music is the key to an amazing experience?

[anonsurfer]

first, let me tell you my first experiences before deciding music is the key. So about a month and a half ago I broke through on DMT for the very first time. I had researched very thoroughly about it, watched a bunch of documentaries and youtube video and got the basic idea of what I should feel and experience. After getting some, I didn't hesitate to go into hyperspace, loaded 50mg and vaped it the best I could. My gf helped me get a second hit in even though I was already pretty gone after the first.

Well, to no surprise I was gone.. I was in this extremely alien head space that I cannot even explain. While in this trip though, I could constantly feel like I had just done something really bad, like a feeling of I messed up or broke something in the universe/brain and that I was stuck in hyperspace forever. I even heard a telepathic voice telling me that "In rare occurrences, you may get stuck in a DMT trip forever" I had no knowledge of smoking DMT and that I am just tripping for 5 minutes. Coming out of it, I figured I was fine and all of that was obviously not true. It was a shaking experience but I really wanted to do it again because I though I just had a bad trip.

A couple of days later, I decided to just go for it again and hope for the best. I smoked it with a lot of anxiety, even more than the first time. What do I know, the same exact feeling of loss and fear overpowered me. I was in hyperspace once again but this time it seemed to be even more intense. I remember opening my eyes in my room and not recognizing anything. Coming down from it I had decided I won't be doing DMT for quite a while.

Yesterday I decided to try a low dose of it. at first about 5-10mg. It was very manageable and mild. I do remember feeling the same headspace/feeling I felt in my breakthroughs but it wasn't bad at all. Still felt extreme anxiety smoking that amount. The DMT vapor is what scared me the most. The smell, the look and just generally the inhalation. After coming down I decided to go for a sub breakthrough dose, about 20mg. This time though, I decided to go outside and sit in the lawn chair and listen to music. I put on a really relaxing song. If you search up DMT music on google, it will be the first video you see pop up.

I went to take a big hit, but instead of feeling anxiety building up as I am propelled forwards, I felt extreme comfort in the music and myself. I didn't feel a single bit of fear or anxiety this time. It was like the music had removed the silence and occupied my brain with joy and comfort. I didn't breakthrough but had extreme euphoria that I have never felt on DMT before. I did another 20 mg today and felt the same exact thing, I could understand the music and it was just such a happy feeling. I overcame my fear of the vapor and the come up just because of the music I think. I am completely ready for a breakthrough dose now and have little to no anxiety when I look at the molecule, taste the molecule and experience the molecule

FYI, for the month and a half after those 2 trips, I had though of DMT and understood how sacred of a chemical it is but I always had the fear of the experiences. It gave me goosebumps just thinking about it every time I got deep into it.

So in everyone's opinion, does music really help you gain a positive experience from the trip or is it because I hasn't broken though on it. I feel like silence is just so damn dark and anxiety inducing.

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

In my experience, I find that music can be the key to an amazing experience, but the matter is not that black and white.

Lemme first define something I'll call one's 'inner symphony' - to illustrate my point, this will mean the state of one's inner self during 'normal', sober times. Some people's inner symphony is a little darker than others', and vice versa. Some people benefit greatly from having music that can guide the experience, whereas others' inner symphonies carry them to great heights without any external driving source. (music)

Now, this is not black and white either - because I think each of our inner symphonies change and vary through the days, hours, weeks, months, years etc. Some people may have a dark symphony all the time, some people light all the time, some people dark parts of the day and light other parts of the day, etc etc.

And none of this is to say that someone with a primarily 'dark' inner symphony is a dark person - they just may have more anxiety, more fear, or just be in a phase in their life where the situations they're in don't satisfy them or feed their soul, and so the blank times - silence - are more likely to lean towards the darkness rather than the light.

Look at it like a balloon that's in a room, tied with 2 pieces of string both to the floor below and the ceiling above - keeping it steady in the middle of the room. This is our mind/inner symphony during regular/normal times - it hovers more or less in the same spot or general area. But when we use DMT, this is cutting both strings - whether the balloon rises or drops depends on what the balloon is filled with - something light like helium, or something heavier like 'regular' air. If helium, the balloon rises rapidly with no external assistance (music). If air, the balloon sinks in blank silence.

