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Lucid Dreaming (and the chemicals that make it happen!)
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40oztofreedom
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shoe said:
I've taken 9mg's every night for the past... probably two weeks. The effects where present when I FIRST started taking them, but the more I seem to take them, the effects dissapate.
sillysyban
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I agree with gigaschatten, just keep a dream journal and you will start to remember heaps of dreams. It is hard to turn on the light and write in the middle of the night so just keep a mini tape recorder by your bed and when you wake up after a dream record it. That makes it easy but it is worthwhile writing it down if you can as you wake up more and the next dream cycle you are more likely to go lucid. I also agree that DMT is a good lucid dream incubator. Check out this post from 2007. Lucid Dreaming. - DMT Discussion - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
Take it easy good people.
Take it easy good people.
PsilocybeChild
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try smoking it lol ..seriously
just take note that their can be fillers inside the capsules that you wouldn't want to smoke
modsquad09
mods
40oztofreedom said:
it really depends on dosage, each person, & the brand..
there are so many, ive found that the source naturals works, the sublingual. after long use i started getting weird dreams & hot flash/night terror, waking up alot, so ive just been taking valerian lately..
I also use it after trips, trying to sleep/recover off drugs like extacy or cocaine.
ive tryed the new all natural melatonin it was ok, i just got the travel pack so idk..
i tryed a walmart brand naturol or something it sucked, & a couple other brands that i tryed at wild oats sucked, i think it was a 3mg time release..
the dosages are pretty iffy.. but its an interesting chemical for dreaming.
I find taking harmaloids (in tea or sublingual) 1-2 hours before sleep gives pretty consistent results of stronger dreams.
dreams that are more coherent...one long dream where everything is connected instead of little separate stories through the night with noticable gaps in them.
dreams that are more coherent...one long dream where everything is connected instead of little separate stories through the night with noticable gaps in them.
69ron
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Harmaline is absolutely great for that. About 80 mg orally 1 hour before bed and you’ll have tons of fantastic dreams. Plus, it’s sedative effects help you sleep if you have insomnia.
Jimson weed seeds are actually one of the best herbs for lucid dreaming. About 1-3 seeds is all you need for it. You boil the seeds in water for about 5 minutes and then strain and drink it about 30 minutes before bed.
Note that SWIM has used Jimson weed many times in the past, but never more than once a month. He’s always used very small safe doses, never enough to cause much effect while awake. Jimson weed (Datura stramonium) can be fatal in large doses so be careful if you use it. Do not use more than 10 seeds. Do not handle the seeds or the plant with your bare hands because the active alkaloids can soak into your skin.
Jimson weed seeds contain up to a maximum of 0.7% alkaloids with hyoscyamine being the main alkaloid with a little scopolamine and traces of atropine. 1 seed weighs about 8 mg, so 1 seed can contain up to about 56 micrograms, but 20-30 micrograms is more typical. The pharmaceutical safe adult dosage range for hyoscyamine is up to 1500 micrograms. A typical adult dose of hyoscyamine in oral tablet form is 125 micrograms. I would not recommend going above that. 3 Jimson weed seeds could contain up to 168 micrograms if they are extremely potent, but in most cases 3 seeds will contain about 70 micrograms.
Sometime people take dangerous amounts of Jimson weed to purposely get delirious. That’s a very risky thing to do. Many people have died trying to get delirious from Jimson weed, often eating as much as 50-200 seeds! 50 seeds could contain up to 2800 micrograms of hyoscyamine. That’s nearly twice the recommended maximum safe adult dose of 1500 micrograms and could be fatal for some people.
PLEASE DO NOT USE JIMSON WEED TO GET DELIRIOUS! Even if you don’t die, you might do something really stupid while delirious or even suffer mental problems for many days after that.
Harmaline is generally considered to be safer than hyoscyamine. There are no deaths reported for harmaline that I am away of, but there are many deaths reported from hyoscyamine overdose.
Jimson weed seeds are actually one of the best herbs for lucid dreaming. About 1-3 seeds is all you need for it. You boil the seeds in water for about 5 minutes and then strain and drink it about 30 minutes before bed.
Note that SWIM has used Jimson weed many times in the past, but never more than once a month. He’s always used very small safe doses, never enough to cause much effect while awake. Jimson weed (Datura stramonium) can be fatal in large doses so be careful if you use it. Do not use more than 10 seeds. Do not handle the seeds or the plant with your bare hands because the active alkaloids can soak into your skin.
