Making DMT last longer when smoked

[SnozzleBerry]

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Probably thats why you aren't going so far with such big doses. If you want to blast off far and breakthrough, try instead to vaporize 20-30mg in one hit, or two max, and be sure to hold in the vapor as long as possible in the lungs. You can also for example exhale just a bit of the vapor out when you cannot hold in any longer, and breathe in some fresh air again so you can hold whats still in your lungs for even longer..

I'd bet if you get your technique down with single hits you'll never suggest others need 50mg+ again.

Either way, good luck

 

[frobot]

A prolonged synaethic experience without such a violent onset would be supreme! And my spice would go alot further Pleased

I would definitely give it a shot. Probably a good idea to start with less of a dose than what you normally do.
There was a time where spice was scarce and I was running low, so I would only smoke it with the aid of mushrooms because I could nearly half the dose and still have nice effects.

 

[1ce]

A prolonged synaethic experience without such a violent onset would be supreme! And my spice would go alot further Pleased

I would definitely give it a shot. Probably a good idea to start with less of a dose than what you normally do.
There was a time where spice was scarce and I was running low, so I would only smoke it with the aid of mushrooms because I could nearly half the dose and still have nice effects.

Yeah. I always start smaller and integrate before the big one. Quiet meditation and candle light also helps. For some reason (I lay down after taking my hit) I feel if I have 1 foot on the ground it helps me ease into the experience better.

Mushrooms (or any other psychedelic) can't really be found in my area so I've been reading up on the mushroom threads here. They seem pretty helpful for growing and cultivating mushies !

 

[door#6]

Hey Frobot, so about the original question... If you happen to have some ACRB around you could drink that without need of a MAOI and vaporize when you start to peak. If I had my choice that might be the way I'd do it, had I a family to worry about.

Maybe anther member with more experience would chime in, I've never smoked DMT while drinking ACRB so, but it just came to me that it might fit your situation.

Anyhow, I'm sure it will all go well and I'd love to read your report if you decide to try.

~Door#6

 

[HumbleTraveler]

For those of you who DO those massively insane doses of 50+ and say you get it all...after you come back, do you check to see if you actually did indeed get it all?

I use ceramic discs, and once I come back down from my journeys, I always give them a blast of heat to see if they still have any spice remaining. Sometimes they do, and Im only talking 15-20mg doses here over 1-2 hits.

Would be a good way to see if youre actually getting all of that dose is to see if theres any still remaining afterwards.

 

[1ce]

It's pretty rare. I like to hit the pipe again in the middle of a come-down but the amount of vapor that's left is hardly enough to taste. Or in some cases I'm pretty sure it's lighter flame I'm tasting.

I've only gone over 50mg a couple times. 25mg is plenty. 50 is way different, especially the oev experiences. For me that much spice causes synaethia and oevs almost resembling cevs. Objects and entities and the most remarkable things.

25mg cevs are deep, and Imo far more prominant than 50mg cevs. (it just overloads and J open my eyes in a panic, this is where the real oev journey begins). Now oevs on 25-35mg dosages seem more like fuzzy shadowy fire, or candyland depending where I'm at in the journey.


Open eyed visuals of 50mg are substantial in the way the differ from a regular breakthrough dose. It is initially unpleasant but it feels like more of an emotional breakthrough is included with the experience. Also, on 50mg oevs you could not, ever, convince me I was in my bedroom.


75mg is another demon, I didn't have any blackouts, the onset was almost equal to the 50mg. Peak effects lasted for about 30 minutes before things very slowly went back to normal. This was pretty scary, because when you're used to being safe and sound in 5-10 minutes, things start to feel quite unnerving after 20 with no end in sight..

I eventually burst from hyperspace, there where (idk how to describe it) DMT things all over reality, it sucked. I tried talking to my friend about it, but I was wedged between 2 different realities, or more. I'd be laying on the sofa thinking to myseld "well then! I will certainly not be doing that again!) Yet I was sitting up talking to him. Also, I was standing scross the room talking to him. Then I'd find myself sitting in silence unsure of what to believe.

Should I close my eyes for even a moment, I'd find myself in hyperspace. Evenrually I would awaken back to reality unsure of how long I was gone for, but it definitely interrupted what I was telling my friend. (Lasted a moment, felt like I was gone for days, completely forgot about the conversation I was having as it was ancient history).

This experience wasn't a bad one. Nor was it a good one. It was absolutely an unpleasant and forboding one. 50mg to me seems perfectly alright for some people, after they've grounded with smaller incrementing doses.

You're free to 'gvg this' and 'gvg that' or yell at me for burning it all you'd like. Quite simply that isn't true. Nor is it acceptable to reiterate endlessly without ever being there yourself. Perhaps somebody similar may swing in and comment, I hope this clears up any confusion.

