Mobility

[WhoAreYou]

So I've done an extraction, and have been apprehensive about trying it myself, mainly because I'm afraid that I might do something dangerous during the experience.

I have a few friends who were interested in trying it, and after which they said my fears were unfounded because they believe that during the experience you are incapacitated to some degree.

The other day I let another friend try it, and during the peak she slide off the couch onto the ground, started sliding around, kicking her legs and flailing her arms yelling, "I can't do this", and I had to restrain her to keep her from breaking anything or hurting herself, and it took all my strength. When she was "back", she had no recollection of that happening.

So this is exactly the same thing I fear for myself -- being physically mobile during the experience, and potentially hurting someone, myself or something.

How common is this, and is there any way to prevent it beyond a straight-jacket or being tied down?

 

[TGO]

It isn't extremely common but it does happen. However, your friend having no memory of the experience is often attributed to smoking too much. What was her dosage? If you are worried about running around and doing something silly or something you'll regret, it is highly unlikely. DMT absolutely has the power to incapacitate you.

Also DMT by itself does not last very long, therefore giving you less time to potentially do anything harmful. If you are truly worried about this, why not try low doses first to see how that feels and then move on up if you feel so inclined. Let go of your fear and embrace the experience...

I wish you the best.

 

[Miles_Kilo]

Start with an extremely low dose.

Make sure that you are in a safe space.

And make sure you have atleast 2 of your guy friends around so that they can contain you if you go berserk(highly unlikely)

 

[WhoAreYou]

She did have recollection of the inner experience, just not of outer / physical struggle.

I'm trying to assess how often people end up physically moving about, and the best way to prevent problems without negatively impacting the experience.

 

[TGO]

She did have recollection of the inner experience, just not of outer / physical struggle.

I'm trying to assess how often people end up physically moving about, and the best way to prevent problems without negatively impacting the experience.

Ah, I see so the dosage was probably fine if she remembered what was happening within the trip. Most people (But I must emphasize that not all people react the same way) tend to lay back and appear to be sleeping or extremely out of it. This is in reference to smoked or vaped DMT. With aya the results may vary since the trip is longer.

 

[DeltaSpice]

I would not let her sample spice again.
Can I ask how old she is?

 

[WhoAreYou]

She is in her mid 30s.

She tried it twice. The first time, she laid back and was fairly calm and quiet with a little bit of writhing. She asked to try it again, and held it longer the second time.

I have been waiting years to try it myself, but am afraid the same thing will happen to me, and just want to take preventative measures.

 

[Doc Buxin]

I would not let her sample spice again.

I agree with DeltaSpice on this point.

 

[hug46]

So I've done an extraction, and have been apprehensive about trying it myself, mainly because I'm afraid that I might do something dangerous during the experience.

It maybe a tad curmudgeonly of me to say this but wouldn't it be more responsible to try your own extraction first before giving it to other people? A nice big double mattress is a safe place to experiment.

 

[travsha]

Try a small dose and have a sitter. It only lasts a few minutes and you wont get into much trouble in that time with a sitter around. Most likely you wont even need the sitter and everything will be fine. I have never seen anyone act like that with DMT before, and I have seen a lot of people smoke and vape it over the years.... It's pretty uncommon.

I think you will be fine. It's good to face your fears!

 

[Doc Buxin]

...wouldn't it be more responsible to try your own extraction first before giving it to other people?

this^^^^^^ yes!! Curmudgeonly or not!

I would never give any kind of drug to anyone that I haven't tried beforehand myself. This goes for new batches of stuff too.

It's just the prudent, responsible thing to do.

 

[TGO]

Exactly, I must agree with hug46 and travsha. Be in a safe, comfortable place (like a bed) and go for it. Definitely have a sitter if it is causing you a lot of worry. You'll never know until you try.

 

[WhoAreYou]

...wouldn't it be more responsible to try your own extraction first before giving it to other people?

this^^^^^^ yes!! Curmudgeonly or not!

I would never give any kind of drug to anyone that I haven't tried beforehand myself. This goes for new batches of stuff too.

It's just the prudent, responsible thing to do.

I did try a small dose (12mg), just didn't go for a big (50mg) dose.

Those that I gave it to were informed and wanted to try it, not guinea pigs.

So, should I work up in 5mg increments? (15mg, 20mg, 25mg, 30mg, etc)?

 

[TGO]

Increasing by 5mg increments each time would be/is an excellent plan.

:thumb_up:

 

[Synkromystic]

I would not let her sample spice again.

This seems like a rather extreme reaction to a non extreme event. If WhoAreYou is willing to give, and the other person willing to receive, and she is in a safe environment....why not? Lot's of people have and have had really difficult experiences. It's part of the dmt experience and part of life. Live and learn from all experiences

 

[DeltaSpice]

I would not let her sample spice again.