Jimson weed seeds contain up to a maximum of 0.7% alkaloids with hyoscyamine being the main alkaloid with a little scopolamine and traces of atropine. 1 seed weighs about 8 mg, so 1 seed can contain up to about 56 micrograms, but 20-30 micrograms is more typical. The pharmaceutical safe adult dosage range for hyoscyamine is up to 1500 micrograms. A typical adult dose of hyoscyamine in oral tablet form is 125 micrograms. I would not recommend going above that. 3 Jimson weed seeds could contain up to 168 micrograms if they are extremely potent, but in most cases 3 seeds will contain about 70 micrograms.
Sometime people take dangerous amounts of Jimson weed to purposely get delirious. That’s a very risky thing to do. Many people have died trying to get delirious from Jimson weed, often eating as much as 50-200 seeds! 50 seeds could contain up to 2800 micrograms of hyoscyamine. That’s nearly twice the recommended maximum safe adult dose of 1500 micrograms and could be fatal for some people.
PLEASE DO NOT USE JIMSON WEED TO GET DELIRIOUS! Even if you don’t die, you might do something really stupid while delirious or even suffer mental problems for many days after that.
Harmaline is generally considered to be safer than hyoscyamine. There are no deaths reported for harmaline that I am away of, but there are many deaths reported from hyoscyamine overdose.
yeah my main attraction to harmaloids has been the nearly no side effects and pretty much non-existant half-life. experimenting with the dreaded tyramine-containing foods failed to produce anything in the realm of tension headaches or nausea. RIMA's are not as scary as pharma MAOI's.
I also find it works well in the mid-day combining harmaloids with raw cacao nibs. a general feeling of contentment and focus persists for the rest of the day.
I also find it works well in the mid-day combining harmaloids with raw cacao nibs. a general feeling of contentment and focus persists for the rest of the day.
69ron
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Jorkest said:sweet so...jimson weed is good shit
Jimson weed is dangerous. But in very low doses it's not and has many medical uses. The problem is lots of people try taking tons of seeds to get "hallucinations". The hallucinations one gets from Jimson weed look completely real to you, you cannot tell the difference between what’s real and what’s not, and during that state of delirium you are extremely stupefied and you could very easily slip into a coma or die. The doses needed for that type of experience from Jimson weed are on the verge of being fatal. Jimson weed has a bad wrap from people taking overdoses of it to get “hallucinations”. That’s very dangerous. Many people have died from that.
I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression about Jimson weed. It can be fatal if you don't know what you're doing. 1-3 seeds are considered safe for adults. Once you go beyond 10 seeds (the maximum safe dose for herbal medical purposes), you’re getting into extremely risky territory. People taking 50-100 seeds to get delirious from it are risking their own sanity, the safety of others around them, and risking their own lives.
I've seen reports of as little as 15 seeds of an unknown Datura plant causing delirium. These were probably not Jimson weed seeds, but much larger seeds from a different Datura. Some Datura have larger seeds than Jimson weed, and they can contain much more alkaloids by seed count because they’re larger. Rather than judging dosage by seed count which requires 100% accurate species identification, it’s better to weigh them and use no more than 24 mg of Jimson weed seeds (about 3 seeds if correctly identified).
These spirits are laughing, right now, at the word safe, and how you try and apply it to their algorithms.
No offense, I just had to point that out.
No offense, I just had to point that out.
P.s. A hummingbird once told me to gather brugmansia flowers and point them toward my dome when I dream. They are very loud flowers, no need for ingestion. May I point out that the human being ingests auratically. We can also do this with fresh harvested mugwort placed under pillows. Spirits are Radioactive. 
Godspeed . .
Godspeed . .
Acetylcholine is involved in dreaming and REM sleep. Nicotine will cause long vivid intense dreams. It can cause nightmares too, and this is why it is recommended to remove the nicotine patch prior to going to sleep. Try getting the lowest dose patch and putting it on before sleep you will certainly have altered dreams. You may or may not be able to tamper with the patch to obtain a desirable dose ( SWIM does not recommend this - nicotine is a dangerous drug that can kill). Nicotine has a short half life (about 1 hour) so smoking a cigarette before bed will not likely have the same effect as having the patch which will maintain nicotine content in blood throughout the night. Maybe those camel SNUS "spitless" dip pouches would also work as they would slowly release nicotine and possibly maintain blood concentrations. May need a couple? Check it out.
Other acetylcholine like drugs will likely cause altered dream effects. The datura alkaloid are themselves acetylcholine antagonists. So both agonists and antagonists will likely work to alter the dreams.
Dreams are amazing. Keeping a journal of ones dreams definitely aids in dream recall, one begins to recall the contents of their dream much more efficiently if they get into the habit of writing them down. it is amazing how easily a dream can be completely forgotten if an attempt to recall is not made. Keep the journal right next to your bed. it is a pain to write at 4 in the morning but if you make your self do it the first few times it does get easier. This can even help with lucid dreaming as you sometimes realize you are dreaming and that you should write this down...
