Mescaline visuals

[w0mbat]

My friend just had a mescaline trip and liked it, but found that the visual imagery was rather mild, and was more mental imagery than actual visual imagery. Is there a way to make visuals stronger? He took about 500 mg of crude, unpurified mescaline HCl. Could purification increase the visuals, or does he need to take a higher dose? Or is he just not very sensitive to mescaline in this respect?

Also, he found that mescaline made him feel physically weak (almost like an old man), and induced a feeling of tightness in his muscles. Is this normal?

 

[endlessness]

mescaline isnt very visual. Higher doses will make it more visual, but still not as much compared to many of the other psychedelics. But in any case there's much more to mescaline than visuals. Each psychedelic has its characteristics, and thats one of mescaline.

I dont know if there's any admixture that would not influence the trip too much while enhancing the visuals.

 

[PlainCoil]

Mescaline in combination with even a small amount of LSD is extremely visual. The visuals are also far more detailed, interesting and easier to comprehend than with LSD alone.

 

[oetzi13]

That has been Swim's experience as well, and he liked it's very charming effects even though it had less visuals than others, so he was content with that.
On two occasion though he was tripping balls. One of them, he doesn't remember how much he ate, but probably 500mg pure+, in this case he could no longer see the sky because of all the stars.., the other adventure started with a tea of 40g B. caapi. plus Mesacalito hci, and a couple buttons. No need to get any higher than that 8)
And don't forget, the best aid to tripping is to have no expectation at all, that is one sure way that will kill off all those beautiful subtle effects. Especially Mescalito; he's a trickster and can creep up on you in unfathomable ways, but that depends mostly on his mood, not on yours.. Keep at it, and find out yourself.
Good luck and safe travels!

 

[69ron]

If the visuals are lacking, SWIM will add 2-5 Datura stramonium seeds. That increases the visuals very nicely. Another option is to add a little elemi oil to the trip (0.5-1 ml), but that alters the trip quite a bit (also makes it much stronger).

 

[soulfood]

I found a dose of 350mg thoroughly washed Mesc Hcl to be very visual. I also think the visuals were the most intricate I have ever seen.

Caffeine helps IME to get the psychedelic effects of psychedelics to be more psychedelic. Also datura s. theobromine etc.

 

[Virola78]

Last time on 350mg washed mesc-hcl i was seeing the very familiar 'layer of fractals' that i usually see during a mushroomtrip. But instead of hovering above or emerging from a surface, on mescaline the same common fernlike fractals were being projected 'flat' on the surface (the ceiling in this case). Also the perception of depth was very different on mescaline. At times there were new surface/space somehow going into the surface (ceiling) i was looking at. The fractals would emerge 2d like on these planes. Pink, purple and different tones of blue.

With eyes closed i could see beautiful caleidoscopic visuals that stay flat most of the time but during the peak give me a spatial feeling and form tunnels. Some sort of 'push' could be felt at moments, somewhat different from the 'pull' that i feel on mushrooms. But definitely a feeling of movement (while consciousness is shifting, going deeper into trance.)

So far im thinking it is the same inner world im experiencing on both mushrooms and mescaline. Even the visions are somwhat the same. Only the messenger appears to be different in caracter. And both i like very much :d

Im wondering what happens when i take 500mg washed mesc-hcl.. And also wondering what dmt will be like...

 

[dg]

My friend just had a mescaline trip and liked it, but found that the visual imagery was rather mild, and was more mental imagery than actual visual imagery. Is there a way to make visuals stronger? He took about 500 mg of crude, unpurified mescaline HCl. Could purification increase the visuals, or does he need to take a higher dose? Or is he just not very sensitive to mescaline in this respect?

Also, he found that mescaline made him feel physically weak (almost like an old man), and induced a feeling of tightness in his muscles. Is this normal?

purification wont increase visuals, increasing dose to 650 or 750 will likely do the trick, be aware, this is a very long, intense trip..

i find 4-500mg a nice mildly visual dose

mescaline makes me feel like super man, i hike or swim all day, party all night.
not sure why such a stimulating substance would zap your strength, maybe sedating alkaloids from the cacti?-ie maybe not all of it was mescaline, which might have effected the mild visuals also....i wonder

 

[futura]

He took about 500 mg of crude, unpurified mescaline HCl.

