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Mimosa in "all about Aya <3"

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I found this info for you on the internet:
For mimo 100% cold process all the way and just enough water so no evaporation is needed.
I used to heat-evap the tea completely to powder, but the cold tec has a (subjective) advantage somehow in the experience with the yuremamine and what else still intact, unharmed by absence of heat.
Wikipedia said:
Yuremamine is a phytoindole alkaloid which was isolated and identified from the bark of Mimosa tenuiflora in 2005. It may explain the oral psychoactivity of traditional preparations from Mimosa tenuiflora, which also contains DMT.

As a pure compound, yuremamine is a purple amorphous solid. It represents an entirely new family of indole derivatives. This compound contains dimethyltryptamine within its molecular structure. Perhaps yuremamine acts as an MAOI, being metabolically protected itself through intra-molecular hydrogen bonding of its tertiary amine, or perhaps yuremamine acts as a prodrug and releases DMT closer to its site of action...
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Distilled water (200 ml) + some drops phosphoric acid to pH 3.
Add 20 gr mimo (very fine powdered), soak minimum 4 days to 1 week, shake few times a day, pH is now 3.3 to 3.5.
Steeping period can be done in fridge no problem, that makes less bulk in the tea, but intuition calls for room temp.
Coffee filter til run trough, then chasing the mark with tads of distilled water to flush remaining actives out the mark into the tea, so to end with 250 ml tea of 20 gr mimo.
(one can opt for several cold washes but for now just one, also to keep the water volume down to prevent reducing/evaping temps)

Suppose a 5 gr tea is aimed, 1/4 of 250 ml = 62.5 ml is measured.
At this pH (3.3 to 3.5) it is quite drinkable (cola is pH 2.8 of same acid).
So one could do maoi and later doing the mimo if wished.

But one can trow in the minimum 400 mg vine extract at this stage already so it dissolves to a great extend under this pH (and max lukewarm temp) which now rises to 5.5 , it is my uncut superstition that the actives are now better absorbed this way and/or have other advantages in the tract. True?
Yummy time :p , minimizing palate by use of your favorite straw.

The oiled rice trick:
chase with 5 to 10 eating (soup) spoons of oiled rice. Mimo is kind of having a de-greasing/stagnant effect on the tissues (the tannins doing?), the oiled rice seems to make up for that, restoring peristaltic flow or whatever happens in there.

After Tea+1.5 hours, again 5 to 10 spoons of the oiled chinese wonder.

After Tea+2 hours "weird effects" 😉 of dye-ing the internals set in.

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One can boil the rice far in advance and have it cold, no problem, just be scarce on salt.
So far the oiled rice trick (like adding 1 soup spoon oil and mixing it in 5 spoons of already boiled rice) lend to not one single trace of nausea or stomach discomfort, even no purge, but more tests have to be done. Had wholesome rice so far (lots of fibers) and peanut oil, should check out how things are with fast boiling rice (less fibers) and other oils like sunflower oil or (vegetarian?) butter, but the peanut oil taste just great on rice. Also tests in comb with rue have to come later, as rue makes more stomach/body load. Perhaps people can contribute and report, much appreciated.
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Jees bro, or sister,

you put so much important info that we should make a new thread with all this. You did a good job in writhing and made it all crystal clear.

Yet I have a question, I read that decanting mimosa is a must. What is your take on it?

thanx
Jox
 
Info found on the internet:
When the mimo mark is exhausted, whether boiled or cold tec, no use to ingest it, thus decant.

In the cold tec, when the mimo mark had his water flush in the coffee filter, it becomes 100% tasteless. This is no proof that everything is out, but this is where I draw the line on an intuitive base. One could eat the mark but I hardly believe it is worth the effort/discomfort in relation to whatever tiny % is gained.

The coffee filter is the decant in the cold-tec.

