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Multiple hits with the GVG

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Xabaddonx

Xabaddonx

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I am new to DMT and this forum but have tried to prepare myself as best as possible. After reading the recommendations of this forum I picked up a GVG but I have only tried it once with a 10mg dose to get my feet wet so to speak. I feel like this amount just made me uncomfortable and slightly nauseated due to the speed and intensity of the CEVs I experienced, as I have read on here before it seems like doing too little can be counterproductive so I am trying to strike the right balance for my second experience.

With this in mind, I have been trying to decide on what dosage I should go for and have read some about single hits being the most powerful but difficult to handle. Some posts by Gilbran seem to indicate that all the DMT is vaporized at once in the GVG and so it seems like it would not be possible to spread it out into multiple hits even if I wanted to. Is this the case or is there a technique that would allow me to split it out into 2 or 3 hits to ease the transition? How much would you recommend in this case to avoid getting stuck in the "tunnel"?
 
I would recommend that you melt your dose into a ceramic foam disc and then work your way up in 5 mg increments, endeavoring to clear the dose in one inhalation each time. It's true that low doses can be dysphoric, but for me, wading into deeper waters in this fashion was the way to go in the beginning.

Use a torch lighter, take some deep breaths, and then draw slow and steady. You'll find the sweet spot pretty quickly.
 
Ah yes, I forgot to mention that I am using the liquid pad that VaporGenie sells and it does seem to be very efficient. Thanks for the advice!
 
A ceramic disc will work a lot better than the liquid pad. Check out the Bye-bye Choreboy thread. That's exactly what you want.
 
I use the liquid pad from the beginning. Perhaps there are better devices, but for me it is an effective tool.

If you take 20 mg goo, vaporize it correctly, and you inhale it in one single hit and keep the smoke in your lungs for twenty or more seconds you should get very nice fractals to see. Even better ones if you manage to take that second hit.

I have no idea how much DMT is in my goo as it also contains plant extracts.

Good luck and keep trying.
 
A few comments...

First, anytime you hear talk about how you need a second or third hit to breakthrough on DMT, you are listening to somebody who is using an inferior smoking apparatus. With the GVG I promise you one good hit is more than enough.

Next: that tunnel, I think we all know the tunnel you're talking about . The tunnel can be euphoric or dysphoric. When I first went down the tunnel I felt a bit freaked out because of the bodily sensation, the energy waves flowing through me. It's not that it felt bad but I was so shocked and confused by the sensation. These days, for me, I feel like it's the energy of the universe flowing through me.

About multiple-hits... if you have GVG, don't. How high you get will depend on mostly three things: 1. how much you load into the pipe, 2. how long you hold it in, 3. your smoking technique (torch lighter, how quick you draw, etc.) The beauty of the GVG is that since it never burns spice, you can hold the vapor in for as long as you can hold your breath; although personally i try to avoid oxygen depletion and just take a good exhale-inhale after 20 seconds.

About gradually increasing your dose: a great idea, but understand that you don't have to increase your dose to get something new out of DMT. At first I thought of it in terms like "10mg gives me the tunnel, 20mg gives me hyperspace, 30mg gives me dancing with the sprites, etc." That's not really how it works. More than once I've attempted to have a very small and cautious dose, for some selfish purpose such as enhancing my enjoyment of music, only to completely have my reality turned on its head.

For this reason, once you have a truly mind-blowing experience, rather than trying to trump it, just try to replicate it. To your surprise you may find that something entirely new is waiting.

Best wishes to you on your travels. Looking forward to hearing you share your experiences.
 
The GVG liquid pad is a great accessory, I aim to get several extra. I have not tried vaping off a ceramic block but the GVG liquid pad is a massive improvement on the DIY steel scrubber pads I had been using. I need a lower dose now, and it is more forgiving, overheating seems to be rare.
 
I've tinkered with alll sorts of methods, starting with glass meth-bulb pipe, many screens, chore boy in gvg, gvg with volcano disc(wirey disc shaped), gvg with ceramic discs, and all sorts of crazy combinations with beakers and tubes.

I've settled on gvg with a bed of lightly packed down Mullein around 10mg, another thin layer of mullein, lil more dmt and then cover with more plant material.
 
strtman said:
I use the liquid pad from the beginning. Perhaps there are better devices, but for me it is an effective tool.

If you take 20 mg goo, vaporize it correctly, and you inhale it in one single hit and keep the smoke in your lungs for twenty or more seconds you should get very nice fractals to see. Even better ones if you manage to take that second hit.

I have no idea how much DMT is in my goo as it also contains plant extracts.

