Mimosa (Jurema) vs Chaliponga vs Acacia

[maranello551]

Hello My Fellow Nexians!

I am Quite a fan of the way chaliponga and Acacia have been treating me lately...I am a relatively long time dreamer of both master plants....I am thinking of venturing into the realm of Jurema.....

In which ways do you find mimosa to differ in feel from the two plants I have been in contact with?

Please present your experiences with the plants you have been working with, if you've experience with two or more of these plants....I would appreciate it you would provide a brief description of what is evoked by each of those two or more plants.....

Acacia and Chaliponga seem to be quite similar in potency and I hear Jurema is not far removed from that theme......

For those with experience with all three of them:

1. If you had to pick one of these thee to use exclusively forever, which would you choose, and why.

2. If you had to pick two to combine forever, which of the two would you select, and what do you find that alchemy to inspire?



Much Love,

M.

 

[Jees]

Its hard for me to break trough on pharma, but mimo is best candidate for such.
The other 2 keep things more grounded, which is very welcome for therapeutic work.
But in the end, anything can happen

If I had to choose, chali, mostly b/c sustainability due leaves.
Never mixed enough to say one about that.

 

[maranello551]

Its hard for me to break trough on pharma, but mimo is best candidate for such.
The other 2 keep things more grounded, which is very welcome for therapeutic work.
But in the end, anything can happen

If I had to choose, chali, mostly b/c sustainability due leaves.
Never mixed enough to say one about that.

I take it then that you find the effects of Chali and acacia to be fairly similar, as I do?

 

[Jees]

...I take it then that you find the effects of Chali and acacia to be fairly similar, as I do?

Maybe. Acacia is long time ago, still have some in the drawer, I better have an update on its vibe before making statements in comparison to chali. But the fact that mimo takes a distance from them both, makes them both allies on that behalf already.

 

[maranello551]

But the fact that mimo takes a distance from them both, makes them both allies on that behalf already.

Could you expound on this, please?

Allies to you or to each other?

So you don't like mimosa?

 

[Jees]

As I said before, I find acacia and chali both more grounded, it makes them allies in that regard, that's how I meant it.
I like them all, really. For each have characteristic to be respected in its own right.
Comparing is out of the question for me, and also what I like to suggest to you

 

[maranello551]

As I said before, I find acacia and chali both more grounded, it makes them allies in that regard, that's how I meant it.
I like them all, really. For each have characteristic to be respected in its own right.
Comparing is out of the question for me, and also what I like to suggest to you

My "more grounded", you don't mean "not strong enough to get me where mimosa does", do you?

At equal intensity, what does "more grounded" mean? :?

The reason I am asking is because, I've quite a lot of acacia, and would like to begin my journey with mixing light plants.......

I've been working with Chaliponga and like it quite a lot, and for convenience's sake, quite a lot more than Chacruna, I feel it would be inefficient, however, to begin mixing light plants without giving the third light plant in the trinity of potent ones a shot. I feel I would only then get a better idea as to which ones would be the best candidates.

I hear mixed opinions.....

Some say Acacia is most different in feel due to the NMT content....

Others say Chaliponga is by far the strangest due to it feeling like it has 5-meo in it feeling very dark (something I disagree with wholeheartedly)

Others yet claim Jurema is the most far detached from the rest, claiming it is unforgiving and others saying it feels like mushrooms, or the most like extracted light.....

What I personally feel:

I struggle to determine for sure if there is actually difference in the feel of these plants......it could just be that I am at a different point on my journey every time I ingest the sacraments and I get that which DMT feels/knows I need in that moment, and I naïvely attribute the differences to the plants rather than to the fact that I was simply in need of new lessons which DMT consequently caused to manifest through whichever light plant I ingested at the time.

If this is actually the case, then the smart thing to do is simply acquire the most potent light plant for the cost......

Mushrooms are the only "light "plant"" I consider to feel significantly different from the others in a clearly non-placebo way.


The minor differences I do feel between acacia and chaliponga are these:



Acacia feels slightly more euphoric than chaliponga

Acacia is more forgiving and has no problem blessing the user with a complementary (which is not to say "useless") "light show"...

Chaliponga feels a bit more "occult"/complex/witchlike

Chaliponga lasts %20-%40 longer

Chaliponga induces less colorful, more "medieval?" color schemes.....rainy day colors but amped up to the "light level"....no less bright, just less color contrast....far less purples and blues.....more greens, grays.....

Chaliponga feels more earthy and less extraterrestrial.....while acacia makes alien contact feel likely, chaliponga makes plant and animal communication feel more appropriate.....................................................................................................Acacia feels like happy digital alien electric energy......chaliponga feels like drippy, viney, wet (the visuals'colors tend to bleed more than acacia's....like stained-glass/water-color visuals)........yes....acacia feels like the world is turning into a bright, buzzing electric crystal of color - a geometric crystal temple.....chaliponga feels as if the world is becoming an attenuated-hue water-color painting....a piece of stained glass art in a gothic cathedral, depicting scenes of a floric and faunic Godhead.