Also, he found that mescaline made him feel physically weak (almost like an old man), and induced a feeling of tightness in his muscles. Is this normal?

I think it was the "Other Alkaloids" in the "crude, unpurified mescaline HCl" that lead to the "weak feelings and muscle tightness"

The "Other Cactus Alkaloids" tend to give a very strong Body Load as you described...

A good clean-up(Two Freezing Cold ANHYDROUS Acetone washes and one Freezing Cold ANHYDROUS IPA Wash shopuld clean it up nicely and provide a more Clean LSD Like Experience(However you can lose up to 60-75% of the crude starting weight by doing the clean-up but if you dont want any Body Load its well worth it)

You will lose more weight if you used Pedro(about 60%) then if you used Torch(about 30%) as your starting point as Pedro seems to have a lot more Non-Mesc Alkaloids in it...

Also make sure your HCL water is about PH 6.0 and no lower(After mixing with Limo or Xylene) or you will pull more non-mesc alkaloids as well...

 

[dg]

lose up to 60-75% of the crude starting weight by doing the clean-up but if you dont want any Body Load its well worth it)

You will lose more weight if you used Pedro(about 60%) then if you used Torch(about 30%) as your starting point as Pedro seems to have a lot more Non-Mesc Alkaloids in it...

Also make sure your HCL water is about PH 6.0 and no lower(After mixing with Limo or Xylene) or you will pull more non-mesc alkaloids as well...

either something wrong with the cleaning process, or original salting process if you lose 60-70% during clean-up.
back when i used hcl/ crude evap, then washing it was 15-25% no matter what cacti was used...

i agree with the ph 6 for titration. you actually seem to pull 95%+ out, even though the math would suggest otherwise
actually, do one wash, titrate to ph 7
do second wash with plain water-in my case the tap is ph 6.5- and it pulls all the mescaline ime.
meaning, 3rd wash titrating to ph 4 yeilded nothing of measure but non bitter gunk

 

[dragon-n]

i know, i had high expectations about mescaline visuals too.
it's just not a very visual compound i find.
by the time i'm getting visuals i'm so high out of my mind that i can't even keep my eyes open to enjoy them!!
the "content" is the true secret to mescaline. it has a crystal clear voice of absolute wisdom and is so benign and comforting.
this, indeed, is mescaline's true gift to mankind.
a whopping overdose of pedro produced almost no visuals whatsoever. (equivilent to 1 to 1 1/2 GRAMS mescaline)
solid overdose of torch (equivilent of about 800 mgs. mescaline) produced ASTOUNDING open eye visuals but i was buzzing so hard that i couldn't even see what was going on!
the other alkaloids in pedro undoubtably suppress visual activity. i am sure of this.
try torch or purified mescaline and you're more apt to experience the visionary aspect.
combining caapi with 200 mgs. mescaline produced far more visual input than mescaline or caapi alone would ever give.
actually i combined caapi, datura seeds, and mescaline now that i think about it so i was taking 69ron's advice!!!!

 

[kemist]

Harmaline enhancing mescaline visuals a lot for Ilpt

ILPT once had 120 mg of extracted freebase harmalas (mostly harmaline) as a sleep aid in the evening , then woke up after 10 hours and ingest 200 mgs of washed peruvianus extracted mescaline and have visuals like on 350 mgs of the same washed mescaline a week ago.

Other time he had < 40 mg of the same harmalas and 150mg of the same washed m. with good results again.
Patterns were more swirly and deeper in colour but there was also deal of mental confusion.

THH.HCl didn`t added more then little bit to the visuals, but brought good body buzz and mind clarity


However visuals after peak fading quickly and ILPT ofter resurecting them with some good gram of dried shrooms or about 7 grams of defrosted truffles eaten and the if needed he`ll boost it with some strong ayahuasca extract sublingually.

