still somehow control). Walking to the dancefloor, I felt like I was 3 feet tall the one moment and then like a giant the next. The stars in the sky, my god, each one gave birth to scores of brightly coloured afterimages and the constellations danced and swayed to a rhythm that felt so alive. The whole universe was alive from the subatomic to galactic level.

An artist called Kashyyyk was playing his set as I arrived on the open air floor. Never in my life have I heard anything like that. His set took me right out of my body and I couldn't find my way back in. Not that I was concerned at all. Never have I felt such peace. As the set went on I couldn't even recognise my body anymore. I knew I was one of these people, but I wasn't even sure if I was a boy or a girl. My ego died and I was pure conciousness. This was the experience I've always read about.

Out of curiosity I wish I knew the potency of my friend's collection of vials. One thing is for sure, regular "street" acid will never be the same again. I have no desire to go deeper on acid either. That was enough.
 
that sounds epic and just what i had been led to believe. I wish to one day meet your friend and his bottle of V12:wink:
 
I'm still glowing 3 days later.

Nothing comes close to DMT though. My most intense LSD hallucinations are positively subtle compared to even a low dose of spice.
 
dtrypt I dream of the day I run into a vial of V12! Sounds superb.

I'd say I've run into the 200 to 300mcg range with most of the stuff I've had.
Not bad but you definitely have to take more than one tab.
 
endlessness said:
50mg - No visuals at all. I mostly notice the come up and ´electric´ feeling, but it doesnt develop into anything more than this certain extra energy. Things might have an extra ´shine´ to them but not much. Helps me think clearer, but I find its more of the ´tension´ and not enough of the ´goods´ to be worth it.
100mg - Beggining of visuals, patterns. Cognition enhanced, body control enhanced, more music appreciation but nothing out of this world
200mg - Here the fun starts for me. Same as above, but I dont have to ´force myself or pay a lot of atention to have visuals, its more fluid and obvious.
300mg - Decently strong visual distortions, OEV and CEV. Feel like an advanced cyborg, many great insights and ideas, amazing body control most times, music is superb, etc. Some moments i might be sitting in a position and lose the border between my arms and my legs or between my body and an object, but with a small movement, looking or payign attention, I can feel ¨normality¨ back again.
500mg+ - Here the world is melting.. While I have moments of amazing body control, in some moments I might also be quite melted myself and just be laying down and amazed at reality, and can lose the sense of separation between different body parts, or between me and environment, etc.
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To those not that au fait with LSD, Im sure Endlessness means mcgs, not mgs!!:shock: :lol:
 
Anybody see this article (or any of the other 20 that came out last year)? French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment

The short version of this is that some researchers using FOIA and other sources have claimed that a mass hallucination that took place in the 50's in southern France in a village called Pont-Saint-Esprit was actually a CIA mind control experiment.

I don't want to violate any conspiracy rules here, but this is actually a mainstream article, and it has been talked about by a ton of other mainstream venues like this BBC take on the story. Pont-Saint-Esprit poisoning: Did the CIA spread LSD?

I don't want to start a separate forum thread... and this is certainly a bit offtopic from the OP, but if you read these articles, you will see that the title LSD, not what is said on the tin fits pretty good.
 
dtrypt said:
An artist called Kashyyyk was playing his set as I arrived on the open air floor. Never in my life have I heard anything like that. His set took me right out of my body and I couldn't find my way back in.
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Kashyyyk's music tends to do that to people:) good stuff IMO.
 
Hyperspace Fool said:
Anybody see this article (or any of the other 20 that came out last year)?
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sometimes the truths stranger than conspiracy. A truely horrific thing to do to people.
 
dtrypt said:
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Thanks for sharing!

A fw questions: How long did each of them last? How long did it take to come up? Why did your friend gave the v6 v8 v12 names, was it after trying them out, and ordering by what he thought was potency/quality? Did you know his own estimation before taking it or was it "blind" ?


Hyperspace Fool said:
Anybody see this article (or any of the other 20 that came out last year)? French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment

The short version of this is that some researchers using FOIA and other sources have claimed that a mass hallucination that took place in the 50's in southern France in a village called Pont-Saint-Esprit was actually a CIA mind control experiment.

I don't want to violate any conspiracy rules here, but this is actually a mainstream article, and it has been talked about by a ton of other mainstream venues like this BBC take on the story. Pont-Saint-Esprit poisoning: Did the CIA spread LSD?

I don't want to start a separate forum thread... and this is certainly a bit offtopic from the OP, but if you read these articles, you will see that the title LSD, not what is said on the tin fits pretty good.
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Indeed off topic but an interesting (sad) story... I wouldnt doubt it if it was some unsuspected dosing from CIA, after all this has been well documented with project MK-ULTRA. I think the original hypothesis was ergotism?

The problem with the CIA poisoning hypothesis though, is that if im not mistaken, some people actually died from the poisoning? So how could one explain that if it was LSD, considering how physically safe it is?
 
in one of the articles it says that it was a similar compound to LSD but the symptoms didnt quite fit.

One note transcribes a conversation between a CIA agent and a Sandoz official who mentions the "secret of Pont-Saint-Esprit" and explains that it was not "at all" caused by mould but by diethylamide, the D in LSD.
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however i have no idea what diethylamide is.
 
endlessness said:
dtrypt said:
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Thanks for sharing!

A fw questions: How long did each of them last? How long did it take to come up? Why did your friend gave the v6 v8 v12 names, was it after trying them out, and ordering by what he thought was potency/quality? Did you know his own estimation before taking it or was it "blind" ?
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All three experiences lasted around 10 to 12 hours, with the "V8" lingering longer because I took about 400mg of MDMA shards in the hours leading up to taking the drop.

Coming up I could feel strong mental and tactile effects within an hour with visuals peaking between 3 and 8 hours into the trips. I am estimating here because time was a very difficult concept to grasp on each occasion. The come up and duration felt identical to all my other LSD experiences.

I'm not sure how the vials were ordered, but he was definitely aware that he was getting 3 different potencies. The V6, V8 and V12 nomenclature is his own. I just took it every time without thinking too much because he's a good man and I trust him.
 
endlessness said:
The problem with the CIA poisoning hypothesis though, is that if im not mistaken, some people actually died from the poisoning? So how could one explain that if it was LSD, considering how physically safe it is?
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From the various stories out there, it seems that the people that died or were injured were primarily cases of people leaping from rooftops or injuring themselves from being unwittingly high out of their minds for many days straight.

Who knows? It is certainly disturbing... and the confirmation from the Sandoz official makes you really wonder. It might not have been LSD 25 at all, but something designed to be able to pass for ergotism.

Anyway...
 
..some large/thick blotter around in australia in the mid 90s, and causing 20 hour and psychotic symptoms in some, was found by a drug-harm-reduction clinic lab test to be impure STP (DOM) ..they were called 'tables and chairs' from memory..dodgy!

..'purple pyramid' gelatin blotters (a favorite of many, many years ago) was rumored to be in fact ALD-52..they were very smooth..

and i have heard from Trout that purported LSD originating from Canada a few years ago was some kind of related, but quicker to make relative compound..
stories i heard about this canadian 'lsd' were it was particularly 'scattery', 'jagged' and odd..most who'd had real LSD didn't like it, but unfortunate kids wouldn't know..
 
Interesting nen888. This Canadian faux LSD, was this before or after 1996 (Sand's arrest) ?

And sorry to the OP. You made a great thread with specific questions but we kind of derailed it. I would answer but I haven't had any LSD with a known dosage.
 
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