Now for mimosa.....I will soon uncover that which It is willing to offer me....

I will then decide accordingly which of the three to combine, unless I find the mimosa experience to be so great that I would deem it tainted by combination.....

I will be taking it with rue as it's all I can consistently afford in quantity.

I will first try a regular 20g mimosa brew (my regular acacia dose), with ~2.5-4g of rue.

I will then compare it with a 20g Cold Water mimosa brew with a similar amount of rue.

Wish me luck.

M.

 

[BundleflowerPower]

In my experience, mimosa and acacia are similar, but mimosa seems heavier, and darker, it allowed me to go deeper within myself, while acacia is like a cosmic experience. and imo, chaliponga is in a catagory of its own. There's less sharp visions, but more feeling, and for me it's been about feeling oneness. Chaliponga seems to dissolve the ego the best out of three in my experience.

But I love them all, and if I were you, I'd try them all, and see for yourself. Much love

 

[BundleflowerPower]

For each have characteristic to be respected in its own right.
:

Nailed it

 

[Jees]

Maranello please do NOT take 20 gr mimo :shock: because you can have 20 gr acacia.
Only failing brews or too less maoi come to such values.
Or when the wood was too big shreds.

My reasoning, open for critics:
Your 20 gr acacia is give or take 50% nn dmt and 50% nmt.
The nmt is not overly "strong" on its own, as I read of it.
The nmt will modulate the nn dmt down.
So 20 gr acacia could be even more do-able than 10 gr mimo, because with mimo there is no element to modulate the nn dmt down whatsoever.

If you are accustomed to drink 20 acacia, then I would suggest to start mimo with 7 gr, and see from there. Just thinking about safety.

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In your post I think you describe very well the different effects, good job.
And you have described also what I meant with "grounded", more earthly, less alien, slower,...

But then I wonder why still consider this:

I struggle to determine for sure if there is actually difference in the feel of these plants.....

I think they differ for real, other components in da brain --> something gotta give.

For me it is not a strength competition between them, and then choosing the strongest one because it scores better, not so in my book.
Acacia I must re-visit soon, but can attest that 10 gr chali takes me deep into her realm where asking questions like "How deep is this compared to..." is completely useless.

Thx BFP for sharing your notion how they compare, I can relate.

 

[ganesh]

People also must be aware that some Acacia is very weak. Rumour has it that trunk bark is being sold as root bark. This might explain why some people can drink 20g of it.

 

[maranello551]

People also must be aware that some Acacia is very weak. Rumour has it that trunk bark is being sold as root bark. This might explain why some people can drink 20g of it.

I've had both weak and strong acacia.....the 20g dose was referring to root bark, however...

 

[maranello551]

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[BundleflowerPower]

20g of mimosa is a good dose, if it's freshly harvested though and wet

 

[maranello551]

20g of mimosa is a good dose, if it's freshly harvested though and wet

I only have access to dried mimosa at the moment...

 

[pitubo]

People also must be aware that some Acacia is very weak. Rumour has it that trunk bark is being sold as root bark. This might explain why some people can drink 20g of it.

Total nonsense. Trunk bark from acacia confusa can be quite potent. I have personally extracted samples originating from Taiwan and they were really good.

From what I have heard, it seems that there is a problem with vendors in Hawaii making a mess of their business, delivering bunk bark, not trunk bark. Perhaps some of the material isn't even acacia confusa but a look-alike.

 

[starway6]

mimosa and acacia can take you to the same place... only diference is that acacia is a gentler spirit and a fast but smoother gentler ride..

Mimosa is ususally more [pure] [NN DMT] and the come up can be vicious and unforgiving like being shot out of a cannon..

I find acacia a bit more earth conected and mimosa can be totaly alien and out of control..

Not everyone likes to be shot out of a cannon...

They can booth take you to the cosmic carnivle ..but so can dreams...

Try galantamine sometime :thumb_up:

deepdreaming.net...

 

[BundleflowerPower]

To me, both mimosa and chaliponga last MUCH longer. The other day I drank mimosa, it lasted at least 8 hours, same with chali, whereas acacia seems to be over in 4-6.

 

[Jees]

BFP, to me that is different, mimo as shortest and chali is the real duration champ.
Interesting to see everyone has different experiences.

 

[BundleflowerPower]

BFP, to me that is different, mimo as shortest and chali is the real duration champ.
Interesting to see everyone has different experiences.

Well I've had acacia last that long before, but all and all it usually last about 4-6 hours. And I really haven't drank mimosa as much as the others. But yeah, I agree that chaliponga is the real duration champ, I've had it last all night and into the next day