This seems like a rather extreme reaction to a non extreme event. If WhoAreYou is willing to give, and the other person willing to receive, and she is in a safe environment....why not? Lot's of people have and have had really difficult experiences. It's part of the dmt experience and part of life. Live and learn from all experiences

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this my friend

If some one is screaming "I cant do this" then I would take that to mean exactly that.

 

[Synkromystic]

I would not let her sample spice again.

This seems like a rather extreme reaction to a non extreme event. If WhoAreYou is willing to give, and the other person willing to receive, and she is in a safe environment....why not? Lot's of people have and have had really difficult experiences. It's part of the dmt experience and part of life. Live and learn from all experiences

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this my friend

If some one is screaming "I cant do this" then I would take that to mean exactly that.

The problem is you have NO idea what she was screaming in response to! It could be that an entity was trying to rape her. What would you do in response to that?....''Oh, well ok rape me and molest me''?? The point is you have no idea, and should not pass judgement while you are completely clueless. It was described earlier in the thread that she knew what was going on inside her experience, yet on the ''outside'' it was different...

Have you never had a difficult trip? I don't see how you can rationally tell someone that they should never do it again since they had a bad trip..especially when you have no idea the content involved. With that attitude, I would have to recommend to you that you never take dmt again, because WHEN you have a bad trip, you are obviously not well prepared to deal with it...

 

[Doc Buxin]

The other day I let another friend try it, and during the peak she slide off the couch onto the ground, started sliding around, kicking her legs and flailing her arms yelling, "I can't do this", and I had to restrain her to keep her from breaking anything or hurting herself, and it took all my strength. When she was "back", she had no recollection of that happening.

My take on it is this:

If this were a friend of mine & this happened at my house, I simply would not ever offer DMT to this person again at my house.

I would not tell them to never do DMT again, as that is their decision & I'm not at all about to tell someone else what or what not to put in their bodies or do with their bodies.

But I do prefer to keep a very mellow, peaceful vibe at our home, especially when imbibing in psychedelic substances.

Don't get me wrong, it would be no judgement against said friend & they'd still be a friend & invited over to visit, but I just wouldn't want to have to deal with that kind of unconscious behavior at our domicile. I have to deal with enough in life as it is & I'd personally rather not have to deal with someone who can't sit very still for 15 minutes while they traverse hyperspace.

Just my two cents...

 

[DeltaSpice]

I would not let her sample spice again.

This seems like a rather extreme reaction to a non extreme event. If WhoAreYou is willing to give, and the other person willing to receive, and she is in a safe environment....why not? Lot's of people have and have had really difficult experiences. It's part of the dmt experience and part of life. Live and learn from all experiences

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this my friend

If some one is screaming "I cant do this" then I would take that to mean exactly that.

The problem is you have NO idea what she was screaming in response to! It could be that an entity was trying to rape her. What would you do in response to that?....''Oh, well ok rape me and molest me''?? The point is you have no idea, and should not pass judgement while you are completely clueless. It was described earlier in the thread that she knew what was going on inside her experience, yet on the ''outside'' it was different...

Have you never had a difficult trip? I don't see how you can rationally tell someone that they should never do it again since they had a bad trip..especially when you have no idea the content involved. With that attitude, I would have to recommend to you that you never take dmt again, because WHEN you have a bad trip, you are obviously not well prepared to deal with it...

Calm down man, chill.. Don't get all offended..
ok you are rite I will never take dmt again.
All my best to you

 

[Synkromystic]

I would not let her sample spice again.

This seems like a rather extreme reaction to a non extreme event. If WhoAreYou is willing to give, and the other person willing to receive, and she is in a safe environment....why not? Lot's of people have and have had really difficult experiences. It's part of the dmt experience and part of life. Live and learn from all experiences

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this my friend

If some one is screaming "I cant do this" then I would take that to mean exactly that.

The problem is you have NO idea what she was screaming in response to! It could be that an entity was trying to rape her. What would you do in response to that?....''Oh, well ok rape me and molest me''?? The point is you have no idea, and should not pass judgement while you are completely clueless. It was described earlier in the thread that she knew what was going on inside her experience, yet on the ''outside'' it was different...

Have you never had a difficult trip? I don't see how you can rationally tell someone that they should never do it again since they had a bad trip..especially when you have no idea the content involved. With that attitude, I would have to recommend to you that you never take dmt again, because WHEN you have a bad trip, you are obviously not well prepared to deal with it...

Calm down man, chill.. Don't get all offended..
ok you are rite I will never take dmt again.
All my best to you

I am not offended....It has nothing to do with me. I am calm I was not angry, nor am I now. I was merely stating my point of view with a manner of firmness.

I am not suggesting that you never take dmt again....But I would highly recommend that with an attitude like ''she had a horrible trip and should never do it again'', you will find yourself getting into serious trouble eventually. I think if you changed your perception and expectation about dmt trips, you would be much better suited to further exploration. Often times what we want, and what we need to grow are 2 completely separate things. I only wish to offer a different perspective.