my thoughts on the sacred mushroom, shamanism and so on...

[harmoniics]

so... where to begin?

I guess the most profound trip I have ever experienced was from one small and unremarkable looking mushroom. It was not my first time, in fact I'd had ingested vast amounts of the same species (Psilocybe cubensis) in Byron Bay a few months before. The locals would literally harvest garbage bags full of gold tops, fill a huge stock pot and make a super concentrated brew (without denaturing it).

But there was something different about this mushroom. I had dreamt about it, called it to me using the old shamanic rites. I had thought about my great, great grandmother - a medicine woman/healer from the mountain regions in the Philippines. She had been there with me, as always protecting me as i travelled through the lower realms. When I found it in real life, I had walked for hours through the forest until I found this circle of trees. I remember being freaked out because the birds started doing this weird muttering sound in unison as soon as I stepped foot into the circle.

They say that the potency of a single mushroom is unpredictable. When i picked it, the indentation of my fingernails on its stem turned an iridescent blue.. so bright.. almost like a warning. I ate it raw, whole and sat down to mediate for a while before i made my way home.

Three months later I was still feeling the effects of the trip. I remember banning my best friend from using the word 'time' because I would start thinking about the orbit of planets, space/time and it would send me back into the trip all over again. Luckily I was only doing volunteer work at the time because the concept of money became alien to me. I started to understand complex math and physics.. and i had never been good at either at school. It was like my consciousness took a quantum leap, and I have never been the same since.

I did gradually become more grounded and learn to integrate this heightened reality with the physical one. The vast amount of knowledge that was downloaded into me during the trip still astounds me. When i hear about kids that take the mushroom, or salvia or dmt for recreation I wonder how empty and confusing their experience must be. There is a spirit behind each sacred plant, and it remains silent to those who disrespect it.

I think those people that understand how to connect with nature and use meditation to control their trip have a more profound experience.

 

[Intezam]

..is good that you are here :thumb_up:

 

[Mustelid]

Welcome to the Nexus Harmoniics. I think you have something there with respect of the plant, or just respect in general, which seems to be a dwindling human resource sadly.

 

[Bdevall158]

Welcome Harmoniics, what a great story :thumb_up: glad to have you here on the nexus.

When i hear about kids that take the mushroom, or salvia or dmt for recreation I wonder how empty and confusing their experience must be. There is a spirit behind each sacred plant, and it remains silent to those who disrespect it.

I completly agree with you, as sadly most of my friends are this way. Some will eat 10, 20, or sometimes even 30 doses of LSD, some eat 5+ to 7+ grams of mushrooms, and none of them ever come back with anything more than "Man I was trippin nutz" :thumb_dow

 

[Synergeon]

Welcome!

I want to thank you for the link to tetryonic theory, it sounds really paradigm-shifting.

 

[harmoniics]

thanks guys for the warm welcome. I don't usually talk about my experiences... but I had to write something and the truth came tumbling out.

I do have strong feelings about the way natural psychedelics are used and misused. I've seen a lot of people hurt themselves and become lost. A couple of times I've tried taking a friend into a 'shared vision' in the attempt to open their minds to a deeper experience. Even when I did succeed they couldn't understand what they saw & everything became about their own demons. I think shamanism 101 is about dealing with your own sh*t first before you can proceed further in the trance.

There is a shamanic initiation ritual that involves taking ayahuasca in the amazon jungle. The initiate fashions a 'magical staff' out of wood and takes it with them into the dream world where they wander for days looking for their demon. (Oddly the demon is often described as a reptilian creature that walks upright like a man). It is said that if they touch the demon with their staff then it is conquered and they become a shaman. If they fail they never come out of the trip and become crazy.

Guess that's one way to do it.

 

[harmoniics]

I want to thank you for the link to tetryonic theory, it sounds really paradigm-shifting.

yeah it is.. describing at a quantum particle as a tetrahedron in structure explains a lot about particle spin and magnetic fields.

however a lot of his work is about explaining why the math works and i fear he gets stuck in the past. i would prefer that he would stop explaining old math, and progress to applying his theories primarily to quantum physics.. which is where it really belongs (in my opinion).

 

[Intezam]

..that is one way of doing it (but not the only one), but you are right, it often doesn't work talking people into for-what-they-are-not-ready-yet---or-being-called. Intezam was only 'called' after we did quit on *cannabis (something that we loved dearly), anyway we took/continue to take the self initiation route....since there are no shamans in our jungle.