Other acetylcholine like drugs will likely cause altered dream effects. The datura alkaloid are themselves acetylcholine antagonists. So both agonists and antagonists will likely work to alter the dreams.
Dreams are amazing. Keeping a journal of ones dreams definitely aids in dream recall, one begins to recall the contents of their dream much more efficiently if they get into the habit of writing them down. it is amazing how easily a dream can be completely forgotten if an attempt to recall is not made. Keep the journal right next to your bed. it is a pain to write at 4 in the morning but if you make your self do it the first few times it does get easier. This can even help with lucid dreaming as you sometimes realize you are dreaming and that you should write this down...
69ron said:Jorkest said:sweet so...jimson weed is good shit
Jimson weed is dangerous. But in very low doses it's not and has many medical uses. The problem is lots of people try taking tons of seeds to get "hallucinations". The hallucinations one gets from Jimson weed look completely real to you, you cannot tell the difference between what’s real and what’s not, and during that state of delirium you are extremely stupefied and you could very easily slip into a coma or die. The doses needed for that type of experience from Jimson weed are on the verge of being fatal. Jimson weed has a bad wrap from people taking overdoses of it to get “hallucinations”. That’s very dangerous. Many people have died from that.
I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression about Jimson weed. It can be fatal if you don't know what you're doing. 1-3 seeds are considered safe for adults. Once you go beyond 10 seeds (the maximum safe dose for herbal medical purposes), you’re getting into extremely risky territory. People taking 50-100 seeds to get delirious from it are risking their own sanity, the safety of others around them, and risking their own lives.
Absolutely true. This is by far the most risky stuff i have ever tried. And it's not that much fun or deepening anyway. You realy will not be able to tell the difference between the real world and your own fantasy with this. And that's not because it's so special but mostly because this stuff makes you mentally cripled. And it might take two days to get completely normal again. with this stuff i had conversations with a skeleton, the house i was in was making aerobatic manouvres, etc. and i did not even realize that those things are simply not possible.
How much of the experience were you able to remember?
What does was taken?
SWIM has heard of many people getting into trouble with this substance. Most some how end up naked walking around (NOT KIDDING). However it is also very fascinating pharmacologically as it significantly alters the state of the mind in a unique way.
What does was taken?
SWIM has heard of many people getting into trouble with this substance. Most some how end up naked walking around (NOT KIDDING). However it is also very fascinating pharmacologically as it significantly alters the state of the mind in a unique way.
I second 69ron's remarks. But there is something with tropanes that does induce wild dreaming in sub-hallucinatory doses. SWIM gets very wild dreams buy eating mandrake powder (~5g brewed in a tea). Quite beautiful.69ron said:Jorkest said:sweet so...jimson weed is good shit
Jimson weed is dangerous....
bufoman said:
I have done it a dozen times, when i was in my wild teen-age years.
A few times i combined it with acid, wich was amazing. Most of the times i made tea of 25 to 30 leaves and some other parts of the plant.
One time though, i decided to boil the leaves in water to make a slightly stronger extract. Thing is that it wasn't slightly stronger, it was way, way, way stronger then the tea i normally used to make.
I also noticed that sensitivity to the substance varies from person to person. A friend of me totally freaked out on the tea, i thought was not too intense.
69ron
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On a side note, in the past SWIM has had lots of LSD laced with either atropine, scopolamine, or hyoscyamine. He could distinctly feel the tropane alkaloids in the acid. These alkaloids are active in the microgram dosage level and so they easily fit on blotter hits along with LSD.
You can tell if your acid is laced with tropane alkaloids because it causes the following side effects:
* Slightly reddish face, arms, etc. (Pure LSD tends to make you pale, not more reddish)
* Extremely dilated pupils more so than LSD normally does.
* Difficulty urinating (you might feel the need to urinate but little if anything comes out)
The combination is quite nice. It's much more visual than pure LSD, much more trippy, but these types of blotter acid are dangerous to take in large doses.
SWIM has run across acid laced with tropane alkaloids maybe about 50 times. (He's used acid over a thousand times in his past.)
You can tell if your acid is laced with tropane alkaloids because it causes the following side effects:
* Slightly reddish face, arms, etc. (Pure LSD tends to make you pale, not more reddish)
* Extremely dilated pupils more so than LSD normally does.
* Difficulty urinating (you might feel the need to urinate but little if anything comes out)
The combination is quite nice. It's much more visual than pure LSD, much more trippy, but these types of blotter acid are dangerous to take in large doses.
SWIM has run across acid laced with tropane alkaloids maybe about 50 times. (He's used acid over a thousand times in his past.)