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LSH Jello???

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ElusiveMind

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Yes, I no this sounds a little far fetched but I just had a crazy thought an wanted to see what others though.
Having learned recently that another form of LSD (but not common) is in gelatin cubes. (more so back in the day then now) My idea is make a "remix" of that but with LSA + Peppermint oil in Jello... (Sounds stupid yes i know).

Materials:
- extracted LSA in distilled water
- peppermint oil
- and Jello

Make the Jello like you normally would but just before it solidifies (which will hopefully be low as too not destroy the LSA), add the LSA water and peppermint oil into the Jello and shake it around for a little bit. Put back in fridge and let Jello harden. Now I know acetaldehyde evaporates at room temperature, but would the Jello act as a "container" for the acetaldehyde or would it evaporate anyways??

(I know this is pretty stupid but just thought I would throw the idea out there :lol: )
 
Well it isn't uncommon for LSD to come in gelatin. Someone (maybe Ron?) was talking about a black jello tetrahedron being pretty much an ideal substance conveyance other than a pressed pill, since the color and shape would keep light from reaching anything active. Dunno about the longevity of LSH in any medium though.
 
This is a very good idea.

SWIM has made 5-MeO-DMT gel tabs using gelatin before. These were for sublingual use and worked very well.

LSH is not very stable, but if you harden the gelatin in the refrigerator and then dehydrate it in the freezer, the LSH should not come apart. Supposedly, LSH is stable in the refrigerator and freezer, but not stable in heat. Keep the gel tabs in the freezer and it should last a long time.

LSH in seeds lasts long enough at room temperature to still be active in some seeds bought on-line. I’m not sure how long it lasts that way, not too long I believe because most people will say fresh seeds, freshly picked, are always the most like LSD.

The only real question is will the LSH form. Sometimes an LSA to LSH conversion doesn’t work and no one seems to really know why. Add some vitamin C or citric acid to make it a little acidic and that is believed to help the LSH form. Add the peppermint oil after its already cooled down, before it solidifies to ensure the acetaldehyde doesn’t evaporate away. Oh, I’d also add some purified white powder stevia extract for sweetening. It will make it taste like a candy cane. Just don’t use too much or it will taste bitter.

(EDIT: Keep in mind that the idea of an LSA to LSH conversion using acetaldehyde is only a hypothesis, and has yet to be proven, but nonetheless, it does change the effects of LSA)
 
Hmm. This is a pretty interesting idea.
I'm not sure if this would help hold the bonds or not.

It seems to work fine with just water MOST of the time, as long as you keep it cold and do it right.
I'm guessing you know how to do it normally, but if not feel free to PM me.
 
g13juggalo said:
Hmm. This is a pretty interesting idea.
I'm not sure if this would help hold the bonds or not.

It seems to work fine with just water MOST of the time, as long as you keep it cold and do it right.
I'm guessing you know how to do it normally, but if not feel free to PM me.
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Ya, SWIM has made 69ron's Peppermint LSH tea a bunch of times now, of course though sometimes it works, others it doesn't. :?

69ron said:
LSH is not very stable, but if you harden the gelatin in the refrigerator and then dehydrate it in the freezer, the LSH should not come apart.
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Would the LSH only stay stable in the refrigerator only then, or could SWIM take them out in room temperature and they would still be fine? SWIM remembers WAY back in grade 10 science that Jello was one of a few combination that couldn't be undone. (From what SWIM remembers anyways...) So SWIMs theory is that the acetaldehyde and LSA would 'bond' (for the lack of a better word) with the Jello, thus becoming inseparable with the Jello. Now the main question is would the acetaldehyde still evaporate anyways or would it combine fully with the gelatin making it inseparable?

69ron said:
Add some vitamin C or citric acid to make it a little acidic and that is believed to help the LSH form
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So just enough to make it PH 4 from what SWIM has read??
 
Yeah, about pH 4.

The gelatin should help keep it from coming apart for a while at least. More so if there's glycerin or water present in the gelatin.

LSD stored in gel tab form (containing glycerin) at room temperature is very stable and lasts many times longer than LSD stored on blotter paper.

The reason most people find LSD gel tabs to be "cleaner" is because it takes longer to degrade so the tabs stay fresh longer. The effect of "unclean" acid is usually just the effects of degraded acid. Acid decomposes into other active alkaloids, and so as it ages it loses its "magic" and starts taking on a more mundane effect. In this way it's sort of like LSH. LSH degrades into LSA. LSA is just a sedative. LSA further breaks down into other alkaloids, but I don't know what they are. Very old LSA that has decomposed is quite unpleasant.

The idea is that you want to keep the LSH from vibrating apart from the acetaldehyde. In heat, the acetaldehyde wants to vibrate and break free and vaporize away. Acetaldehyde boils at room temperature and so it's best to keep it at room temperature in liquid form, otherwise it just forms a gas and floats away. Sort of like hydrochloric acid which is just a mix of hydrogen chloride and water. The water keeps it from vaporizing away. Without the water, it forms a gas and floats away. The water slows this action down a lot, but doesn't prevent it from forming a gas. Acetaldehyde is very similar in this way. It will stick around when in water, but not when dried.

When you make gel tabs, they normally contain a little glycerin, so they are actually a gelled liquid. Acetaldehyde in gelatin that has glycerin in it should not vaporize away so easily. The glycerin will keep it "dissolved" in the gelatin. This is why most gel tabs contain glycerin. It acts as a stabilizer for many compounds that would normally just vaporize away.

Glycerin is a great thing for this purpose. It evaporates very slowly compared to water and so it should give your gel tabs a really good shelf life.

When making gel tabs for LSD, people add vitamin C to prevent oxidation, and they add coloring to prevent the LSD from decomposing from light, and they add glycerin to help keep the LSD dissolved. When LSD is dissolved in glycerin, it's protected from the outside elements by being surrounded by the glycerin molecules. The glycerin acts as a shield.

The main thing here that you want to focus on is that LSH is said to be more stable in solution than when dried, because of the acetaldehyde it contains. So adding glycerin to the gel tabs keeps the LSH in solution long after all the water evaporates away.

Take a look at some gel tab recipes that use glycerin. I think this is a great way to make LSH somewhat more stable. I think probably a properly made LSH gel tab would stay effective for at least a few months, whereas LSH powder would probably only stay effective for a few hours. Glycerin would keep the acetaldehyde from vaporizing away, and even it if broke free from the LSA, the acetaldehyde would stay in the glycerin for a long time and might even reform LSH in your stomach when you ingest it.
 
This wouldn't really work like LSD gel tabs though, right? This recipe seems like it would be, well, jiggly and fragile. Would it be possible to make a 'sheet' somewhat thin and dry it out to keep things from falling apart?
 
@ 69ron
Thanks for your help 69ron and for the explanation with gel tabs. SWIM guesses they'll need to find a gel tab tek now. :p

@ Touche Guevara
Well that's what the gel caps are for. SWIM thinks you could probably make it like LSD sheets, but it's much easier (in SWIMs opinion) with the gel caps instead. SWIM was originally just wanting to make LSH Jello in a cup, and eat it with a spoon! :shock: NOM NOM NOM!! :d
 
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