Something was noticed though: if the steep period + shaking is done in room temp, and the crystal clear filtered tea is stored for days in the fridge, some notable sediment forms. Is that actives or worthless plant bulk that just coagulated? To decant that or not? Stirring it all around this clouded the tea that was previously very clear. Considered that it is only plant bulk, ingesting this tiny amount is no big deal at all, so went for not decanting this formed sediment.

Now when the steeping period was done at fridge temps, and the coffee filtering too, then likely this would all have been removed by the paper filter. I find it hard to believe that potency would be less this way.

I could only see 1 reason to not decant: when the extraction of the powder has been done very incomplete or not at all, then the extraction would have to happen in the belly itself.

It is common practices for cacti powder to ingest, but mimo I resign happily for the body discomforts it might induce.

I've read a report of someone ingesting vine powder, seemed very effective in terms of activation, but a massive hell of hardware discomforts getting the powder trough.

The voyages are hard enough on it's own for not bothering with useless body loads, so my take is get the actives out the material and into the liquids and decant/filter the mark as a general rule of neat practices.
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jamie said:
^ Most people who just drink 12g of mimosa like that would flip their shit.
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Lol.... My first ever 'drug' experience beyond a bit of booze and a couple puffs of weed was a 10g mimosa tea and I did indeed "flip my shit" :)

My trip report for that was here:


I had a pretty valid newbie excuse for the crazy high first ever dose. I thought my powdered mimosa was bad. I read that mimosa was active without maoi in 25-30g cold water extract. I tried it and it was 100% non active. My mhrb was also over a year old. I thought it was junk so tried 2x a strong dose.. 10g 3x30min boils w/ acid. :shock: :cry: :shock:

Took me a while to sort out that insane trip and I barely found the courage to ever touch dmt again.
 
Hi Jees,

one more question. I will do as you recommend the cold mimo extraction. I just got 75% phosphoric acid. My question is how to get it to be ph 3 as you mention. I don't have the ph indicators.

thank you
Jox
 
on Wikipedia I found this:

[A] (mol/L) pH H3PO4]/[A] (%)
1 1.08 91.7
10−1 1.62 76.1
10−2 2.25 43.1
10-3 3.05 10.6

So in plain english it should be 1ml of 91% acid is ph 1, so ph 3 is 3ml of acid + 30 ml of H20. Am I correct?

Jox

ps. I couldn't do the rows, so I made blue ph, and the first row is A and las %, I think it is clear this way.
 
Well I'm no chemist either, but 3 ml E338 in 30 ml water is tooooo much.:shock:
All I know is that it takes like only 4 drops in 200 ml water. (my acid is 85%)
 
First some stupid calculations, please chemists chime in to correct if necessary.

1 mol of pure E338 acid weight 98 grams (plain data)

Ph 3 = 0.001 mol/liter (as you said) = 0.098 gram pure acid/liter

0.098 gram pure acid makes 1 liter pH 3

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my 85% bottle says 1710 gram/liter
so in 1 liter is 1710*0.85 = 1453.5 gram pure acid/liter

From these 1453.5 grams we need only 0.098 grams to make 1 liter ph3
This correspond with 0.098/1453.5=0.00006742 liter or 0.06742 ml

So we need 0.06742 ml of my 85% bottle to make 1 liter ph3
So we need 1/5 th to make 200 ml ph3
0.06742/5 = 0.01348 ml of my 85% to make 200 ml ph3

I have very accurate syringe with 0.01 resolution scale, and this
0.01348 could correspond to 1 drop in 200ml

Indeed 1 drop of my 85% bottle in 200 ml gave ph 3.25
but beware my pH pen is not pro.

2 drops said ph 3

if I were you (and me :d ), just settle with 10 drops in 1 liter demi water and you'll be quite close to 3
Or 2 drops per 200 ml.

If you start with tap water, things can differ a lot, I can only speak for distilled or demineralized water.

Note that cocacola is ph 2.7 - 2.8 from same acid, so you're safe.

