Need help with design idea's

[floatei]

Let me start off by saying HeLlOOOOOOoooo to everyone! These days work has taken me away from home for half of the week and has given me the opportunity soak my mixture for multiple days without getting the shakes of anticipation like I usually do. So with all of my free time I have been thinking of ways to make my acrb (cybs tek) extractions get the best possible yield by soaking it for a few straight days. It works very well but I started thinking about ways to mix the mix while I was gone and I put together a little 12v motor and a timer so it will kick on for X amount of time every day and mix my soup.

But I have run into a problem. What do I use to mix it with? Because whatever I use will be exposed to Lye and possibly even Naphtha. I mean completely submerged for at least 4 days. I'm worried about something being exposed for that long could possibly break it down and into my mix :shock: :x I was thinking of a wooden spoon but I really want to use some kind of metal so I can make the shape of it myself. Possibly a whisk? I don't know??>?> What kind of metals do not break down in lye/nap?

Thanks for your input and once I get this puppy on the road I will post a "tek" for anyone who is curious.

My second idea was a way of evaping WHILE freezing. This idea would only work with certain freezers of course but roughly I was looking into a way of hooking up some 12v fans so that after a day of hard freezing I could leave my pulls in the freezer while evaping so I could get more goodies without worrying about loosing any to the summer heat. Theres a lot of ways I've thought of to keep the cold in without drilling into the freezer or harming it in any way so that's not what I'm really worried about its more or less is this worth it?

:lol: Love:grin: :lol:

 

[null24]

I just wanna let you know I think that's brilliant. I don't know if it would help increase yield, but that's the name o the game -Experimentation.
So obv the motor is suspended above. Hmmm maybe do spme searches involving the susceptibility of different metals to caustic solutions as long as you know what your working with.
Do you know a glass blower? He he you could make a cool -lab -grade stirrer.

 

[anrchy]

Stainless steel

If I understand correctly you want to place fans inside your freezer to increase evaporization? The thing is airflow without air exchange won't increase evap. Your freezer itself has a fan that blows colder air and circulates the air. Some people leave the lid off during freeze precip but I personally haven't heard of anyone commenting that they had increased crash out this way.

So in short I don't think blowing the air around inside your freezer is going to accomplish anything but that's just my understanding.

 

[hixidom]

In terms of the motor idea, I think the easiest way to intermittently store your mixture would be to find a plug-in timer like this one. You plug the timer into the wall and plug a device into the timer. You can set the timer so that the device is powered for at various times during the day.

What would you plug into such a timer? Well, you could perhaps find something used at a thrift store that would work, like a dremel tool, food mixer, or anything with a motor really. You could find a nice big container like a pickle jar (that's what I use but it is perhaps not big enough for your project). Cut a hole in the lid and mount your device somehow, much like what was done for this project.

I think that any metal that oxidizes will dissolve in lye, so aluminum, iron, steel, copper, zinc, etc. will not work. You would have to make your mixing rod out of glass or the right type of plastic unless you don't mind metal oxides in your freebase (they wouldn't vaporize with the DMT, but they would definitely throw off your weight measurements if you do plan on using a mg scale). (EDIT: stainless steel words too. )

I personally don't think that mixing it, while it sits for a few days, will make that big of a difference, but I'm sure others have more experience with the efficacy of such techniques.

Regarding the freezer evaporation, blowing air over liquids only works if it takes vapors away from the system. If the inside of a freezer is too humid, then circulating the humid air won't do anything. It would perhaps be more effective to somehow put a dehumidifier in your freezer (assuming that the air circulation within a freezer does not already have a dehumidifying effect).

 

[floatei]

I just wanna let you know I think that's brilliant. I don't know if it would help increase yield, but that's the name o the game -Experimentation.

Thank you! I'm not too sure yet either but I think its worth it

If I understand correctly you want to place fans inside your freezer to increase evaporization? The thing is airflow without air exchange won't increase evap.

The fan wolnt be inside it will be on the outside. The air flow will be all from outside air.

As far as the mixer I have all the parts and ideas down my holdup is what to make it out of. I think im going to try glass but I need a trip to goodwill and maybe that will help.

My ideas are that constant agitation of the bark will help break the walls down and doing it over a few days over and over and over will beat the bark to death releasing all the beauty within:twisted:

PS. can someone please tell me how to add quotes with a persons username in it, mine are just empty

 

[anrchy]

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How are you going to cool the air going into the sealed container?

I guess if you had the other duct inside the freezer but then you would also be pumping cold air out of the freezer which would lower temps and cause the freezer to work too hard eventually ruining it.

Maybe look into peltier chips. Spelling?

 

[floatei]

The pipe is going to be duct for dryer vent so the pipe will be "submerged" in the freezer for about 1.5-2 foot, and that should help cool the duct as well as transfer the cold into the air being pulled in. If that doesn't work I'll just coil some of that duct around in the freezer to help chill it out.

The whole idea is to just have the air flowing through the dish. Both vents will be on the outside of the freezer. One will have a fan pulling the air out and the other will just be an open duct. OR I might just have a fan pushing air in to the dish and a vent so the air can escape.

thank you thank you thank you

 

[anrchy]

The pipe is going to be duct for dryer vent so the pipe will be "submerged" in the freezer for about 1.5-2 foot, and that should help cool the duct as well as transfer the cold into the air being pulled in. If that doesn't work I'll just coil some of that duct around in the freezer to help chill it out.

