My first steps in 5-Meo-DMT Hyperspace

[homme]

Ave Nexus and hi everybody!

.. to not only hang out in the chat, I thought I could write some things about the one or the other experience I had with 5-MeO-DMT.

I am farely new to DMT like substances and am fairly new to the Nexus.
Apart from the usual suspects of psychedelics, my experience with DMT like substances is only with 5-MeO-DMT so far. But this will certainly be subject to change ))

Concerning ROA, my first experiences were with vaporisation - which works well.
I asked on the chat on expereiences with insufflated 5-MeO-DMT (especially regatrding how painfull this would be) and got mixed responses.
I tried it two times insufflated, using 10mg and 12mg and (at least at this dosages) it is imo very much worth it.
Pain-scale from 0 to 10, 0 being no pain at all, 10 = unbearable pain, 5 = "comfortable annoying headache" it was between 0 and 1 for 10mg. Between 1 and 2 for 12mg.
As soon as the experience unfolded I took no notice of it.

Upsides of insufflation: effects are long (see below).


What got me to start to write this were (people suggesting so in the chat) similarities of this thread and what I experience.

I AM GOD.
[...]
That I am you and you are me and I am god and so are we.

I saw the world through the eyes of god. I took the place of god. And god is confronted with: Eternity. And so was I.
I am god. For eternity.

Therefore God becomes as we are, that we may be as he is.

This is what you do, after half an eternity facing eternity and an eternity left to go: Become as we are. Take part for a lifetime.
Share the experience with your gods and goddess companions as soon as you're finished.
"Wer will nochmal, wer hat noch nicht?"

This was vaporized 5-MeO-DMT. Wrote about it a lot on a different forum and don't like to repeat or translate it yet.

I continue quoting from that thread and hook in with my thoughts and experiences.

Be at one with your life and your death. And make them one, for they are one as all is ONE.

"Man muss sagen können: Ich lebe gerne." (Translates to something like: "Allow yourself to say: I enjoy to live.")

"This is life." Immediate evident in its plain truth: "This is life. So simple. So beautiful. ZOMFG"

jbark describes in his 3rd thread how

Words come to me from somewhere deep inside, strangely ordinary words now burgeoning with import:
KETCHUP
FRIDAYS
LEGO
SPAGHETTI
[...]

I got this on a very high dose of psilocybin mushrooms.
While 5-MeO-DMT, as far as my experience goes, lives with an intensity in your mind that can surpass the most extreme doses of other tryptamines it does so without some aspects of crazyness I experienced with tryptamines.
E.g. having, as above, shredded language in my head and beeing confronted with the shreds and pieces of it.

I did not break through yet.
No white light - but vision indeed becomes brighter. I see light bursting forth from behind boundaries and borders of objects and shadows - but have not seen the light directly (have not become the light. Did not shine. Sry, quote ^^)
But it is very interesting. It is fun as well.
I think I like the body-load of 5-MeO-DMT. Which would be unusual for me.

I don’t use DMT to get answers, I use it to participate in the mystery.

I look forward to try DMT myself.
This I read earlier today, here on the forum.
Participating in a mystery. This feels right. And in some ways: This is life.
Participating in a mystery.

 

[DeMenTed]

Can you add what 5 meo DMT you had please, freebase or salt? I insufflated 5 meo DMT hcl and i found the pain in the nose way too uncomfortable! It ruined the experience for me. Cheers for posting, i think 5 meo needs to be explored much more than it currently is

 

[homme]

It's practically insoluble in warm water so I think it's safe to conclude that it's the free base amine.

 

[homme]

"Now when God plays hide ["hide" as in "hide and seek"] and pretends that he is you and I, he does
it so well that it takes him a long time to remember where and how he
hid himself. But that's the whole fun of it—just what he wanted to do.
He doesn't want to find himself too quickly, for that would spoil the
game. That is why it is so difficult for you and me to find out that we
are God in disguise, pretending not to be himself. But when the game
has gone on long enough, all of us will wake up, stop pretending, and
remember that we are all one single Self—the God who is all that there
is and who lives for ever and ever.

just read this and it is a fit description of what happened during that vaporized 5-Meo-DMT session mentioned above that I

Wrote about [...] a lot on a different forum and don't like to repeat or translate

... i was remembering so clearly, that i knew.
It amazes me - the feeling of these moments surfacing from my memory.

 

[homme]

let me share a moment of 5-MeO-DMT

I love music. I love psychedelics.

Everyone loves music. Few love psychedelics.
Life is magnificent and every grown up is free to decide what that means to him.

This is a beautifully quiet piece by A. Vivaldi. I like a lot of music of every genre. But especially I like what people refer to as "classical music". In my universe, without question, J.S. Bach is the master of music. I can't see him dethroned, but I would love to experience the earth shattering in my universe of this being seriously challenged :twisted: .

I'm drifting off.

So Vivaldi is cool as well.
And I like the piece above.