We are the balloon, and the state/nature of our innards at any given time will affect whether we go up or down with the experience. DMT cuts the ties, severs the bonds - sets us free. It is up to us to learn how to fly.


Disclaimer - there are plenty of experiences which seem to contradict this, where one can seemingly be in a wonderful state within, and then smoke/vape DMT and go straight to hell. Those I don't understand - like someone else says here on the nexus, DMT is constantly smashing my expectations and previously-assumed understandings. But still, I believe what I said above holds value in many cases.

 

[anonsurfer]

You're completely right. I think it may have been the anxiety and fear that I felt for the substance. I would question if I will have a bad trip or a good one based on learning about it before hand. I think that is actually what put me in the bad state of mind for it. Music gave me something to focus on when I was smoking it to remove the thoughts of "It's hitting me, oh man it's hitting hard, I don't like this, I like this, maybe I should never smoke it again." But you're right about the inner symphony thing. I just hate silence in general. I feel like once I can learn to breakthrough and handle it, I will just as easily do it without music.

 

[universecannon]

The right music greatly enhances my low/medium dose experiences, especially in combination with yoga or liquid flowing movements. But for breakthroughs i usually prefer silence, or maybe something really simple like tones or binaural beats.

 

[DesykaLamgeenie]

Hi again anonsurfer; I totally know what you mean - I go through phases every now and then where I'll smoke too much MJ too often, which I'm very sensitive to and if I abuse it I get anxiety and tension. During one of these phases, whenever I'd do DMT, I would get rapid thoughts that didn't even need to be thought - I was over analyzing, too tense, etc, and not just being in the moment and feeling it...flowing with it. Resulted in some hellacious experiences when I would get tired of baby steps and take big steps thinking I'll just blast myself through the issue - but it hammered in just how important it was for me to not let those phases get too out of control, and to keep myself clear and in a good state by exercising better self control and all that - not abusing MJ. I still do sometimes, but to a much lesser extent, and I haven't had that issue with DMT since.

Something that might help - I've learned to jump in to the experience full-force, with love, joy, ecstatic intent, etc - just as I would run to a lover I hadn't seen in years and embrace them in a big beautiful hug creating sparks in the ether. I try to jump in to my DMT experiences in exactly that way - instead of being in the sort of mind state of wondering what's going to happen, what's it going to do to me - ya know, waiting to see what will happen - I say "THIS is what's going to happen" - I intentionally jump in to it, meeting it with love and fluidly applying a willingness to dive in to whatever will be, on the fly, just like if a lover was beginning to caress you and touch you - you're like oh, yeah, yesss keep going, etc. Not that I literally would be saying that in such a situation, heh, but you know what I'm sayin' right?

And when I said "THIS is what's going to happen" - I don't mean in a controlling way - I just mean that rather than setting the stage for me to wait and observe and analyze what's happing or what's going to happen, I set the stage for me and the DMT to twirl together in a vortex of love and ecstacy on stage together, as a duet - not as a man tied to a chair with an intimidating character circling around.

But, that's not a fix-all - it doesn't always work, just as not everyone you try to run to and lovingly embrace will share your joy and twirl into a vortex with you - but it has definitely changed my relationship with the substance a great deal, and has allowed me to go much deeper/farther. When I'm able to do it very successfully, the experience DRAMATICALLY reflects it in quite an explosive way. It's kinda like making love...actually, more than I'd previously realized. It's quite a lot like making love, really. To me anyways...

And hey universecannon; I definitely agree with the right music being able to greatly enhance low/medium dose experiences - especially after smoking MJ. It all seems to twirl together very, very nicely.