 

[Jees]

...50 mg...Nor is it acceptable to reiterate endlessly without ever being there yourself...

With my first pipe, no harsh taste (so no burning) and no fair detectable remnant left, thinking: a gvg cannot be that much better, impossible .... until I got a gvg myself. So yes you're right, first hand experience still beats any reiterating, and that goes also for the gvg. Practically: the gvg simply doubled the power of my old pipe.

Besides all that and in the end: there is still personal bio sensitivity to the molecules. Perhaps you're on a far side of that, needing more that the average to come to certain levels?
One hit, or multiple hits (and the time in between) makes also such an important difference.

Lots of factors are involved, enough to avoid "50mg" and "safe" in one sentence IMHO. Luckily it was good that you included the

...after they've grounded with smaller increment doses...

1ce, sorry but I really think of vaping tech and/or personal sensitivity issues that leads you to those massive doses (which they are!). To find that out: do you have fellow friends that share your particular vape style + doses and come to the same conclusions? I'm really not offensive, just trying to understand what makes you stand out so hard with the doses.

On a side note: I remember of a woman who needed a thenfold!!! of aya doses to get somewhere, this took a while, but as of late her sessions get too strong (finally), and now she can dose down to make it of any sense. These things happen too. Just sharing.

 

[1ce]

The gvg is a good pipe, I have one. I prefer my thickwalled steamroller though. I feel it's easier to pack the vapor in my lungs and it's not very easy to burn the spice either. And then when my lungs are just about there I can release the carb and pack the last little bit of vapor into a part of my lungs I didn't know existed. I'll flex my lungs like I'm going to cough and exhale through pursed lips. Both of those techniques open more alveoli in your lungs increasing absorption.

I know 50mg is a massive dose. And moments after hitting the pipe I feel how massive it is. I know you're only trying to understand, but the simple fact is on rare occasions I like to work up to that massive dose. It's different than a 25mg or even a heavier 35mg dose. It's not the same. It's terrifying, almost every time I feel like I just damn killed myself. But after this terror is an extremely euphoric and unique experience.

My tech is fine, I take the 50mg in 1 hit. For 50mg I'll use more ash than usual to slow down the heating. I enjoy the practice of it, it feels very ritualistic. Like a mental ceremony almost. I'll slowly heat and just as the vapor starts to come through I'll inhale from empty lungs, after exhaling the residual air from my lungs out of my nose. It's tricky with the higher doses, because it takes a bit longer to ger the thicker vapor since I put more ash than usual on top. So I have to inhale a bit extra as a result.

To answer the question of why I do it, the simplest answer is because I choose to. I've never had a jaw dropping journey from 50mg, thats territorial of 25-35. 50mg is different in it's own right. Perhaps my tolerance capacity is higher, I'm unsure. I can certainly feel 5-10mg QUITE fine.

 

[anrchy]

I feel, as much as is possible subjectively, that his account of a 50mg dose is accurate. I have dosed 50 in one hit with the gvg and yes i got it all. There are others on this forum that also dose large, some more often then 1ce does. You guys are beating a dead horse now, and derailing this thread. If you wish to continue conversation about 1ce's methods of administration please make a new thread or do it in chat.

 

[Jees]

Sorry anrchy but I find dosing and method of administration completely in line with duration (which is the topic of this thread), there I see no derailing. But I take the call for private chat in mind, thanks, also for your add on the 50 mg issue.

 

[anrchy]

But arguing about whether or not 1ce is doing it right IS derailment.

I have plans someday in the future to mix dmt with mushrooms. One way i have extended the trip was rolling joints of blue lotus and dmt. These can become very strong, even breakthrough, if you load enough and you just keep puffing away to jeep it going.

 

[Ryusaki]

Anybody smoked some Mapacho right before the DMT/Changa?

I can't say for sure if it increases the duration, but it definatly modulates the intensity.

I think my current favourite combination is:
Rue-tea and lemon-tek'd shrooms + mapacho and weed spliffs + damiana/blue lotus changa in the bonga.

 

[starway6]

Yeah I removed that bit yesterday. I thought the higher doses where more common among travelers. Also I'd never try 100mg. I rarely do 75. I believe my most destructive pride obliterating *-slap happened with about 35mg.

That was a lesson I'll never forget.

I guess the point I was trying to make to OP was that on a deep enough journey you don't need to make DMT last longer, -it already lasts a lifetime.

About my vaping device:
Also I'd like to point out: I'll put a other screen hovering over the spice not in direct contact) with a layer of ash above this. I havent burned spice in ages.

Ice where do you get those straight glass pipes?
I would love to find one..!

 

[1ce]

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It's called a steamroller, the one I got is the g-spot one. I liked the thickness of the glass.