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MHRB fantasies dispelled, not growing in a fertile jungle in Brazil

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davesplays

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Well Nexians, we all may I think have visions of tall thick jungle forests limited light coming down from a 150 foot tall canopy and vines everywhere monkeys in the trees.

Regarding ayahuasca Cappi and Chacruna yeah buddy that's probably true.

Your traditional Brazilian Mimosa Hostilis is however growing in a whole other extreme condition.

From what I am learning it's the most unimaginably dry arid inhospitable place to try to live or grow pretty much anything.

When we think of Brazilian climatic regions we think of the Patanal maybe or several others.

I think very few know anything of the place where your Brazilian Mimosa Hostilis grows, it is called the Caatingas.

See this link:

Caatinga - Wikipedia
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Caatinga - Wikipedia

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Caatinga is a type of desert vegetation, and an ecoregion characterized by this vegetation in interior northeastern Brazil. The name "Caatinga" is a Tupi word ...
Area‎: ‎850,000 km2 (328,187 sq mi) Country‎: ‎Brazil
River‎: ‎São Francisco River Part of‎: ‎South America


Its insanely dry and arid!

I was like in bed sleeping last october and hear on PBS, and bolt up and am like "FARKING A THIS IS AN AREA I HAVE READ ABOUT!", but only by name not having actually traveled there.

Recife Pernambuco Brazil

and then watched to my delight!

You can too free but must join intheamericas.org which is free to view it.

308 – Pernambuco: Brazil's Other Carnival - In The Americas with ...
intheamericas.org/works/308-pernambuco-brazils-other-carnival/
The Brazilian state of Pernambuco, about the size of Maine, is home to the megapolis of Recife, Brazil's fifth largest city and home to more than 5 ...

Anyway this was really delightful to see MH's home ground!

Hope you enjoy too as well! :thumb_up:
 
Its a bit of a conundrum it would seem that Mimosa Hostilis growing in the arid nutrient depleted Caatingas of North Eastern Brazil would not have Good Content.

One can clearly see that The Arid South American Trees have thick inner root bark in some instances we see pictures and examples of inner root Bark from Brazil with pieces that have been whittled with a knife to extreme cleanliness to be 1/2" inch or more thick.

I surmise that trees growing under such acute environmental conditions are stressed and producing high levels of alkaloids and tannins to build this layer in both the roots and trunk bark.

It would seem to afford the trees a defense mechanism from predation by insects, bacterias and fungus in the soil and maybe even a way to better retain limited water.

I have personally seen that trees growing from Southern Mexico, through all of Central America and into Columbia and Ecuador are also often growing in Arid Regions for much of the year but receive seasonal rains for a greater duration, and the often Volcanic soils seem to offer much better nutrients.

What is strange is the Central American Varietals, often referred to as Acacia Tenuiflora or A. Tenuifolia have a inner root bark layer that's usually about .25 inches thick. It is often difficult if not impossible to fully separate the outer root bark from the inner fully due to it being thin.

It would then seem based on potency on thick pure very well cleaned inner root bark from Brazil coming that the much thinner Central American Examples are producing by weight volume much higher alkaloid percentages to be able to meet or in some instances exceed potency from Brazil.

Now I have personally seen trees in Central America growing in areas I don't believe that it was historically native in and to. It was seemingly picked up ( the seeds ) on cattles hooves and ended up migrating from arid slopes to fertile river sides in much more jungle rain forest like areas.

I noticed while taking the samples that there was a color shift from pink or reddish to muave purple morado and that these trees had grown much much larger under these fertile wet conditions.

Some of the examples I looked at the old growth trees with huge roots an average tree might be 1-4 inches a huge tree to 5-9 inches were dark, dark purple and were oozing dripping purple sticky juice.

When I got done working with this seemingly insanely potent riverside trees and took off my jeans they stood up from sap as if schellacked, my hook knife I sat down was glued to the table top.

So are Mimosa Hostilis and Acacia Tenuiflora 100% genetically the same, or are the differences just a result of the environment they are growing in?

I wish I had a friend in Brazil whom might try growing a seedling taken from the Cattingas of Brazil to a different region there that was both wet and fertile to see what the inner root bark layer grew like as to both color and thickness.
 
I've seen trees referred to as Jurema (by Westerners, not locals) growing in tropical, jungle-like parts of Costa Rica and being used to make Ayahuasca with (in combination with B. caapi), even on a somewhat large scale, and have personally partaken of it with good results. I don't know if it was a South American or Central American variety / species and how thick the bark was, but you can certainly grow it in tropical climates for that purpose.
 
Well unless transplanted and invasive Costa Rican trees are Central American.

I am wondering if the trees growing under wet fertile conditions don't seemingly need to invest as much energy into building a thicker layer than those in dry desert like conditions?
 
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