MDMA vs natural psychs?

[jamie]

People mention mescaline a lot when this comes up..but remember there are othe phen analogues in cacti as well..some more closely related to MDMA than mescaline.

Ralph Metzner once said in a talk also, that he found low dose peyote to be a good MDMA replacement.

 

[joedirt]

The thing I like best about it is the assurance of a good time Not something I've experienced lately with psychedelics.

300mgs or less of mescaline and I pretty much guarantee that you have a great time unless outside circumstances intervene.

To be completely honest. The 8-10 times I've done Molly I've gotten sick and then had a clenching jaw. Yes I had some euphoria, but man it pales in comparison to mescaline. Mescaline is just damn near perfect...for an up and about psychedelic drug. It's right there with LSD and I wouldn't even try to pick a favorite. They are both just perfect the way they are IMHO.

I guess the only reason I'd consider taking MDMA over Mescaline is if I just didn't have 12 hours to set aside, but then if I didn't have 12 hours I probably wouldn't be doing any psychedelic.

Peace.

 

[christian]

I have been able to reproduce an MDMA like(but better) experience with some good quality cacao and a little bit of caapi.

Fascinating Jamie.

What amounts of quality cacao are we talking about. Do you mean raw cacao? This is of interest because it's legal as is caapi.

 

[mew]

benzyme is on the money

and as far as toxicity, dont worry be happy

i ate 5 grams of mesc hcl in a week no negative affects were known

 

[Korey]

MDMA is a special compound, I think it's use as a potential catalyst for introspection is underestimated and even ignored by many. I can go VERY deep with solely MDMA, if I allow myself to enter a trance like state and meditate on MDMA, the experience is quite deep and rewarding. Also, some people like to demonize MDMA due to possible neurotoxicity, but I don't see anything wrong with having an MDMA experience once or twice a year if the individual uses the drug wisely.

“MDMA, it was beginning to be apparent, could be all things to all people.”

 

[benzyme]

no doubt MDMA can be a useful tool, and may even be a deep experience in some aspects.
mescaline just happens to be an even deeper, enriching experience. many feel the same way.
just one of the cases where a naturally-found compound happens to offer more to the user.

 

[jamie]

what about lophophorine?

 

[benzyme]

can't comment on that, not sure if I've ever had it.
how's that one? based on the name, i assume it's from l.williamsii

 

[christian]

MDMA is a special compound, I think it's use as a potential catalyst for introspection is underestimated and even ignored by many.

Research seems to agree with that notion. It has been used sucessfully to treat PTSD, and probably has advantages over Mescaline. It's probably easier to work with, dose, and a damn site shorter duration, and is not a tough trip. Neurotoxicity is not really an issue the way it is used and even if it was, the potential benefits are in it's favour.

 

[benzyme]

MDMA certainly has a higher potential for abuse

 

[soulfood]

Just making sure I can read this chart correctly.

LSD is 0.001 at an active dose whereas 1 is the lethal dose?

 

[benzyme]

it's a ratio, active dose to lethal dose, which basically illustrates the margin between an active dose and a lethal dose

 

[soulfood]

So LSD 0.001:1?

 

[jamie]

can't comment on that, not sure if I've ever had it.
how's that one? based on the name, i assume it's from l.williamsii

Yeah it is an alkaloid in peyote..have not looked it up in a while but I think it is a phen precurser?..or maybe it is a phen..

I remember reading that shulgin found it to be empathogenic.

 

[Korey]

no doubt MDMA can be a useful tool, and may even be a deep experience in some aspects.
mescaline just happens to be an even deeper, enriching experience. many feel the same way.
just one of the cases where a naturally-found compound happens to offer more to the user.

Well I agree, I was just saying I think MDMA can be underestimated sometimes.

 

[Ice House]

Just a quick 2cents here. MDA has now all but replaced MDMA in my tribe. It just has a better more natural feel.

It comes from safrol wich, (chems correct me if I am wrong), comes from the sassafrass tree.

MDA is created through a very simple two step process. The color of the powder is an earthy brown color and the potency is amazing. I like the fact that, as a former meth adict, I dont get a speedy feeling from MDA.

MDA=floating on pink fluffy clouds that contain 100% love!

Is MDA a natural psych?

I highly reccomend it if you can get a hold of it.

MDA and Mushrooms......WoW!