Hope this helps.
 
Hi Jees,

you are the BEST!!!

I still have to calculate some more since I have 75% acid. But you gave me a lots to work with.

I will see what kind of syringe I can get, diabetic one may do... I'll see.


thanx
Jox
 
75% is a clue on its own, but if you want to calculate for the sake of it then we need the density too, how much weight 1 liter of your 75% bottle?

Strange thing is that on my bottle 85% (pro analyse, highest grade possible) they say 1 liter is 1710 gr, and in wikipedia they say 85% is 1685 grams, a 25 grams difference. Most data on internet say 1700 gr/liter. All measured at different temperatures?

Anyway you will end up in such small doses that if you really want it to measure it is best to make 1 liter at least, like in my case 0.06742 ml acid, say 0.07. (James Bond?)

All in all this numbers & calculation is just fancy caprice, or a confirmation for comfort of heart, in reality it's just some drops and job done, no matter 75% or 85% 😉

There was one case though here at nexus, a guy overdoing the H3PO4 way too much, and ended in hospital, no permanent damage but not happy times to say the least. I think he made his brew too acid, then reducing/evaping the volume down, the acid got concentrated by that action. Vinegar damps off partly during boiling-reducing, but H3PO4 not like that.

If one is a bit wary of acid end result, trow in a pinch of sodium bicarbonate before gulping the tea, it might make some flakes but who cares about that.
 
Hi carnal* Jees,

i just DID IT:

1. 20** g of mimosa tepezcohuite (here in Mexico)
2. 200ml of distilled water
3. 4 x 0,01ml of 75% of H3PO4, insulin diabetic syringe.
4. will soak it for 5 days.
5. At the end I will put some baking soda to neutralize extra acid.

I hope I did it right.:?, any objections?

* carnal is street Spanish for buddy, friend of importance, or close family member.... just some linguistic sidetracking.

hopeful
Jox

** ps. Actually, I first had 12g of mimosa, but after writing this post, kind of reread your previous posts and realized that you were referring to 20g, then I added it up, and now it is much ticker... wonder if it were better more liquid and less mimosa?
 
Hey Jees,

one more thing. Room temp or fridge? The acid is not too strong, will this spoil it after 5 days? I am in Mexico and it is arround 24C to 28C, not too hot, but still?

Jox
 
Hi all,

Jees here is how my trip went.

Carnal Shaman, you f**ed me up. I was praying to you that all will go well...lol...


BUT on the technical side it is not clear to me.

first man experience:
500mg of Caapi extract of 50g Caapi
50ml of MHRB which had 5g of plant.

Since it was first time, I was giving it to my husband:
first 10ml 30 minutes after the Caapi.

Then 10ml, and every 15 minutes 20 ml more, up to giving him the all 50. NOTHING HAPPENED. He had no reaction whatsoever????

My experience:
I just did it yesterday, and as you can see it f**ed me up. I don't know what # trip I should call it, maybe 3, since the visuals were not clear most of the time. I took mimo in one gulp, 30 minutes after Caapi...

Should it be rule to take it all at once?

The reason I was dosing it was that it war recommended to take only 2 g of cooked mimo? So I figured I better be safe on this one, but it kind of confuses me:

- is you tek weaker then the cooked version? It makes no sense that my husband had absolutely no effect, and I had the total madness?

JOx
 
this is pretty normal actaully. I have personally seen people drink 3x what I need for a solid dose just for them to get light visions for an hour. This is talked about often in ayahuasca circles.

Also people have commented before that the same dose that did almost nothing one night has floored them the next night. It is weird that way.
 
I've not boiled mimo myself so I cannot compare personally, but the phosphoric cold water tec has been reported to be very strong by people who were familiar to both tecs. Just saying.
 
my opinion is usually that it is the harmala dose that needs to be raised if a person feels nothing. They should at least feel something from the harmalas even without the DMT if the dose is adequate.
 
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