Now I joyously express an invitation to share a moment with me.
One may listen to this five times. This will take 15 minutes of ones life.
One may spread this 15 minutes over any time one likes. One may listen to it 5 times in a row. One may listen to it five times in five weeks.
But it's required to listen to it five times at least with some attention.

And at some point one will be planning to take some substance of one's choice at some point of one's life. And one may listen to it once again and: share a moment with me.


Ok. Away from the music, forth to 5-MeO-DMT.
I took an unkown amount <15mg vaporized. Unkown amount. How did that happen?
I loaded my device for vaporization with 15 mg some two weeks (?) ago. But while living, it naturally got thrown over (twice, lol -.- ).
As the course of entropy is.. The actual amount at the spot where it's supposed to vaporize did not increase in that process. It looked considerably less than it looked before. I think.
Anyway. So <15mg. But hell, I dont know.

From the effects it was definitely below 15 mg.
But never the less, it was beautifull. Oh! so full of beauty.
Listening to the above.
It is music. And it is sound. That sound. Alone the tone that such instruments can produce - the beauty.

The only trouble of this non-breakthrough dose was my usual mind still operating with all its mind sh***:
The conscious effort that is needed to go back to simply experiencing, for as not to plainly experience moments like these, that are so far from ordinary, my mind farts into my existence: WOW you need to share that on the Nexus.

:?:

 

[homme]

Quite some time passed.

I got to try out 5-MeO-DMT about 10 to 15 times. Vaporized most of the time.

The last sessions were quite high in dosage (all 14mg to 19mg).
However, it was not as strong as expected.
Don't get me wrong. Those were incredibly strong psychedelic experiences. But no sign of "the void" or anything.

I wondered why this is and experimented, and it turns out, I can not vaporize all the material that I put in the pipe.
I use a vapor genie (not the glass one but one of oak wood) and I place the material on 7 or 8 screens of metal mesh (one that people would put in a bong), but I think this is not the best approach.
What I think is:
Metal can absorb a lot of heat. When the hot air with the gaseous DMT passes by, a lot of heat can be absorbed and a lot of the substance will condensate again.

Next times, I'll remove some of the screens. I'll try with 4 I think.
If there's input to that, I'd be happy.
Any other material that can be used to hold the substance in place, that does absorb less heat than metal mesh?.


E.g.: I put 18mg in the pipe. I take one very big toke. I'm totally absorbed by an extremely intense experience.
After some minutes, still feeling quite some after effects, I try the pipe again and I'll get a similar strong experience.

I only take one toke, however, since the absolute amount is so small, compared to DMT.



Another question on thechnique. In this case concerning changa/infused herb:
I wanted to make changa. 5-MeO-DMT isn't soluble in lighter gas (Naphta).
It is, however, in denatured alcohol.
However, the denatureted alcohol I have, will leave some residual stuff, when it's evaporated on a mirror.
I wonder if it's safe.
Is denatured alcohol usually ok to use?
With one dose (15mg) I tried using it. The herb was dried white tea.
It tasted great. No unusual effects besides the most unusual things that were expected to happen anyway ).
So no headache or sick feeling or anything.
Anyway.


Some words to describe my impression on the experiences:

I like the feeling that the substance creates in the body.
At low doses as with high doses: The body high is great.

The experience itself is evolving as I repeat sessions.
The first sessions were dominated by topics like "perspective of god" (how would a god see this world. How would a god live in this world. A god would find out world fit, to live here properly), "eternity" (what happens with consciousness, when facing endlessness. Eternity. Never ending experiences.)
Sense of joy, in an extreme way. Sense of "having thought life through", having found "an answer". "The answer".
Regarding these answers, I'd say now: It was the experience that I like my life.
If there is an answer, to the question: What to do about this life? What to do with a life?
I'd answer now - with these experiences in mind: Like it.

(I'm only speaking of myself in this case. I know that circumstances do not allow for such a simple answer for everyone in every place.)

Impressions from my past.
These were the first experiences.
They were primarily based on thoughts.


The experiences after that were up until now, more based on feeling and perception.
5-MeO-DMT creates very interesting states of mind, when the mind is not filled with thoughts. (this is easier said than done in such extraordinary states of mind, imo.)
It's hard to describe.
I would describe the space of feelings, the space of experiences I was exposed to with words like "thick" and "dense".
My mind was a like a hand full (five or so) of thick strings, like roots. This feeling was flowing over into my senses as well. The visual impressions resembled these feelings as well.
Black dominating in what I received visually.
Beautiful faint colors of red, brown, yellow on a dominant black canvas.
But twodimensional - experiencing it from within.

It feels wery 'earthy'. Not alien, not foreign. Earthy. Home. Familiar and friendly.
I was kneaded. Massaged. Layers of sense, sensation, cognition that can be felt, can be seen, that feel so dense, that look so thick, that are so friendly. Earthy.

Looking into a dim light, i close my eyes. I'm standing (in fact i was). I'm standing in a fully white place. Definitely a place.
There only was white to be seen.
But experienced could be: whiteness and space.
Definitely "a place".
At this point, I was already coming down.
But the effects continue to be very interesting with concentration and quietness.

Regards,
homme