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Making Changa with caapi extract

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Once you add the alcohol to the BL and lavender, they will both lose their color and texture. It's recommended to add it afterwards to keep some visual aesthetics to the blend instead of a bunch of black stuff. You could mix it all together before adding the spice but it won't look nearly as pretty once it's finished.

I'd use the passionflower and damiana as the base herb to infuse the alks and spice to. After some more research I have to suggest going lower on the caapi alks as well. It seems if you take too much harmalas via sublingul or smoked, it has a higher chance to increase the nausea and other side effects.

I'd recommend 1g spice, .25 passionflower, .25 damiana, .25 caapi alks and afterward some BL and lavender mixed in for aesthetics.
 
Ok great, thanks a lot :)

Not sure if SWIM will bother adding the damiana or not, I'm not sure if it will add anything constructive or just serve to somewhat dilute the blend... ?
 
Dorge said:
It'll just dilute it.
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Yeh, figured as much. I actually don't mind the flavour of passionflower, so altering the taste with damiana isn't of interest to me. I'm yet to try blue lotus, not sure how i'll find it.
 
Blue lotus doesn't really add much either... Honestly and I mean honestly here... NONE ofthe plant additives really add much as far as effect go. Its taste or other wise some sort of spiritual alchemy one does, which is pretty subjective. Yopo is really the only additive swim can think of that will really effect it's over all effects honestly.
 
Dorge said:
Blue lotus doesn't really add much either... Honestly and I mean honestly here... NONE ofthe plant additives really add much as far as effect go. Its taste or other wise some sort of spiritual alchemy one does, which is pretty subjective. Yopo is really the only additive swim can think of that will really effect it's over all effects honestly.
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Yeh I had the impression that a sense of spiritual alchemy was a big part of people's choice to add such a large variety of plant materials.

What is your opinion of the addition of MAOI containing plants? Many people seem to argue that passionflower is insufficient at causing a MAOI effect (which I would tend to agree with), but what about the addition of caapi alks, as is being discussed in this thread?

You mention that yopo is the only additive that your really attest to. I'm assuming that this is due to it's bufotenin and 5-MEO-DMT content?... How do you find it different?
How do you use it as an additive? Extract the alks from the seeds and then add it to your spice or changa?
 
Dorge said:
Blue lotus doesn't really add much either... Honestly and I mean honestly here... NONE ofthe plant additives really add much as far as effect go.
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I've found (so far, from my somewhat limited experience) that some do add effects in certain combinations and quantities. Salvia leaf combined with Calea Zacatechichi for example, that definitely added a different feel to the blend. Also when I made a blend with Wild Dagga, Indian Warrior, and Blue Lotus they seemed to synergize well and add a relaxing effect to the experience. More so than simply spiritual alchemy. The relaxing blend I did add less spice to, however. I believe I made it 1g spice, 1g Wild Dagga, 1g Indian Warrior, 1g Blue Lotus. I think if you make your blend heavy on the spice, there simply isn't going to be enough of the plant material to make much a difference. Also, my Salvia and Calea blend I used plain Salvia leaf, but an extract of Calea.
 
soma_seeker said:
Dorge said:
Blue lotus doesn't really add much either... Honestly and I mean honestly here... NONE ofthe plant additives really add much as far as effect go. Its taste or other wise some sort of spiritual alchemy one does, which is pretty subjective. Yopo is really the only additive swim can think of that will really effect it's over all effects honestly.
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Yeh I had the impression that a sense of spiritual alchemy was a big part of people's choice to add such a large variety of plant materials.

What is your opinion of the addition of MAOI containing plants? Many people seem to argue that passionflower is insufficient at causing a MAOI effect (which I would tend to agree with), but what about the addition of caapi alks, as is being discussed in this thread?

You mention that yopo is the only additive that your really attest to. I'm assuming that this is due to it's bufotenin and 5-MEO-DMT content?... How do you find it different?
How do you use it as an additive? Extract the alks from the seeds and then add it to your spice or changa?
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As far as actually synergistic effects with the changa, yopo seeds are fairly active even on their own and the effects are increased with the changa. Of coarse adding some of the harmala plants is going to have an impact. Passion flower however requires a lot and is sedative.

As far as the other plants listed in the above post, what's the intention and desired effects? Persoanlly besides salvia swim doesn't get effects from any of those listed.
 
Dorge said:
Persoanlly besides salvia swim doesn't get effects from any of those listed.
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Really? That's kind of odd. Wild Dagga, Indian Warrior, and Blue Lotus all give me a similar effect. Mild sedation, mild euphoria, a relaxing effect. I don't have to smoke all that much to get a pronounced effect either...

Calea Zacatechichi gives me sedation at higher doses as well, and obviously very vivid dreams.
 
Nope. Swim believes their effects pretty substandard smoked at least. Tinctures of any of the above however are pretty damn good!
 
Even salvia extracts don't effect me. At least not in the same way it does most people. And then again cilantro tastes like soap to some people because of physiological differences in their sense of tatse so there's that...
 
Ok so i have my changa evaporating right now and i have been thinking, if 1 gram of dmt is in the changa mix, thats 20 breakthrough doses right?
since there is only 1 gram of herbs wont this mean every break through dose will be very small bowls/cones depending where ur from.

So yeh would this mean .1g/100mg would be a breakthrough dose of changa?
 
Im really starting to worry about my changa mix as it loooks like its going to be hard to split 1g of blue lotus into 20 doses, im worried ive stuffed the ratio up or something??

i put in 1g blue lotus, 1g dmt and about.4g caapi alkaloids is this right?
 
someone please shed some light on my problem as i am about to add another gram of blue lotus to my changa mix so that it will now be 2g blue lotus, 1 gram dmt, .4g caapi alks
will this be ok?

it just doesn't look like enough herb material to split into 20 doses, usually i would just use my common sense and add another gram of blue lotusso that i can spread the does out making it easier to split up into 20 doses, i also do not want the small amount of changa to just pass through my bong/pipe without properly burning because of the small quantity i would need to pack

so yeah what shuld i do??? please help?
 
i ended up adding 2.5g of blue lotus so each dose would be equal to about half a bowl. will let you know know it goes :)
 
This thread has a lot of good information for me in it! thanks guys.
Ive made orders for passion flower, blue lotus, syrian rue, caapi alkaloid extracts and a few other things. I am curious about what slicer is talking about, because I also think that making a blend with a 1 to 1 ratio will leave you with a small amount of potent changa mix. Does it work well to simply change the ratio like slicer did?
Also, will the alkaloid extracts dissolve in isopropyl alcohol?
 
the 1:1 refers to the weight used of your herbs : DMT

so lets say you had 999mg of your mixed herbs, add 999mg DMT to that or more...that will equate to 1.98g

Sure you can make it less but it will be significantly weaker.
 
So it is better to have a smaller amount that is more potent? Then could I just split it up into 20 different piles that i just put onto another bed of blue lotus or passion flower?
 
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