*no offence (we still love you)

 

[3rdI]

welcome to the Nexus, harmoniics, its good to have you:thumb_up:

as Intezam said, dont fall into the trap of thinking that your use/way of use is supperior to anyone elses.
I dont approach the Magic in a spiritual way, i am an explorer of the mystery, and i approach it in that manner, sometimes its serious buisness but sometimes i like to sit in a field and watch trees bend in half, just for the fun of it, this is neither confusing nor empty.

i could just as easily dismiss your use as airy fairy hippy nonsense since it is different to mine, but i wouldnt as it would be silly to think one safe responsible method is better than another.

anyway, would you mind elaborating on what happened during your trip? i am very interested in the increase in your understanding of physics and maths, how did this manifest after the experience had finished? has it persisted? has anyone else comented on this increase in tyour understanding?

again, welcome

 

[Synergeon]

What I'm going to post is a little off-topic, but as a new user I can't send PM and I would like to ask you a thing.

I'm reading the tetryonic pdf about quantum mechanics and in the first pages it says that bosons have odd number quanta while photons have even number quanta. Unfortunatly, according to wikipedia, photons are bosons.
I don't want to judge the theory already of course, I know nothing about it nor about "classic" quantum mechanics, I just would like to know what have you to say about. Maybe tetryonics later will show me that photons indeed are not bosons, and I could be totally fine with this view.

 

[harmoniics]

welcome to the Nexus, harmoniics, its good to have you:thumb_up:

as Intezam said, dont fall into the trap of thinking that your use/way of use is supperior to anyone elses.
I dont approach the Magic in a spiritual way, i am an explorer of the mystery, and i approach it in that manner, sometimes its serious buisness but sometimes i like to sit in a field and watch trees bend in half, just for the fun of it, this is neither confusing nor empty.

i could just as easily dismiss your use as airy fairy hippy nonsense since it is different to mine, but i wouldnt as it would be silly to think one safe responsible method is better than another.

anyway, would you mind elaborating on what happened during your trip? i am very interested in the increase in your understanding of physics and maths, how did this manifest after the experience had finished? has it persisted? has anyone else comented on this increase in tyour understanding?

again, welcome

hmm i think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.. but that's ok. to me the psychedelic community branches out into two schools of thought. loosely described as the Terance McKenna's and the Timothy Leary's types. I specifically spoke about 'natural' psychedelics for a reason because I'm the McKenna type, I think about the social, spiritual and anthropological history. I'm talking about plants that have been traditionally used for spiritual purposes for hundreds/thousands of years. I'm not talking about acid, or other synthetic chemicals that may be more suited to recreational use. And if you lean towards the Leary school of thought.. that's ok. These ideas are not diametrically opposed.. we can co-exist.

 

[harmoniics]

What I'm going to post is a little off-topic, but as a new user I can't send PM and I would like to ask you a thing.

I'm reading the tetryonic pdf about quantum mechanics and in the first pages it says that bosons have odd number quanta while photons have even number quanta. Unfortunatly, according to wikipedia, photons are bosons.
I don't want to judge the theory already of course, I know nothing about it nor about "classic" quantum mechanics, I just would like to know what have you to say about. Maybe tetryonics later will show me that photons indeed are not bosons, and I could be totally fine with this view.

What is a Higgs boson:

A talk about photons and bosons

Above is a link that might help explain higgs boson theory. You know, these quantum mechanic theories are not set in stone, they are ideas that are constantly changing as we discover more about sub atomic particles. This particular mathematician is really open to answering questions about his work, but it's probably best to read up on the subject first before approaching him.

hope that helps

 

[3rdI]

hmm i think you misunderstood what I was trying to say.. but that's ok.

I apologise if i was wrong but it seemed that you were saying that the spiritual use of these plants was more valid than other uses and this is what i disagree with, i think all responsable use is equal.

i also didnt mean sythetics or things like acid. DMT, shrooms and pharma/Aya are the substances i use both exploratorily and recreationally.
I think that just because they have been used a certain way for a long time doesnt mean that that way is the only/best way to interact with them.
I think that people sat in a house in the west trying to recreate what happens in the jungle is a little odd since there is zero cultural context, i think its more important to develop our own use patterns.

I dont really know anything about Leary, whats the differences in there approach? I had always viewed TMK as an explorer more than a spiritualist.

 

[harmoniics]

dear me.. you don't have to apologise. the worst thing you could do is bore me and that hasn't happened, so it's all good.

 

[3rdI]

well good, i have found some people can get pretty touchy about the use of Magic so i find a softly approach is useful.

anyway can you expand on the increase in comprehension of maths and physics? did you manage to finish some problems you had previously failed on or was it just a feeling that you understood more?

cheers