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mescaline extractions with naptha
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Phantastica
Rising Star
can someone tell me what's so different about mesc fb than its salt form? it seems that fb is rather preferred for some reason..?
Also i don't understand howcome SWIY's mesc acetate was inactive if you followed ron's tek correctly, which i'm sure you did. If the yield was infact inactive, then doesn't that mean that the cactus used itself is inactive? And if the acetate form in the vinegar is inactive, then why do you expect it to become active when pulled with naptha? afaik, mesc activity doesn't change from its salt to fb form, right...or does it?
Also i don't understand howcome SWIY's mesc acetate was inactive if you followed ron's tek correctly, which i'm sure you did. If the yield was infact inactive, then doesn't that mean that the cactus used itself is inactive? And if the acetate form in the vinegar is inactive, then why do you expect it to become active when pulled with naptha? afaik, mesc activity doesn't change from its salt to fb form, right...or does it?
he used naptha.. ron uses limo I think.
Phantastica
Rising Star
hmm i thought shoe first followed ron's tek, and then instead of evaping the vinegar to yield mesc acetate, he pulled from the vinegar using naptha by first basifying the vinegar..and then evaped the naptha..:? not surefractal enchantment said:
shoe said:
Phantastica said:
really?
the results are always all over the place using this method.
if you read the thread where he lays it out, its one page of "this is the best, highest yeilding tek ever", and 49 pages of" whats going on, this isn't working, is it supposed to be ugly GOO??"
Just to clarify, everyone, both the result of straight 69Ron's food safe mescaline extraction, and my own permutation on this were inactive.
~frowny face~
1) made basic the cactus powder with calcium hydroxide and water
2) pulled alkaloids with limonene [x3]
3) collected the limonene layers
4) extracted the alkaloids from the limonene with vinegar [x4]
5) collected the vinegar washings
6) made the vinegar (containing mescaline acetate) basic with excess NaOH.
7) extracted the alkaloids (at the time, I thought, freebase mescaline) from the vinegar using naptha. [x4]
8] collected the naptha pulls
9) evaporated the naptha over 1 - 2 days to yeild the product shown above.
I hope that simplifies it.
Steps 1 - 5 are exactly as 69Ron's food safe mescaline extraction, but instead, at step 6, you would combine
the vinegar pulls and evaporate in a food dehydrator.
SWIM doesn't have food dehydrator, so intead he used an oven on Gas Mark 1: 300°F.
This is why SWIM didn't cash in on any mescaline acetate at the end of the day. (too hot, thermal decomposition)
I suspected (correctly) at the time, that the problem was with the final step, the evaporation, and so que the invention of the 'shoe method'
by the way; it does - mescaline freebase is alot lighter than the acetate. also, the salt form absorbs more easilly. So somewhere between those two factors you get your actual effective dose.
I really, really want to know what this stuff IS though. Can we get somone else with a bunch of cactus powder laying around to mess around with this? Instead of naptha, substitue diethyl ether or hexane or the likes. SWIM simply cannot fathom how a crystaline product from a cactus extract can be anything BUT alkaloid, and active, in nature: and the amounts which swim collected were perfectly in tune with what one would expect from 100g of cactus, 200-300mg per pull.
what the heck crystalises from a cactus B/A/B which isn't alkaloidal?
~frowny face~
The method I followed was as such:fractal enchantment said:
1) made basic the cactus powder with calcium hydroxide and water
2) pulled alkaloids with limonene [x3]
3) collected the limonene layers
4) extracted the alkaloids from the limonene with vinegar [x4]
5) collected the vinegar washings
6) made the vinegar (containing mescaline acetate) basic with excess NaOH.
7) extracted the alkaloids (at the time, I thought, freebase mescaline) from the vinegar using naptha. [x4]
8] collected the naptha pulls
9) evaporated the naptha over 1 - 2 days to yeild the product shown above.
I hope that simplifies it.
Steps 1 - 5 are exactly as 69Ron's food safe mescaline extraction, but instead, at step 6, you would combine
the vinegar pulls and evaporate in a food dehydrator.
dg said:
SWIM doesn't have food dehydrator, so intead he used an oven on Gas Mark 1: 300°F.
This is why SWIM didn't cash in on any mescaline acetate at the end of the day. (too hot, thermal decomposition)
Phantastica said:
I suspected (correctly) at the time, that the problem was with the final step, the evaporation, and so que the invention of the 'shoe method'
by the way; it does - mescaline freebase is alot lighter than the acetate. also, the salt form absorbs more easilly. So somewhere between those two factors you get your actual effective dose.
I really, really want to know what this stuff IS though. Can we get somone else with a bunch of cactus powder laying around to mess around with this? Instead of naptha, substitue diethyl ether or hexane or the likes. SWIM simply cannot fathom how a crystaline product from a cactus extract can be anything BUT alkaloid, and active, in nature: and the amounts which swim collected were perfectly in tune with what one would expect from 100g of cactus, 200-300mg per pull.
what the heck crystalises from a cactus B/A/B which isn't alkaloidal?
flame test for sodium?
mp test>?
dont throw all this away!
let materials back to dry out. once there is dry powder:
add to solution of water and LYE OR KOH
be sure the ph is around 13(rons tek uses too little base imho)
extract with xylene, or tolu(salting limo yeilds goo, just look at everyones results_)
salt with hcl
dry solution for crude mesc hcl
add crude extract to acetone, crash out goodies
your extract will be plenty "food safe", even if lye or hcl are in the mix.
ecxess hcl oxidixes awy
lye converts in the air to carbonate
just my o2
mp test>?
dont throw all this away!
let materials back to dry out. once there is dry powder:
add to solution of water and LYE OR KOH
be sure the ph is around 13(rons tek uses too little base imho)
extract with xylene, or tolu(salting limo yeilds goo, just look at everyones results_)
salt with hcl
dry solution for crude mesc hcl
add crude extract to acetone, crash out goodies
your extract will be plenty "food safe", even if lye or hcl are in the mix.
ecxess hcl oxidixes awy
lye converts in the air to carbonate
just my o2
dg said:
Are we sure about that? I extract using an A/B with NaOH/Limonene/Hcl and as long as I don't undershoot the pH when salting I get a nice scrapable powder.
soulfood said:
good point(me puts foot in mouth), i should say "salting limo with vinegar or citric acid"
even ron argued till he was blue in the face that this extract would turn to goo at very low temp, indicating massive amounts of something non mesc.
and i was mostly refering to rons tek here, which you are not using...still, my bad
Phantastica
Rising Star
ok i see shoe, that makes sense
can someone also tell me why mesc fb is better?Phantastica said:
dg said:
Does that not happen when salting xylene/toluene with vinegar then? I just assumed that mesc acetate salts were gooey. I never tried citrate.
Who said it's better??Phantastica said:
Phantastica
Rising Star
oh i thought fb was better than salt form because of the wide range of talks regarding this subject; but now i guess it's prolly just out of curiosity to know more about mesc's forms. however fb will turn into salt form anyway once ingested, so that's why i was confused about the fuss over fb, which doesn't seem very helpful, apart from understanding its propertiesInfundibulum said:
Indigo_Child
Rising Star
I just thought I would add that mescaline freebase is an oil. I could be wrong, but seems a few here are talking about it as if it was crystalline....