The whole idea is to just have the air flowing through the dish. Both vents will be on the outside of the freezer. One will have a fan pulling the air out and the other will just be an open duct. OR I might just have a fan pushing air in to the dish and a vent so the air can escape.

thank you thank you thank you

What I would do is size down the piping. You won't need a large hose, maybe more like copper tubing, although I would use something different that wont be effected by the solvent.

The air flow doesn't need to be tornado speeds. If you used a smaller tubing you would be able to effectively cool the inlet airflow by being able to coil more tubing inside the freezer. Also much easier to rig the freezer to close with small tubing going in and out. Also use some sort of clean filter for air inlet.

Not to be pessimistic but IMO the work involved to do this compared to just evaping before freeze precip wouldn't be worth it. Especially since solvents evap slower when cold and faster when warm.

 

[floatei]

I like that idea of a copper tube for the inlet. Ill adapt that into my design. What I'm trying to get is something that you can just dump all of your pulls into without prior evap and let it slowly evap under cold temps, kinda pushing whatever is left into the tray as it evaps in cold conditions.

Maybe this is just something I would get use out of but I feel like giving it a shot because who knows until someone tries it.

But it could be overboard too lol, I'm known for doing things the harder way just so I can satisfy my hunches.

 

[anrchy]

well keep us updated with the progress

 

[InMotion]

Okay here's some potential problems. Most electric fans have motors which spark. Just because fumes are cold doesn't mean there isn't a risk of spark causing a fire. Also evaporation while in a freezer is going to be pretty slow. Also refrigerators have air compressors which spark, bad for volatile solvents. Also by doing this you will be wasting a lot of energy by moving cold air out of your freezer to the environment, this kind of strain can also burn out air compressors. An emmersion chiller would be more appropriate or removing the solvent via vacuum.

Loosing goodies to summer heat? Got any information as to how thermally unstable DMT is? Last I checked it was pretty stable. Light is a different concern altogether. If anything cooling naptha while adding more air(more air required to evaporate solvent at lower temperatures see ''vapor pressure''...) would be worse from an oxidation standpoint.

I see absolutely no reason for investing in this at all. In no way is it more efficient or practical then using a more legitimate technique.

Essentially what you want is an over-head stirrer. This could be made from some type of slow speed blender, or drill-press. Believe it or not there are teflon stirrer assemblies for pretty cheap widely available. Automation is up to you, there are many instances of DIY over-head stirrers. Again these motors tend to spark a bit depending on how you go, so it's a good idea for an air-tight seal from the vessel and the stirring assembly.

Essentially my take is why invest 20 hours of labor(if you can make it work) and 100$+ to get 0.1% better yield?

 

[floatei]

Okay then... I think my auto stirrer survived that examination. The freezer idea will not cost me more then 20 bucks and if it takes me 20 hours of labor:shock: :shock: I appreciate your input about these things and see the potential risks in using a fan. The fans I have I will check to see if a spark is created but as far as I have ever seen they don't really draw enough current to spark. BUT I will check it for sure!

I will keep this updated once I begin working on it but money is a little too tight right now

 

[Mr.Peabody]

The best way to make sure you get everything out of your solvent is drying it. I doubt much is lost from evaporating at room temperature, but if you're still insistent on cooling it, I would think a small cooler with some ice packs under your drying tray would keep everything quite cool.

As for stirring your solvent, it will likely make it harder for crystals to form. A river in winter builds up much less ice than a lake. The flowing water breaks up the ice crystals.

Another thing to keep in mind is that you'll only lose so much from not evaporating. Say you salt out, or freeze precip your stuff. You'll likely have a certain amount left behind in the solvent. If you reuse that solvent, you won't lose that same amount. You lose it once, it stays in there, so you won't keep losing that amount added up over each pull. When you're done, you can evaporate your solvent and reclaim the part that was left behind.

 

[floatei]

Thank you guys for your valuable input. I think my problem was more of a lack of understanding all this since I am still a rookie. Upon further consideration I think I will wait until I have a better grasp on things before I start one of these (if I ever do).

Sorry for starting a useless thread but I have alot of time to think and my brain is always working on things to try and improve on or design to make things easier or cooler. Its what passes the time

Love you guys!

Ps. should I delete this thread? I dont want it taking up space for no reason

 

[InMotion]

I appreciate your willingness to think and try to create something. It's refreshing to see people take an interest in their extraction process and especially with automation! However, like said before this probably isn't the best way to go about it. Continue tinkering . No need to delete this thread unless you really want too.

 

[floatei]

ThX InMotion I'll keep the brain working and maybe someday find a way to contribute to the nexus.

ROck ON friends8)

 

[Mr.Peabody]

You may have been a little over ambitious with some of you ideas here, but don't let that deter you. The best way to learn is by doing. Start simple, and work from there. Write down ideas as you go no matter how crazy, so maybe one day you'll find a scrap of paper lying around with gold written on it.

 

[floatei]

Theres alot of truth in that my friend. I have a nice journal started and I occasionly go to it and see some great things as well as total turds lol. But I love doing this kind of stuff and I'm sure Ill do some form of this over time just for S&G's.

Thanks for the support

 

[MusicTurtle]

That sounds interesting. Can waith to read more info. I agree, the mixer will most likely need to be glass. I think I want to look into that part of the experiment myself and may run some of my own experiments. I was also thinking a totter or tipper to flip my jars every 10 or so mins to mix, wouldnt be as efficient I think, but possibly easier. I am not sure, keep me updated though.