I've never tried a combination with yoga or other movement, but I have thought about it and it seemed like it could be something special. I enjoy mixing different combinations of music, thoughts/intent, lighting, position, setup of the room around you, etc in sort of an alchemical way to bring about new unique experiences...and I've wondered for a while about adding in a form of movement, but just haven't actually done it yet. Glad to hear you've experimented with it and had good results. Definitely intending on trying that soon.

 

[daisranger]

Hi again anonsurfer; I totally know what you mean - I go through phases every now and then where I'll smoke too much MJ too often, which I'm very sensitive to and if I abuse it I get anxiety and tension. During one of these phases, whenever I'd do DMT, I would get rapid thoughts that didn't even need to be thought - I was over analyzing, too tense, etc, and not just being in the moment and feeling it...flowing with it. Resulted in some hellacious experiences when I would get tired of baby steps and take big steps thinking I'll just blast myself through the issue - but it hammered in just how important it was for me to not let those phases get too out of control, and to keep myself clear and in a good state by exercising better self control and all that - not abusing MJ. I still do sometimes, but to a much lesser extent, and I haven't had that issue with DMT since.

Something that might help - I've learned to jump in to the experience full-force, with love, joy, ecstatic intent, etc - just as I would run to a lover I hadn't seen in years and embrace them in a big beautiful hug creating sparks in the ether. I try to jump in to my DMT experiences in exactly that way - instead of being in the sort of mind state of wondering what's going to happen, what's it going to do to me - ya know, waiting to see what will happen - I say "THIS is what's going to happen" - I intentionally jump in to it, meeting it with love and fluidly applying a willingness to dive in to whatever will be, on the fly, just like if a lover was beginning to caress you and touch you - you're like oh, yeah, yesss keep going, etc. Not that I literally would be saying that in such a situation, heh, but you know what I'm sayin' right?

Wow Desyka, thank you! I can related to your first paragraph, especially to the "rapid thoughts." I've wondered if this is due to MJ, and have had my best experiences when going in clean, not in that cloud of the cannabis.

The second paragraph is such a beautiful idea, and seems like a fantastic approach. My last journey a couple weeks ago left me blown away, satisfied, and with a feeling of "too much." I've been tentative to jump back in, wanting to make sure I was ready. I will go into my next experience with your suggested mentality, and believe deep down it will prepare me better mentally than ever before.

Thank you!!!

 

[hopefull]

I would say you guys are lucky! I wish I could listen to music during a trip. Any medium dose and up(15 to 35mg.) I go completely deaf and hear nothing. I've tried putting on my stereo head phones and blasting them but every time, 30 seconds into the trip my hearing completely goes out.

 

[Amygdala]

I wrestle with this as well.

I think that music on higher doses holds me back from going the full distance. It has a familiar, grounding effect and seems to keep one of my feet in 'this' world - making it somewhat more difficult to fully let go.

When I take longer acting psychs, even in high doses - music is essential. One of the greatest joys of LSD and mushrooms for me is loosing myself in the rhythms and melodies of music and it carries me away in such a lovely way.
I LOVE taking LSD by myself with headphones on and walking through the woods for hours. Walking meditation.

However, with DMT on anything above a moderate dose, it has been adding confusion and I have often wished i had the wherewithal to turn it off.


Horror story - one time our music apparatus wasn't working, and I was smoking changa with a friend who was playing Pandora (not to my knowledge). I took an unexpectedly large rip, and about a minute into a very intense experience, the music turned off and the commercial began… "Are you happy with your car insurance?" Was incredibly unpleasant in hyperspace.

 

[Felnik]

I stopped using music while journeying quite a while ago
For me it detracts . I know it can have its moments
With lower doses but at higher ones it doesn't work for me .

It's hard to put into words but for me music becomes
A trite human construct irrelevant and distracting when
Faced with the immediacy and power of a full dmt trip .

 

[hopefull]

I agree with amygdala. When I smoke dmt I'm on a mission for knowledge unlike on mushrooms or LSD where I just do it for enjoyment so music fits well. I do enjoy DMT but music(can't hear it anyways) and even nature do not fit well when I smoke it. I'm looking for something completely different.