 

[bufoman]

The claims of MAOI's enhancing visuals are interesting. In the literature and in SWIMs experience personally and with close friends harmine and harmaline taken alone decrease the visuals of smoked DMT. There also exist reports in the literature of several MAOI's decreasing the effects of LSD and DMT especially the visuals. Not sure about mescaline? If anyone is interested I can post the name of a review that can be found on erowid article database. Jonathan Ott has also talked about this in that he said people mistake "activation" of oral DMT by MAOIs with "potentiation". Thus the MAOIs actually decrease the intensity of the experience and alter it in their own way. However it may depend on the drug taken as in the harmaline sec of tihkal Shulgin reports potentiation of mescaline with harmaline.

Also THH definitely potentiates the visuals of DMT especially in combination with MAOIs but also alone to dome degree. I think many people on here will back this statement up. It is interesting how it overrides the visual attenuating effects of harmine and harmaline. I wonder what THH would do to a non-visual hallucinogen like 5-MeO-DMT ? THH may thus play an important role in ayahuasca. Still one can still get strong visuals off of DMT if enough is ingested. Therefore the effects may very likely depend on the specific MAOI taken... as well as the hallucinogen. I am not aware of any studies of MAOI on mescaline aside from Shulgin's reports I will take a closer look at them.

SWIM found mescaline to be visual maybe not as intense as some other drugs but still significant and equivalent or more so than as 2C-Xs. I suspect everyone is different in this regard. Also with psilocin and DMT SWIM has had trips that were very visual and others that were mostly psychological with minimal visuals. Thus one needs to take a compound many times in the same setting to fully understand its effects.

 

[w0mbat]

If anyone is interested I can post the name of a review that can be found on erowid article database.

I for one would like to take a look

 

[Apoc]

Bufoman, why would maoi's decrease the visuals of dmt?

 

[narmz]

The reason you feel weak is because it was un-clean. SWIM felt the same way with un-clean hcl, but once he got into cleaning up his mesc, it was a whole different ballpark, 400mg of very clean mesk is very visual.

 

[○]

My experiences are pretty much all torch. Have done brew after brew after brew although I do like the occasional acetate.

But typically i'll do 30g brewed 3x for 2-1/2-3 hours per soak. Decant, let sit overnight, filter in morning, reduce n' drink.

The first hour usually comes up pretty quick with moderate stimulation followed by in the next 40 minutes or so some color enhancment quality, almost as if you could see things in a higher definition..then well thats what they'd look like...Absolutely beautiful..

And shortly following that the ebbs n flows off of everything outdoors..very soft patterning...multi colored...not overwhelming at all.

Indoors though it's more prevailant for me...the visuals really come out n' through everything... So soft..so gentle..but sooo impressive.

Closed eye they seem to be very intricate blues/violets/greens.. Emerald spikes and fractald jewels encrusted in dancing webs.

 

[Phlux-]

im afraid i have to disagree with lots of members here.
mescaline is super duper visual - very much so - if its not ur dose is too low.
not just incredible oevs and cevs but visions too.

 

[Infundibulum]

im afraid i have to disagree with lots of members here.
mescaline is super duper visual - very much so - if its not ur dose is too low.
not just incredible oevs and cevs but visions too.

That is SWIM's understanding. If visuals are not good then the dose was poor (and pretty much unworthy for SWIM's taste)

 

[corridors of my cells]

I ate cacti powder 2 times and it didnt do much to me on both times to be honest. My second time was total crap because i puked out everything after 20mins i ate it.

But my first time i smoked some legal smoking mix which contains jwh and i noticed the slight visuals or visual distortions on the wall.. just like the start of an acid trip. So i think that proves PlainCoil's point here. may be a little bit of shrooms of lsd might help getting it visualized.

However like few years ago some drug ppl that i knew was talkin about mescaline to be one of the most visual psychedelics. But regarding to reports i have heard from nexians it looks like it has a very weak visuals when taken alone.

Feeling physically weak is the characteristic for most of the psychedelics. At least that is the way they work on me. I always feel that i become temporarily old, weak, exhausted and fragile for a while. But that doesn't happen for the whole time of a trip, as u know most psychedelic trips are fluctuating.