Good luck and keep trying.
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seconding that. my goo will send you to a very beautiful place vaped on small decorative lightbulb hollowed out. 20 mg will blow your doors (of perception) off.....
 
I've used the GVG with both the ceramic disc and the stainless one vapour genie sells. The stainless one is more dense and requires a little longer to get vaping temp, if you are using the melt the spice into the disc strategy. Once you get the technique right with it, I think its probably the best way to go in regards to efficiency of product.

I am also using the work my way up incrementally system and it has helped me progress farther each time. Also I have found harmalas to help out a lot as well.
 
I have tried pure spice 3 times, the last time I tried 15mg and I think I didn't get it all in in one go because I started breathing in too early or did not apply the flame aggressively enough. I still had an amazing trip tho (still in the "waiting room" I believe) where I saw elements from my imagination whirling integrated into a whirling fractal wall. It felt like I was going so fast that my thinking mind wanted to be scared but all panic thoughts disintegrated as they were being formed so eventually it gave up after 4-5 tries. For a while I forgot that I was tripping. After the peak ended, I focused on my breath and sensed a light through a dark shroud, eventually I came to see a glowing green orb very clearly before the visions faded.

I want to step up but I also got some harmalas, not sure if I should keep stepping up and try to break through with pure spice first or use the harmalas (oral or sublingual harmalas aka "vaporhuasca" ) and go back down to 10mg spice. I got rue harmalas tho and after reading some more I think I would like caapi based harmalas better (the THH component seems like exactly what I'm looking for) so I am trying to get some of that.
 
Make sure you are using a good torch/torch lighter. This will help get the disc to vaping temp faster. You can trying inhaling while heating with the torch to it until it starts to vape, then exhale and start again so you get a full inhalation of vapour.

It is not true that all the spice is vaped in the first hit in a GVG. Actually I find it to be the opposite, and you can load it it up and just vape as much as you want and leave the rest for another day. This is if you are melting it into a liquid pad/ceramic disc of some sort.
 
I also wanted to say that I had a similar issue as you with the experience being too "fast" and it was really hard to grasp and bring back anything from it. Vaping a small amount of free base harmalas extracted from rue right beforehand has made a world of difference. I was hesitant at first to do so and experimented a bunch of times with spice alone, but after having a few more experienced members listen to my concerns and advise me that harmalas might help I decided to give it a shot.
 
Glossolalia said:
First, anytime you hear talk about how you need a second or third hit to breakthrough on DMT, you are listening to somebody who is using an inferior smoking apparatus. With the GVG I promise you one good hit is more than enough.
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That's not to say it 2-3 hits won't work though is it? One of my issues with taking it in one hit would be the quantity of vapour. I've also read several reports on here that when people take it all in one the onset is even more intense than when spreading it out.
 
ehud said:
I also wanted to say that I had a similar issue as you with the experience being too "fast" and it was really hard to grasp and bring back anything from it. Vaping a small amount of free base harmalas extracted from rue right beforehand has made a world of difference. I was hesitant at first to do so and experimented a bunch of times with spice alone, but after having a few more experienced members listen to my concerns and advise me that harmalas might help I decided to give it a shot.
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Do you vape 20mg and do you use the GVG? I read that it does not vape very well and I don't want to have it gunking up my GVG so that was why I was considering sublingual or oral for the harmalas. I have read some reports where the experience became overwhelming long after rue tea though, I don't know if that is due to it being oral or they simply used too much rue.
 
I now people here seem to be keen on smoking but for slower onset why not try oral with MAOI? Taking 300g Moclobemide is all takes to inhibit MAO.
 
Oral DMT seems like it would last way too long for a beginner, it seems like the most intense / longest lasting method.
 
Xabaddonx said:
ehud said:
I also wanted to say that I had a similar issue as you with the experience being too "fast" and it was really hard to grasp and bring back anything from it. Vaping a small amount of free base harmalas extracted from rue right beforehand has made a world of difference. I was hesitant at first to do so and experimented a bunch of times with spice alone, but after having a few more experienced members listen to my concerns and advise me that harmalas might help I decided to give it a shot.
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Do you vape 20mg and do you use the GVG? I read that it does not vape very well and I don't want to have it gunking up my GVG so that was why I was considering sublingual or oral for the harmalas. I have read some reports where the experience became overwhelming long after rue tea though, I don't know if that is due to it being oral or they simply used too much rue.
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I use about 1/3 of what I am vaping for spice. So approximately 7mg harmala free base for 20 mg of spice. I do not use my GVG, but a separate oil burner (meth pipe) just for the harmala, and vape it just before I am about to blast off.
 
Oh wow, that is not as much as I thought. How much would you say it slows it down for you and how long does the peak and total experience last?
 
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