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Mescaline extraction HELP!

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pete666 said:
Try STB I use next time, you might avoid emulsions entirely ...

Anyway, as far as it is eaten, it is ok. Do not strain anything, just do pulls. Be sure to have them clear, it goes directly for salting, so any bit of base leads to salts in the result. No problem for health, but screws purity/dosing and titration might give false results.
With dmt and my semi-tek it is much easier. I do HCl salting and then basification and hot pulls with heptane, so any salt is left behind. Here unfortunately not.
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So Im in the salting phase.. I followed the instructions but Ive apparently done something wrong because I cant raise the PH over 3. I got so frustrated so ended up adding nearly 1litr of H2O to the Toluene.:) I just put the vessel in the freezer now and thought that either something comes out of the water or I just trying over again tomorrow.

Any tips are highly welcome!:)
 
I am not sure I get it :/
Have you separated the toluene (clean) from the basic water?
Have you added distilled water to this separated toluene? (water:toluene ratio about 1:5)
Have you added suggested amount of acid(3%) for half of expected alkaloid amount?
Have you then heated the mixture to 60C and mixed thoroughly for few minutes?
Is then the pH so low (3)?
 
1. Yes
2. Yes at first but then added more water to increase the ph but did not work
3. yes
4. No didnt heat it
5. yes
 
H2O is neutral, so adding water will not rise the pH.

pH could be too low cause :
- you add too much acid
or
- There is not enough mescaline

The best, imho, is evap water, see how much mescaline and whatnot you get and then re-X
 
So when you added the distilled water to toluene (before you added more water), was the pH low?
Are you using pH papers?
What color was it, red?
How long have you mixed before measurement? If 20C water is used, it may take about 10min of proper mixing to update the pH
 
The water should turn basic in the presence of alkaloids. At least if distilled or de-ionised water is used.

I usually use nitrazine indicator (about 0.2 ml of 0.2% Nitrazine Yellow, accordning to an1cca's notes). The indicator immediately turns violet-blue showing high pH.

This worked for backsalting both DMT and mescaline.
 
Thanks for the replies guys! It really calms down the frustration:)

So now Im evaporating the water and doing new pulls with the toluene.

Ok so..

Do I first add the water to the toluene and then the acid? Or do I pre-mix the acid water and then adding it?

Again thanks, and thanks for the patience!
 
I would say it is not important, I always add the water, then the acid, then heat it and mix it.
In your case, I would suggest not adding acid, just the water, mix properly and measure pH. If acidic, then something is wrong. Likely no alkaloids. If basic, you can go for salting
 
Ok I added 200ml of water with just 5 drops of 35% HCI. Its down at ph 3. Does this means that there is no alkaloids?

Same cactus produces potent tea. And for this extraction over 1m of cactus was used. And it was in the base for 3 days before pulling.
 
endlessness said:
Make the acidic solution before mixing with the toluene :)
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Endlessness, The Mason´s will perform your ethanol dmt extraction again with 200g of MHRB. Anything particular you want them to try in the name of science?;)
 
Eaglepath said:
Ok I added 200ml of water with just 5 drops of 35% HCI. Its down at ph 3. Does this means that there is no alkaloids?
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I suggested dilution of the acid to 3,5%. Much easier to work with. You seem not have done that.
Nevermind, every gram of mescaline needs 10 drops of 35%. If 5 dops caused such pH drop after proper mixing, sorry there is not much alkaloids in there.
 
I did exactly as you said the first time, this time I just tried to add less. I see after the evaporation of the first pull of acid water and also this new one.

I have really difficulties accepting that there is no alkaloids due to same cactus again is highly active if making a tea.
 
Did you shake the hell out of it? You reallly need to be vigorous with the mixing for both the solvent extraction and the salting
 
antichode said:
Did you shake the hell out of it? You reallly need to be vigorous with the mixing for both the solvent extraction and the salting
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Im starting over and doing exactly this ATM in pure frustration!:)
 
antichode said:
Did you shake the hell out of it? You reallly need to be vigorous with the mixing for both the solvent extraction and the salting
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Right. Moreover, if STB is used, initial proper mixing of the base with the cactus is important too, especially when not using powder. This is why blender/mixer is suggested for this step.
 
Does this looks like impure mescaline to anyone?
 

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It may be. Is it the result of evaporation of first pull salting? How much is it?
You may test it by taste - is it bitter?
 
pete666 said:
It may be. Is it the result of evaporation of first pull salting? How much is it?
You may test it by taste - is it bitter?
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This is from the second salting.. The first one still evaps due to a lot of water used.

I did not weigh it nor taste it, just put it straight in the oven like you said.
 
drying in the oven will remove most of HCl. But it has to be powderized as much as possible, so it can escape
once dry, taste it, it should be bitter
if bitter, it may be weighed. Second pulls are giving me about 22% of total yield. First pulls 68%. Third 10%
 
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