Music and setting mindset

[thomo]

Hi all

Have a question that is relevant to music. I was wondering if music can guarantee a more pleasant trip then without for newbies testing the waters?

For example if a particular song always makes you feel good and you play this as you vaporize the dmt is it more likely that you will have an enjoyable trip because of your mindset being set by the song playing then without it?

I'm really interested in dmt and have been reading on this site for ages but the more I read the more nervous I get.


Thanks

 

[AnavriN]

Music is a good tool in adapting to the experience and can guide journeys in comforting ways especially during the first few sessions, however you may come to a point where it is not necessary. At some point it seems like training wheels and you want to experience it for it's self. It can become more unpredictable without it and some people prefer music to keep themselves on track and it may be a good idea to do so if one is not inclined to face disconcerting situations. However I believe much as Aldous Huxley stated that the infernal experiences may be just as valuable as the beatific.

 

[Felnik]

I think music is fine at low doses but beyond that beware.

Personally I've found the dmt experience is way deeper
And transcends pre recorded human audio constructs by an order
Of magnitude . I used to tear headphones off my head on too many occasions
As what I was seeing and hearing in the journey was
Far better than the disstracting audio tinkerings I had set up .
But everyone has they're preference . If your gonna do music I suggest keeping it mellow
And unobtrusive .

 

[Pup Tentacle]

No guarantees about diddly-wat-squat in DMT-land. :thumb_up:

For me music can be grounding... which is good if you want to feel tethered somewhat, but bad if you wanna soar. Of course, past a certain point, music won't matter at all.

My best friend had the opposite experience of what you're asking. We were in my trip cave vaping DMT. I had some Roxy Music on in the background by virtue of it being in a playlist. (I'll mention here that my friend detested Roxy Music at this point in time). He took a big hit... BIG. He went deeper than ever before... gurgling, grunting, twitching. About 20 mins or so later he's kind of getting back to base, he looks over at me and says "You bastard! I will now forever associate Roxy Music with the deepest psychedelic experience of my life." Now he a least like one of their songs, lol.

Anything that calms you before lift-off though, is a good thing overall. I guess if you wanna de-tether... you just smoalk moar

If anything... have the music on for the return ends up being the nicest part for me.

Peace & Blessings

PT

 

[DeDao]

When working with psychedelics, music can certainly influence and guide you to a certain extent.

Like said before, there is no guarantee with higher doses.

It's good to have a set of things you do to make yourself feel better.

For example :

-Drink tea
-Music
-Fruit
-having a friend you can laugh with

These things can help set a bad trip back on track into a heavenly tour.

Hope you find what you are looking for.

 

[anrchy]

Ya music afterwards is a def plus for me. I use music more often than not and personally I find it doesn't usually ground me too much, if at all. Larger doses and you don't even know that music is playing.

IMO music doesn't guarantee anything tho. And sometimes depending on the situation it can also be a bad thing. When I dosed too big, when I came out my Stereo was playing some Tibetan singing bowls. Beings that I was already really freaked out about how far I had gone the low tones from some of the singing bowls only brought terror. They sounded like tones of doom and I had a difficult time pressing the power button that was constantly moving, disappearing, turning inside out ect.

IME the best type of music to use would be songs that give you strong feelings of good emotion when sober. This gets amplified 10 fold sometimes. The best one for me I came out bawling my face off, then laughing, then bawling. For like 15 minutes.

 

[headphoneperson]

I agree with Felnik that music at low doses can be good.

However, I have never been able to deal with music when vaporizing DMT beyond 15 mg or so. I have ripped off my headphones as complete distraction during an experience innumerable times.

Interestingly, I am a classically trained multi-instrumentalist musician of 30+ years. Music is a daily necessity of my life, whether it be scales and exercises, a Bach fugue, or yet another airing of Pet Sounds or Paul's Boutique on vinyl.

And yet I can't understand music in the slightest beyond about 15 mg in a vapor genie. It gets so jumbled up with language and vision and emotion and memory, all complete synaesthesia to the point that I can never tell what is what (i.e., everything is the same and nothing is familiar).

Yeah, DMT can make a mockery of everything you ever thought you knew about anything.

 

[thomo]

OK, well will probably give it ago sometime soon with some positive emotion inducing music. Ive gotten to the chrysanthemum before which was intense felt like I wasn't in my body with eyes closed, though going to go for a breakthrough next time.

I think I may have even already had one, though it felt like only for like 30 secs or so everything was holographic looking and I saw like Egyptian faces and snakes I think, though thinking about it now it seems a vague blur so much so that I'm not even sure if it really happened. Like I dont even remember where or when I did it even.
Does it feel like this after awhile normally?

 

[Felnik]

Headphone person that's funny I'm a musician as well.
It's also a daily part of my existence . Been a working musician
For about the same amount of time .

It's funny how dmt can reduce a piece of music to a trifle
Useless human construct in very short order . I did have a period where I was
Really enjoying some electronic unobtrusive minimalist
Stuff like kieth Fullerton Whitman. Tried ravel and Debussy once
But it was impossible and too overwhelming. I think it's just
Better without music .

 

[armbarsalot]

i have some questions about how music influences people collectively.

When you see a band.. say like STS9 where they are able to immediately jack into everyone in the crowd and make them feel and think/move in the same way. As a generally higher level user than the typical blasted 20 something i am able to step back and see what appears to be archetypal influences. The Shakespearean manipulation of feelings and energy can only come for the collective unconscious right?

maybe i'm just tripping any insights from musicians would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

 

[Kahdaj]

I am extremely new to DMT and psychadelics in general. For the last few days I have been slowly upping the dosage of my DMT trips, and last night I had a breakthrough. I found that even as my body melted away and the lyrics faded into incomprehensible muttering, the music followed me and kept me safe. I wouldn't have been able to tell you what I was listening to while it was happening, but I could feel it there influencing my trip.

I've been a working musician for years and music has always played a huge role in my life. I have problems with understanding and communicating my emotions being that I am a classic introvert. Music acts as a conduit that I can attach my feelings to, without it I would be a robot.

I'm going to continue experimenting with some softer music with positive vibes and see where the spice can take me. Eventually when I'm comfortable with what this wonderful molocule can do, I plan on slowly working into some darker rock and metal to see where that can take me.

 

[Hyperdimensional Cuttlefish]

I look at music to set a mood for the scene, like a movie. Tibetan chant is good, white noise or static can...make the other...voices louder IMO. Slow, floating rhythms make for dreamy, light touch sailing excursions.

For me, a "power trip"; e.g. a really driven, focused journey takes quiet or drone-stuff like OM. That's like water skiing behind a drag-boat. heh

In short, music can be a huge part of set and setting.